It just goes to show that there are still no. of people in this country who are being ignorant on the way other countries live.

Those people who felt disgusted on what they saw Jamie was doing is nothing more than a simple culture shock. What you people have to understand is that this is what their way of life is like, it's their culture. Some countries do not have the luxury of ready made meals they can buy from shops because economically & culturally speaking is an impossibility. For them to survive is to become self sufficient, yes even in the 21st century, and beside of which is also their means of livelihood.

Jamie is on a mission on this show to explore Italian food, how they're made & where they come from, and Jamie being Jamie he's always been very hands-on and never afraid to get stuck in anything for the experience of it. It's not as if he was enjoying it but he felt it something he needed to do as it's relevant to what he does for a living.

So please don't make such a drama out of this or you'll only be laughed out for being ignorant by people from different countries kill chickens, pigs, goats, sheeps, etc for their meal, & who might even think that we're such a bunch wooze!

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Originally posted by sunnyspell:

by people from different countries who (*edit)kill chickens, pigs, goats, sheeps, etc for their meal, & who might even think that we're such a bunch wooze!

Just added the word "who" as I can't seem to use the edit function.

Wondered if there would be an outcry over the deer shooting?

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Originally posted by ****Rosie-Crucian****:
Wondered if there would be an outcry over the deer shooting?

Don't see why when 100's a year are killed in the forest near me, run over by idiot speeding drivers. There is a warning sign (someone has drawn a willy on the deer pic) and a speed restriction but I bet noone gets to eat them either.

I want to draw willies on deers.

Real ones or pictures of them?

I find the hypocrsiy of some of the meat eaters on this thread astounding.

I'm sorry if you were under the misguided illusion that meat actually grows in little cling film wrapped polystyrene trays on trees and Jamie ruined that for you ... he killed a sheep. OK, he hadn't done it before but someone who had done it a hundred times was present in case Jamie bottled it or anything went wrong.

Meat comes from living, breathing animals. But I can assure you whole heartedly that the sheep Jamie killed would have led a happy, chilled, stress free life where is was free to roam and graze to its heart content and wouldn't have had too much of clue of its imminent death.
I'm not saying it was a nice thing to watch, it made me cry, but to brand Jamie a villain is ridiculous.
If anything chefs like Mr Oliver, Hugh F-W and Mr Ramsey are actually trying to make people THINK MORE about where their food comes from. To think more about the conditions the animal has lived in and how it has been treated and raised.
I'm a chef. All the meat I buy, for work and home, in fact all the food I buy is organic and from local farms.
OK, it's not cheap but if you want to spend £3.99 on a chicken that has been force fed protien enhanced foods and anti-biotics, been forced into cramped conditions with barely any room to move and been forced to walk around in so much of its (and approx. 25,000 others chickens) crap that it has BURNS on its feet and legs to save a few quid as opposed to spending £10 on a free range, organic, happy and HEALTHY chicken from a local farm supplier then I hardly think you have grounds for an arguement.

If you can't deal with where meat comes from - and you will not/are not able to support local suppliers so that the poor treatment of animals for food STOPS the solution is simple -

don't eat meat.


Become a vegetarian or even a vegan. Because I'm sure if we got started on the mistreatment and cruelty of dairy cattle a lot of you would go off the milk your pour in your tea and on your cornflakes .....

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Originally posted by tiggsey:
Real ones or pictures of them?

I would start with pictures, then do real ones.

Totally agree with you moonstone, couldn't have said it better myself!

Sorry, but being Italian and having read some of the comments about my country I have to put something straight.

I come from the Italian countryside and a Region not far from the one where Jamie shot that episode.

What you have seen has nothing to do with culture or economical impossibility or fight for survival.
What you have seen is the way real humans live real life.
Yes of course I know that people living in London or Rome or Manchester or Milan or Birmingham or Florence think that meat grows on threes but if you go in the British countryside to visit family run farms you will find exactly the same way of life.
And It has nothing to do with culture or economical means, THAT IS HOW NORMAL PEOPLE LIVE ALL OVER THE WORLD SINCE EVER!
If I had the fortune of running my own farm I would never buy that cr@p sold in supermarket, and yes I would kill my own animals to feed myself.
Shocked by the way the lamb was killed? Do not be hypocrite, you perfectly know that mad cow desease and dangerous chiken meat are the result of the unnatural feeding and breeding of those animal. What is there so civilised in feeding anymals with carcasses of other animals? Or in killing them in slaughtering plants? You think they can't smell the death? You obviously have never been in one of those.
It is incredible how just in few generations we managed to hide the reality so that we do not have to face the truth.
Jamie has gained my deep respect because he proved he is not a fake like some of his collegue who make a cooking completely made up from their fantasy without any touch with reality.
I can understand the point of view of vegetarians but that is the only honest point of view, anything else is hypocrisy

Ok you cant of been much of a fan if him just killing a sheep that was going to be eaten anyway made you leave him forever...jamie oliver is a living legend and is a major role model for me (only 17 today) the fact is that he didnt want to kill the sheep but he did i because he realizes that meat doesnt come prewrapped and killed from space it at one point had to be a living animal and he enfisised the fact that the life of the animal is MUCH more important than its death

I dont want to become a chef thats not why hes my role model its just him as a person by the way

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Originally posted by Ciociaro:
Sorry, but being Italian and having read some of the comments about my country I have to put something straight.

I come from the Italian countryside and a Region not far from the one where Jamie shot that episode.

What you have seen has nothing to do with culture or economical impossibility or fight for survival.
What you have seen is the way real humans live real life.
Yes of course I know that people living in London or Rome or Manchester or Milan or Birmingham or Florence think that meat grows on threes but if you go in the British countryside to visit family run farms you will find exactly the same way of life.
And It has nothing to do with culture or economical means, THAT IS HOW NORMAL PEOPLE LIVE ALL OVER THE WORLD SINCE EVER!
If I had the fortune of running my own farm I would never buy that cr@p sold in supermarket, and yes I would kill my own animals to feed myself.
Shocked by the way the lamb was killed? Do not be hypocrite, you perfectly know that mad cow desease and dangerous chiken meat are the result of the unnatural feeding and breeding of those animal. What is there so civilised in feeding anymals with carcasses of other animals? Or in killing them in slaughtering plants? You think they can't smell the death? You obviously have never been in one of those.
It is incredible how just in few generations we managed to hide the reality so that we do not have to face the truth.
Jamie has gained my deep respect because he proved he is not a fake like some of his collegue who make a cooking completely made up from their fantasy without any touch with reality.
I can understand the point of view of vegetarians but that is the only honest point of view, anything else is hypocrisy

I don't know why you're so defensive against my points of view when I'm also with Jamie all the way.

I have to say however that your claim that it's nothing to do with culture or economic factors is incorrect. Perhaps not so much where you came from but certainly in countries like Africa and Asia in which killing animals for their meal is their way of life meaning it's part of their culture, economics also dictates on how other countries live. Other countries certainly have no option but to grow their own food & rear animals because it's the only way for them to provide food for their family & themselves.

So however you want to put it it still comes down to culture and economics.

Am I the only one who is sick and tired of Jamie, Ramsey & co patronising us? We know where meat comes from. We are not thick and stupid. I just wish they would stop stating the bloody obvious.

Moonstone - just agreed with something you said on the YAWYE thread, but have to agree again with what you say here.

And Ciociaro you are absolutley right this is real life. This sort of thing happens every single day in every single country around the world, and well done for Jamie for highlighting this.

Some of you also made comments that Jamie is 'just' a celebrity chef. He may be on the telly a lot, however he trained for years under some very important people and I think that calling him 'just' a celebrity chef is very unfair.

Yeah, well you would.

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Originally posted by glitterball:
Am I the only one who is sick and tired of Jamie, Ramsey & co patronising us? We know where meat comes from. We are not thick and stupid. I just wish they would stop stating the bloody obvious.

Yes we all know where meat comes from, it's how it lives before it is killed that is the issue! And it's that that isn't acceptable to me so neither me or my family eat it. Meat is only produed in the way it is because it is CHEAP and that's all they care about.

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Originally posted by glitterball:
Yeah, well you would.

dya no what I think you are sooooooo kewl and I wish In was yur best frend and I would follow you around all day cos you r fab an I think that what u say is ded kewl and wish I was living in yur house. cos you know all about been a chef and everything.

i dont think people actually do realise where their joint of meat or sausage comes from

or what conditions the animal has been kept in

how do you think that we can get a massive chicken for £4 or similar for very little money

and what they put in a basic cheap sausage is appalling

unfortunately affording the £10 free range organic corn fed chicken is also out for many of us too

maybe sourcing out decent local produce should be the answer and sting the supermarkets who produce this cr@p where it hurts

I'm a vegetarian and I totally respect what Jamie did here. As he said, if it offends you, then don't eat it. I found it difficult to watch - sad - which I think is a normal response, but at least I'm not tucking into lamb on a regular basis! My family are all meat-eaters, including the children and I am always careful to let them know that their meat came from a real, living thing. Get real.

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Originally posted by kathleen:
i was one of Jamie's fondest fans, on the subject of killing the lamb to eat. I was absolutely devastated that he could do such a horrendous crime to a defenceless creature. I wil never watch or listen to any of his appearences on screen or otherwise.

DISGUSTED EX FAN

please action brain before speaking!

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Originally posted by olivier:


unfortunately affording the £10 free range organic corn fed chicken is also out for many of us too

True, free range meat is more expensive, but no more than karting the family off to Mc D's or ordering in a takeaway.

Dont forget you can get also two meals out of a large free range chicken - the meat is normally so tasty that a little goes a long way.

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Originally posted by Adalgisa:

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Originally posted by olivier:


unfortunately affording the £10 free range organic corn fed chicken is also out for many of us too

True, free range meat is more expensive, but no more than karting the family off to Mc D's or ordering in a takeaway.

Dont forget you can get also two meals out of a large free range chicken - the meat is normally so tasty that a little goes a long way.

3 if you can be bothered to make some soup, nourishing for a family.

TC Better than cabbage proot!

don't mention salt it can set off the lynch mob.