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Having watched Derren Brown before and besides being extremely 'up' himself he is obviously a very talented individual.
Unfortunately in the VERY one sided and extremely unprofessional episode of Messiah last night the programme leaves the average 'open minded' viewer with more questions than answers. The programme makes annoying assertions without ever explaining itself. I felt cheated and frutrated at the end. In acting as a 'false' medium, Derren Brown came out with certain information toward individuals in the audience that he could not have possibly known. Of course they believed him; most people would have! What he didn't explain was how he new this imformation? His assertion that by asking the right questions etc etc...unfortunately his comments to the individuals in the audience were far too specific to be guess work of any kind. He must have had prior knowledge. This (the whole meaning of the programme)was not explained in anyway and as previously mentioned, spoilt what should have been an excellent piece of journalism.
Brown should try and stop being his own number one fan and give the audience what they really want...answers...not his self opinionated short cuts!
 
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But if you watched last week's "Mind Control" you would have seen how he can say very specific things to people and they believe that he knows it about them, when in fact it's so generalised that it can apply to absolutely anyone. That's part of Derren's talent - manipulating people into believing that he's reading them when he's doing anything but.
 
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Originally posted by Jenna aka Callie:
But if you watched last week's "Mind Control" you would have seen how he can say very specific things to people and they believe that he knows it about them, when in fact it's so generalised that it can apply to absolutely anyone. That's part of Derren's talent - manipulating people into believing that he's reading them when he's doing anything but.
 
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Yes, I must admit that I didn't see the previous weeks show...but I am still very very sceptical of Derren Browns methods...
How could he be so specific as to tell one middle aged woman that she had lost her father when she was in her early teens?
How could he be so specific as to mention a womans private dream that she was in an lift with her deceased father? There were numerous other occassions when the details were just TOO specific to be 'open ended'. My point is that it just didn't add up and was not explained in anyway at all, especially if you hadn't watched the previous weeks programme.
I honestly felt that Derren Brown must have been given this specific information about individuals in the audience before hand as it was SO specific and not in the least random.
Thanks for your reply though.
Alan.
 
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In the week before DB gave everyone a specific essay about themselves which the participants scored at 99% accurate (bar one). The participants couldn't believe how accurate DB had been with their info. They were then told and shown that they had all been given exactly the same essay. DB is superb - he's blowing the lid off all the mediums and religious nutters that use mind tricks. Be scared....the conmans days are numbered - its science not spirits or gifts or god.
 
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In the week before DB gave everyone a specific essay about themselves which the participants scored at 99% accurate (bar one). The participants couldn't believe how accurate DB had been with their info. They were then told and shown that they had all been given exactly the same essay. DB is superb - he's blowing the lid off all the mediums and religious nutters that use mind tricks. Be scared....the conmans days are numbered - its science not spirits or gifts or god.


I also saw this and totally agree CD, think Darren Brown is outstanding. His intelligence amazes me. I too was one of those people who would have considered paying good money to have my fortune read but not any longer!


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Having watched Derren Brown before and besides being extremely 'up' himself he is obviously a very talented individual.
Unfortunately in the VERY one sided and extremely unprofessional episode of Messiah last night the programme leaves the average 'open minded' viewer with more questions than answers. The programme makes annoying assertions without ever explaining itself. I felt cheated and frutrated at the end. In acting as a 'false' medium, Derren Brown came out with certain information toward individuals in the audience that he could not have possibly known. Of course they believed him; most people would have! What he didn't explain was how he new this imformation? His assertion that by asking the right questions etc etc...unfortunately his comments to the individuals in the audience were far too specific to be guess work of any kind. He must have had prior knowledge. This (the whole meaning of the programme)was not explained in anyway and as previously mentioned, spoilt what should have been an excellent piece of journalism.
Brown should try and stop being his own number one fan and give the audience what they really want...answers...not his self opinionated short cuts!


Firstly hello all, this is my first post here. I saw some Derren Brown specials around a month ago (the first screening of his work in Australia) and although I am a life long sceptic and have a basic understanding of the “tricks” used, it blew my mind. In particular his ‘cold reading’ of participants was extremely good.

For those who are unfamiliar with ‘cold reading’, it is a process that is used by mentalists and psychics to elicit from people you have no knowledge of. It uses a combination of techniques that includes:
General/vague questioning.
Reading body language/facial cues.
Memorizing lists of common names/aliments/common household oddities (eg: old calendars).
Educated guessing (eg: an elderly person has probably lost a child, a younger person has lost a parent/grandparent).

Of course the most important element is a willing believer and you can guarantee that most of the audience of a John Edward show is there because they believe.

There is a very good website that has a lot of information about cold reading (including the book that taught Derren the process that is available to purchase) here: http://www.ianrowland.com/


"Adams' first law of television: The weight of the backside is greater than the force of the intellect"
Phillip Adams (1939-)
 
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Originally posted by alfran:
Yes, I must admit that I didn't see the previous weeks show...but I am still very very sceptical of Derren Browns methods...
How could he be so specific as to tell one middle aged woman that she had lost her father when she was in her early teens?
How could he be so specific as to mention a womans private dream that she was in an lift with her deceased father? There were numerous other occassions when the details were just TOO specific to be 'open ended'. My point is that it just didn't add up and was not explained in anyway at all, especially if you hadn't watched the previous weeks programme.
I honestly felt that Derren Brown must have been given this specific information about individuals in the audience before hand as it was SO specific and not in the least random.
Thanks for your reply though.
Alan.



I have just seen Derren Brown Live in Blackpool on his new tour.. as i was a memeber of the audience i know there was no pior set up with people beforehand to gain information from people. and he was right,, he guessed what people's questions were and the answers to them...
and with remarkable detail he told us personal details like the tattoo one women had.. and he was blindfolded and couldnt see the audience at all..

therefore i would have to say that he was just really good at what he does to come up with such good details on that show of the womens dreams, and that the women had lost her father years ago..

Derren does what he does to show the con in mediums and such people who use techinques like his and they are claiming to be psychics and really talking to the dead.


I'll sign a contract to let Derren Brown do anything to me!!!
 
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