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My daughter starts school september and the school meals now are atrocious im putting her on pack lunches so are a lot of other mothers.
We eat healthily however im very dissapointed at the lack of choice plus they are suppose to be healthy yet still full of E's .My daughter cannot eat any of it !! so much for Jamie oliver !!!- never mind his codswallop made him a millionaire !
 
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Mr Oliver made valid points about school dinners,& the fact that prisoners/people held in custody get better food than our young people. At the end of the day,he is one man & has made big changes to a few schools. My sons school has good school dinners for years,but the school pays into the scheme from school funds (school funds are partly raised by parents & partly given as donations ).Parents still pay for school dinners per week. The school also provides squash & fruit in the afternoons.
My other son attends a school that has decided to skip dinner altogether (school day is 8.30 to 2.00pm with two 15 min breaks)!
Parents need to become actively involved with their schools & I don't mean one parent or two..I mean MOST parents. Guess which school has full parent support?!
 
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I don't think Jamie was talking "codswallop", he has brought to light a subject that most parents of school age children have known for ages... We just didn't have the power to make anyone listen!
Well done Jamie and thank you!
 
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You do have the power to make people listen. Boycott bad meals!

Don't fall into some stupid trap in thinking that the school catering firm has a contract running until the end of time. There is some "escape route" in that if there is insufficient take-up then the contract can be changed or terminated.

Jamie may have publicised the issue but the real power still lies in the hands of parents.

One final point. If your kid is entitled to free meals, then it is not compulsory that they sign up for them.
 
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write to the school, and say you want better school meals, also get parents that you know to write to the school


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My daughter starts school september and the school meals now are atrocious im putting her on pack lunches so are a lot of other mothers.
We eat healthily however im very dissapointed at the lack of choice plus they are suppose to be healthy yet still full of E's .My daughter cannot eat any of it !! so much for Jamie oliver !!!- never mind his codswallop made him a millionaire !


Its not Jamie Oliver thats the problem here its your childs school. JO did more than anyone to bring the state of school lunches to the limelight and has done a lot of good in a lot of schools. But without the appropriate government backing what can he do fund the meals himself, put the kitchens back into schools. Jamies Dinners nor 15 made JO a millionaire, he put everything on the line to do both without making money out of it.

Instead of sitting there complaining about JO do something about it. You can take your child home for lunch, supply your own lunch i wasn't sure of your meaning about packed lunches that they were full of E's????? surely that is your choice to put in the lunchbox, my children have no e's whatsoever. My oldest started school this term and luckily enough the school meals are healthy and in that respect i am lucky they got in new caterers before he started. But i had him down as either coming home or packed lunch right up until he had actually started until i found out the menu.

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If everyone is so convinced this is a good move can they answer these questions:
1. Why, on the 4 days a week we don't do chips, burgers or other unhealthy food, are the numbers for school meals going down week on week?
2. Why, on a Friday when we do serve these foodstuffs, are the numbers going up week on week?
3. Why are the most vocal parental supporters of Jamie at our school the ones who have stopped sending their children for school meals Mon-Thurs, but ALWAYS send them on a Friday?
4. Why will it take the Government a year to get these unhealthy foods out of schools? All our ordering is JIT and I suspect is in most schools.

All of us in our kitchen agree that it is a good move to go back to more 'old fashioned' meals, e.g meat and two veg. But if parents don't support the move in anything other than words then school meals will eventually disappear and packed lunches will be the only option.


Sadly i am inclined to agree with you, it is all to do with support from parents as well. I can't understand why it will take a year to get the rubbish out of school meals. My son has school meals 5 days a week, and as you mentioned chips is on the menu one day a week, but my son doesn't choose chips he goes for roast potatoes (they are his favourite).

I think its a disgrace what parents put in children's lunch boxes. My children's lunch at home is the same as what i would pack in a lunchbox. i.e., brown bread sandwiches, raisons, cucumber, strawberries, apple, banana and they love it.

I cook from scratch every night, not feeding your children healthy food is a disgrace with NO exceptions


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Im not a parent (i should think not at 16!) and have seen (but very rarely had) school dinners.
I think that smaller children are harder to please so there isnt really an option to give them healthy food...as most wont eat it, and its teh schools responsibility to make sure the kids are fed and watered.
However, older 'children' (11-16) start to realise that some foods are bad for them so would choose the healthy option. Im my 2ndry school we had one side with 'junk food' and one side with salad, pasta, couscous, sandwiches, water, fruit etc and after a while people didnt really WANT to eat the junk stuff.
I think that if healthy food was just as cheap or cheaper and just as filling as the other fatty foods, people would eat it a lot more. They should also teach in schools how healthy food affects u, what u can make with it etc and get kids interested in it in general.
Also, if kids get junk food at home then there is no way people can expect them to change their eating habbits at school. its teh parents responsibility.
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EPIDEMICS IN THE MAKING

A Medical Practitioner’s View of Educational and Domestic Duties, and their effect on the Health and Prosperity of the Nation.

We are witnessing an “epidemic in the making”, with regard to nutrition.
The explosive increase in childhood and adult obesity, and adult diabetes is completely out of control and almost 100% due to failure of the education system.
This is not the fault of schools, but the fault of education authorities and the penny pinching of successive post world war 2 governments, of either party.

The failure of education of the 1970’s has led to a failure of parenting skills and which also denied the same “home based” educational needs, to today’s children.
We cannot blame children for choosing junk food, when that is all that they have ever experienced.
Schools cannot afford to waste their limited financial resources on food that does not get selected and eaten by the pupils.

Jamie Oliver is right, there should not be any choice, but healthy foods on school dinner menus. There was no junk food when I was at school in the 1950’s and 1960’s. It was all freshly prepared from raw materials.

The use of refined sugar is the administration of future diabetic disaster. The use of any sugar and the excessive use of foods containing high flour, or starch content is also a delayed action time bomb. Pastry, Pies, Pasties, Potato, even Pasta in larger portions, and Rice all contain far too much carbohydrate, unless the portions are kept small.
The low fat meals that are recommended to “be good to yourself” or “healthy options” etc, have simply replaced the high calorie fat content with an excess of carbohydrate.
This is just as bad as the meals they replaced.

The problem is that protein rich foods are always more expensive.
Potato, Bread, Flour and Fat rich products should always be used sparingly in our diets. Green vegetables and Proteins should make up the bulk of our food.
Dinner plates should be replaced with Side plates to restrict the portions to avoid food overload and obesity.
Teaching of cookery in schools does not need Chefs, or teachers, it simply needs a patient well motivated good home cook! Even dinner ladies could be used to teach boys as well as girls, how to prepare inexpensive wholesome home meals.

Another Epidemic in the making is Impecunity/Insolvency

At home, the lack of budgeting skills of parents, have led to the increased use of convenience and fast foods, because they are quick and mindlessly easy to dish up, but the cost is never considered by parents, who have never learnt to budget their incomes. This also has a bad effect on the affordability of their foods.
These families often end up in serious debt, often made worse by the banks encouraging them to borrow on credit cards and make purchases on payment by instalments. Some of these people should never hold credit cards. It is as dangerous as asking an alcoholic to hold an already opened bottle of whisky.

Budgeting really only requires the most basic of numeracy skills of addition and subtraction and nothing more.
Balancing outgoings to match income is all that is necessary, and to nearly everyone it is easy, but it is arithmetic exercise that is seldom, if ever, taught at schools.
Oh, they teach algebra and geometry, (none of which I have ever used in my entire working life!)

Nobody ever showed me how to match my outgoings to my income. I had to learn it for myself, in my postgraduate employment years.
Children don’t realise that they can use simple arithmetic to plan their spending.
To them, it is just more boring classwork or homework.

They should be sent out in groups to supermarkets and price up a shopping list, then return to the classroom to see what non-essential cuts they could make, to fit their prospective purchases to their “virtual” money they have been allocated.
To be able to do arithmetic, is not enough.
Children need to be shown why it is needed, what it can be used for and given plenty of practice at doing it.

In the affluent cultures of the United Kingdom and probably the USA too, poverty is caused through ignorance. Nobody needs to be poor in these societies, but education has failed them, because they do not know how to “make ends meet”.

We MUST teach our children, and some parents, how to cook and how to “make ends meet”. We should welcome parents into classrooms where they too, can probably learn new skills alongside their children. We adults are never too old to learn.

Let’s make the current generation the last of the domestically ignorant and the first of the competent parents of future generations


Everyone male and female needs to be taught at school, to prepare food from fresh materials, from the very earliest age through to school leaving age. They also need to learn to budget.
 
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Totally agree with you! At last someone who can see past the fog thrown up around this issue. Are you sure you are only 16? You've got an extremely sensible head. Smile Cool Big Grin


y thanks! yeh i am. i think im so 'up to date' wiv food coz i wanna b a nutritional therapist...BUT ENOUGH ABOUT ME!
 
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lol jamie oliver came to my brothers school the only thing he took of the dinners list tho was turkey twizzlers! personally i love them tho!


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My daughter starts school september and the school meals now are atrocious im putting her on pack lunches so are a lot of other mothers.
We eat healthily however im very dissapointed at the lack of choice plus they are suppose to be healthy yet still full of E's .My daughter cannot eat any of it !! so much for Jamie oliver !!!- never mind his codswallop made him a millionaire !


have you tried to speak to the school about the meals


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as a 16 year old student at school, i definitly feel there is a complete lack of healthy foods and feel that as students we are getting deprived of basic nutrition. The only healthy options we are given is a basic salad with no dressing at all and sandwitches with little selection of fillings. We are taught so many things in school yet we are failed to be taught about the benefits of healthy eating; children my age literally do not care that having pizza/chips/nuggets/chicken burger everyday is poisining their body because they are not aware of the dangers. Even the few of us that enjoy various foods are forced to eat junk because the "healthy" options (which are awful in themselves) are minimal and pretty much flavourless and disgusting. WE NEED A CHANGE! no wonder kids only pick the pizza and chips..weve been brought up to accept that and thats the only choices we have!


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On the whole one has to change the mentality of the citizens. Twenty years ago, when I started teaching in English schools I was appalled by the meal and the fact there was no chef but hardly trained cooks. My first meal has unsalted roasted peanuts with a vegetarian cornish pastry. When I gave my son some cherries with his pack lunch he was nearlly bullied : they found him ridiculous.
I stopped complaining about the school meal because it made me the laughing stock of my colleagues,especially due to the fact I was French. One example broke my heart. A 13 year old boy was achieving nothing but was not bad at French. The heads of Dpt had a meeting and wondered why the boy was so bad (work and behaviour) with such a high IQ. As I got on well with him, I had a chat. He distributed the paper at 6 a m, had a Mars bar at 11 and spent his lunch money at the ice-cream van. In the evening he had tea and toasts: ALL HIS LIFE!
He was OK in my class because I had him just after the Mars bar (!)He was sleeping in the other lessons before 11 and misbehaved in the afternoon. Then, when I tried to explain the situation, I was teased for months onwards. "Typically of French! That's all they think about!" Maybe so. In England you would not buy an old rotten car and you keep checking yours. In France we drive coffins but we spend money on good food. The problem is to change people in both countries. Your children's food is their life and performance. You would not put ordinary petrol in a Rolls Royce. Your child is better than a Rolls Royce.
 
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jamie has done good!

my daughters school meals are provided by 'scholarest', the suppliers jamie ripped to shreds in one of his programmes.
as shown the meals were appalling, resulting in my daughter taking packed lunches to school.

since the programme things have vastly improved. the vegetables are prepared and cooked from fresh, no salt is used, a vegetarian option is offered and chips are off the menu altogether.
the downside is, the price of meals have gone up but it's worth it for her to be able to have hot school meals.


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I want to applaud what Jamie has done in encouraging school dinners to be a lot more healthy.
I have definitely seen an improvement in the menu at my son's school.My son is not allowed to bring in any unhealthy snacks. Healthy biscuits are sold at his school during morning break.


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in my school there is always a way round healthy eating Ninja
 
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Please don't believe that the rubbish meals you saw served up in the school he featured were representative of every school. They definitely weren't, by any means, and a lot of school meals are far, far better than anything he showed.


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healthy school dinners, what about lunchboxes
i am a dinnerlady with my own healthy menus in place before JO got involved parents seen away round healthy homecooked food by sending there children with chocolate filled lunchboxes
HEADTEACHERS SHOULD BE MADE TO ENFORCE A
WHOLE SCHOOL HEALTHY EATING PLAN
 
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Im not a parent (i should think not at 16!) and have seen (but very rarely had) school dinners.
I think that smaller children are harder to please so there isnt really an option to give them healthy food...as most wont eat it, and its teh schools responsibility to make sure the kids are fed and watered.
However, older 'children' (11-16) start to realise that some foods are bad for them so would choose the healthy option. Im my 2ndry school we had one side with 'junk food' and one side with salad, pasta, couscous, sandwiches, water, fruit etc and after a while people didnt really WANT to eat the junk stuff.
I think that if healthy food was just as cheap or cheaper and just as filling as the other fatty foods, people would eat it a lot more. They should also teach in schools how healthy food affects u, what u can make with it etc and get kids interested in it in general.
Also, if kids get junk food at home then there is no way people can expect them to change their eating habbits at school. its teh parents responsibility.
Disagree?
 
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I'm from the U.S.--please listen to me.

I agree that kids need to learn these habits at home. Maybe the parents need to change their eating habits, too. I know from experience that it CAN be more work to eat more fresh food, but they'll probably feel less worn out if they ate better food!

But--it's very important for children to learn to eat right at a young age. You'll get tears etc. at first, but you can't let them control you if you're trying to do something that will keep them from becoming unhealthy.

In my own family, I'm worried to death about everybody, esp. my 9-year-old niece. We're all fat and hooked on junky food. I eat the most vegetables so I'm the lightest, but I'm still unhealthy. My niece refuses to eat vegetables and most fruit!! My sister is also hooked on junk food and won't buy her vegs. but will blame her for not eating right.

So here are the results (sorry this is so long): I used to be very pretty; now my features are becoming coarser from my weight, I've got an underactive thyroid (your body gets stiff & all kinds of things), chest pains... I can't jump rope with the kids any more & I have no energy. I'm fighting this off though. My sister can hardly move... her legs now have varicose veins, her eyes are always black underneath, and she's always tired & cranky. My niece's eyes are usually black underneath too. She has bloody noses quite often and she gets sick from a cold or the flu every week or two. My brother hardly moves except to go to work. They all have major stomach problems that go from one thing to another. I rarely have that kind of problem and I know it's becz I eat a little better. Both my bro. & my sis feel very bad about their appearance--my bro. hardly ever goes out.

So...I'm kinda scared that my sister or my brother will get a heart attack one day. I said so to my brother and he said he thinks he already had one once, when he was in bed and he got a chest pain so bad that he fell off the bed. He never went to the doctor! Also my sister's feet look rotted or something but she can't reach them to treat them (she's too big), and she's too embarrassed to go to the doctor.

These are the kinds of things that are caused by eating bad food. These examples are prob. not true for everyone, but take a look around at your family members. How many of them are likely to get a stroke--and if they become incap., who will take care of them??

People from both our countries tend to forget that bad health screws up your life.
I'm dying to figure out how to prevent this from happening with my niece, but she's not my daughter. I love her-any suggestions?? Currently I told her that if she starts eating vegs. I will buy her a golden retriever dog.
 
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School dinners can't possibly be good for you, I blame the government for giving away our tax money to europe instead of spending it here in the UK which would allow them to provide better school dinners, medical care, roads & public transport etc.
 
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