BRG is back with the latest installment of his B5 adventure! I have been told that season 4 is THE best season in the history of Babylon 5, Sci Fi, and television in general! BRG will be deligted if it matches the great standard of season 3.
I've already blasted through the first 4 episodes. And have things got off to a great start! First off Sheridan died a Za'Ha'Dum, but met an ancient alien called Lorien(LotR ) who gave up some of his life force to bring Sheridan back. The Captain then maid a sensational return to the station from beyond the grave to bring the alliance back from the brink of collapse. Mr Garibali dissapeared inside a Shadow ship, was interogated by unseen forces(I reckon Psi Corps) and returned to the station with amnisia, and a bad mood. Is he a plant like Talia I wonder? Londo & Vir are back on Centari Prime, serving Emporer Cartagia, who is so insane that even Caligula would say he is off his head! His great plan is to give the Shadows his home planet in exchange for elevating him to a god, and I thought Lord Rifa was bad news! G'Kar has been capured by the Centari, but he & Londo have agreed to work together to kill Cartagia, and free Narn. But G'Kar must endure & survive hidious torture until Londo can make his move. And finally, the Vorlons have changed the game, they are attacking the Shadows with all there might, taking out whole planets and any poor people who happen to live there. This ment that Sheridan had to kill the new Kosh(with the sinister red eye!) and did this with the aid of Leyta Alexander, and the old green eyed Kosh, who's last reminant of conciousness was living in Sheridans head!
It has been an amazing start to the season. And alot of story arcs which started one, two or in some cases three years ago are staring to take shape. Londo's prophetic dream were he and a one eyed G'kar kill each other, Sheridan's time jump 17 years into the future, and Londo's vision of the Shadow fleet flying over Centari Prime.
Two wee points I would like to mention. First, Stephen Furst, who plays Vir, seems to have lost a good bit of weight since the end of season 3, he looks younger & healthier. And Marcus's wild, below the sholder hair has been trimmed into a tight bob! He's still cool as hell, but it wil take a wee bit of time to get used to.
Well, sorry for going on and on. I shall post my thoughts & reaction on the season every few days for anybody who is interested, although most of the B5 fans on this board have dissapeared since Xmas(Angel, Jenna, CrazyRanger) But I will still keep you posted! BRG
PS- This is my first time through Babylon 5, and I don't want any spoilers to take away the inpact of watching the show freash. So please give me a wee warning if you are posting about something I havn't seen yet! Cheers
I'm glad yo like it BRG and I'll let Crazy Ranger know that you're making comments again, I'll sure she'll come and talk about it too.
I've got to get around to buying that, but at the moment I'm very poor so I'll just have to wait.
Season 4 is the one that makes me laugh, cry and scream at the TV, all in one go. It is the best seaon of the lot, even though season 3 is good it doesn't really compare to season 4.
"I can't fix this thing, it's a lost cause. Maybe if you vomit on it, it'll fix itself!"
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nice to see a fellow babylonion season four is the best as it is two seasons in one..... as at the time they were not sure if season five was going to happen....... So what are the extras one the discs like have you found the blooper reel yet BRG
I is not enought to live you have to have something to live for
Finally you're there BRG, season 4, IMO, B5's absolute pinnacle of achievement. What you have here is arguably one of the finest seasons of genre television ever produced, right up there with TOS's first year and TNG's golden third season.
As you've mentioned, over the previous three years numerous threads have been started, maintained and furthered. Here, season 4 is where the majority of them come to a head. JMS was originally told in no uncertain terms that Season 4 would be the final season as the network on which it aired, PTEN, was closing down in the States. It wasn't until the very last minute that Doug Netter brokered the deal that saw the show picked up for it's fifth and final year by TNT.
The effect this has is that Season 4 is the most highly paced season of television I've ever seen. The vast majority of episodes are very arc-intensive, the first six episodes act almost as their own mini-series.
The season finale, THE DECONSTRUCTION OF FALLING STARS was actually shot as the first episode of season 5. The episode shot for the season 4 finale originally was the series finale itself, SLEEPING IN LIGHT, the season 5 and series finale. Look forward to this in season 5, it's easily the best series finale I've ever seen, and probably one of the best episodes anytime, anywhere.
I really don't see you being too disappointed with season 4 BRG, you seem to have loved the series to date, and season 4 is better, a lot better than what's come before, even better than the glorious season 3.
Episodes to look out for include WHATEVER HAPPENED TO MR GARIBALDI, which includes the wonderful closing scenes between Sheridan and Lorien as Sheridan finally realises the gravity of his feelings for Delenn, marvellous stuff.
There's also THE SUMMONING, which includes one of the my favourite lines from the entire series. Sheridan finally returns to the station;
Drazi: "Forgive us, we.....thought you were....dead."
Sheridan: "I was. I'm much better now...."
Brilliant.
INTO THE FIRE provides a satisfying resolution to the Shadow War. I won't mention more than that, just in case you've yet to watch it
Also look out for NO SURRENDER, NO RETREAT, INTERSECTIONS IN REAL TIME and the absolutely brilliant ENDGAME.
Really I could have namedropped nearly every single episodes, they're all that good.
As I said, just enjoy them, these are 22 episodes of sheer television and sci-fi gold. Cherish your first time of watching them BRG
Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand. But I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the skies from me...
I've just got through the first six episodes, and it was stunning! I got so caught up in it that I watched episodes 1-4 back to back in one night. Some of the highlights for me, along with Sheridan's sensational return to the station, was the whole Londo-G'kar pact to save both there worlds. Great acting, and great moments by two of the greatest characters ever. And having Vir assasinate the mad Cartagia was in hindsight fairly predictable, it took me by suprise and was perfect for his character. The killing had to be done, and it probaly saved his people, but you still felt for the pure & good hearted Vir being forced to take a life. Another scene wich I thought was brilliantly done was when Sheridan & Delenn had to order the captain of the White Star ship to sacrifice himself, his crew, and his ship in order to lure the Shadow fleet to the showdown with the Vorlon fleet. I thought it was brilliant the way that viewer realised at the same time as the Ranger captain what Sheridan was asking him to do. The way all the other people in the room bowed there heads as Sheridan sent the ship to its doom, but Sheridan himself looked the Ranger strait in the eye, and gave the hardest order of all. Brilliant scene, very powerfull, and had BRG watching in stunned scilence.
So, is the Shadow war really over? I found myself in as much shock as the characters as the First Ones left the galaxy for pastures new! That famous old Eastenders phrase popped into my head "Wots goin' on?"
I assume the attention will now switch back to Earth civil war? I wonder were this leaves Sheridan's uneasy alliance with our old pal Mr Bester? I recon he is behind what happened to Garabaldi. And what about Sheridan's experince in the future? Remember in season 3, he zipped 17 years into the future, where Emperor Londo Mollari(Under the control of some strange alien) sentenced Sheridan & Delenn to death. Well, in that future, Delenn told Sheridan "Do not go to Za'Ha'Dum", why? The only answers I can think of are 1- This future has now been altered, so will never happen. 2- At this point in time, Sheridan's 20 years of life will nearly be over, and Delenn is terrified about loseing him(although, the fact that they are both to be killed seems to rule this out! ) and 3- By going to Za'Ha'Dum, a new threat emerged, worse than the Shadows, that could only be stopped by the help of the Fist Ones, who are now gone. Interesting! I may be miles off, or it could be anouther one of JMS's wee blinds to throw you off guard. But this scene was also seen in Londo's dream and Majel Barrett's vision, so it appears pivotal to the story.
Anyway, sorry for going on for so long, but the first 6 episodes have been mindblowing! And one last wee point, Londo appears to be back in with the good guys again! He even asked Vir to kill him in order to save his people from the Vorlon planet killer. I wonder if he will be dragged back to the dark side again? BRG
Ps- hey Linka! I havn't checked out the extras yet, I always wait until after I've watched the whole series incase there are any spoilers lurking in them! I was warned about the introduction for season 2 because it acctually reveals one of the big shocks of that season-Talia being a Psi Corps sleeper spy!
Couldn't agree more BRG. The scene where Sheridan sends the Whitestar to it's doom is superbly played. Boxleitner often takes a little stick for JMS's sometimes clunky dialogue, but for my money no one could have pulled off Sheridan the way Boxleitner does/did. Look at the start contrast between Boxleitner's Sheridan and O'Hare's Sinclair. Can you imagine O'Hare pulling of what Boxleitner does had things gone as originally planned ?
Is the Shadow War really over ? Here's a cryptic one for you, yes, and no
Where do things go from here ? Well as you say there's still the Earth situation, Clarke and Bester. The whole Garibaldi arc, all's I'll say is, dark, very dark
Regarding the future scene from Season 3, you already have the answer as to why Delenn didn't want him to go to Z'ha'dum, and by extension you already know whether history has been altered You're both right and wrong with your assumptions to this point.
Londo's path is filled wiht many twists and turns, who can say whether he's back on the straight and narrow, at this point in the series even Londo himself couldn't answer that one.
You're right to lay off on those extras BRG, they're quit revealing I'm afraid.
So 6 down. And the really good news, the best is still yet to come
Enjoy.
Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand. But I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the skies from me...
Ah the joys of season 4- okay, with little or no spoilers- I wish for BRG to see this in the right order inlike me who saw the 3rd season, 4th, 1st, 5th and 2nd.
Sheridan returning from the dead- only to die again- then return again- then die again in 20 years time! Well he lives longer than a lot of charecters, In the final episode the survivors are sitting around the table drinking "To absent friends," and naming a few. God thats so depressing, but as JMS would say, "i'm getting ahead of myself."
As for lorien, he's a great deal of fun (in an odd sort of way) - in "into the fire" I believe, theres a very intresting thing he says about "only those whose lives are brief can truly believe that love is eternal," to Ivanova... I wonder if JMS had planned what'd happen there. - I wont say anything but DRAMATIC IRONY!!! (Artemis- don't cry)
As for Garibaldi- your theory is very intresting...
Cartagia- oh I love him. He's so crazy but funny in a very sick kind of way, " One of my very best pain tecnicians- pain technicians- they used to be called torturers- but ever since they got organised it's pain technicians..."
As for Londo and G'kar, these two are great. The evolution of these two is amazing, but I can't say too much can I?
Re: Stephen Furst, his weight loss caused his insulin use (he's been a diabetic most of his life) to go to one needle a day. He was so proud he wrote a book.
Re: Marcus- the patron saint of well written english charecters. As much as i am the biggest Marcus fan ever (Down Artemis!) it gets to shadow dancing and its just "PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET A HAIRCUT AND A BEARD TRIM!!!" By the end of this season his hair gets longer (but not to the point where him and Ivanova are sharing hairbrushes) and his beard remains well kept.
Marcus- cool as hell?- HELL YEAH! Pikeal envy?? That scene in "The summoning," where him and Ivanova discuss his lack of... sexual experiance ("you're a v-" "exactly.") Im sorry but is she blind, stupid or just ignoring him? (no- I know the answer to that)
As for Season 4 being better than season 3... well, it all depends. A lot happens in Season 4 (which is why nothing happens in season 5), There's marginally more Marcus- which is always good. Charecter groups are pulled apart and pushed in evey direction. I don't know. The end of this season is VERY hard to watch (for reasons undisclosed). When I lent Artimis the last few she was still crying the next day, (sorry dear- just needed to express the point). Actually you mention the events of the last few of this season and she crys...i'll be quiet now. Anyway...S3 vs s4? I couldn't choose. S4 is more experimental in terms of tv...The illusion of truth, intersections in realtime, the deconstruction of falling stars. But season 3 has War without end!( Marcus, we're stealing a station to fight in a war that was a thousand years ago- we're all mad!)
okay angel- 2 points.
1- clunky dialogue, I now quote JMS:
"I've never revealed this before but on two separate occations I passed out from exhaustion. My heartbeat was often irregular and led to frequent chest pain...Being Russian I decided that I could do worse than have Babylon 5 as my epitaph."
The show was literally killing him! I don't see any excuse for george lucas like that: "Patience my blue friend..." "I recognised your foul stench when I was brought on board."- He wasn't killing himself over star wars. (Although maybe he should have done over the phantom menace)
2- Sinclair. I LIKE sinclair. Sinclair was a good charecter- and O'haire is NOT a bad actor. I despise and hate early sheridan "Oh lookat me i'm captain happy- have some orange juice," URGH!! Sinclairs more broody, darker, uncomfortable in his role- It made the show break the mold just a little more- I do agree, there are episodes I watch and think that "Sinclair couldn't have played that," but then I watch all the battle of the line stuff and think "Sheridan couldn't have made it that deep."
O'haire wouldn't have pulled it off, as the writing evolved with the charecters. Look at early Ivanova, depressing, kind of serious...then JMS injects some of Claudia Christian into her and you get the Ivanova we all know and love (Ranger growls at Claudia Christian for reasons she cannot yet disclose).
Anyway, this is just the inner Marcus coming out, opinionated, longwinded and very annoying (But damn cool and funny).
Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and slide on the ice.
oh, btw, Blooper reel very funny, Mira Furlan swears!!! (Put it please- I f@*ked it up!)
Point 1. Fear not, I wasn't criticising JMS, I'd never dare. Besides I have far too much respect for the guy. I'd heard the heart scare story, and completely agree with the George Lucas point. Even with the sometime clunky dialogue I'd still rather watch anything produced/written by JMS than pretty much anyone else in television.
Regarding The Phantom Menace. It's curious but in hindsight I have to say it's a close call as to which I prefer, that or Attack of the Clones. On the one hand TPM has more Jar Jar, but on the other you have Hayden Christensen. And in either you have George and his magic dialogue
Point 2. I never said O'Hare was a bad actor, he's just a different kind of actor, one that I really don't see pulling off some of the scenes that Boxleitner did. On the point of depth and the Battle of the Line, I'm really not sure. Bruce tended to do quite well IMO when he was given anything of significant consequence. I just really can't see Sinclair/O'Hare having the same effect in ENDGAME. Boxleitner/Sheridan also worked better with the other characters IMO. The cast became a lot more fluid season 2 onwards.
Don't take it personally, I just prefer Sheridan. His appointment came as somewhat of a relief for me, I really didn't buy into Sinclair that much, although Sinclair's departure also signalled the end of Sakai
Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand. But I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the skies from me...
BRG, I never went away - just defected to the Stargate pages!
I'm jealous because you've got a glorious few weeks (or, I suspect, days because you won't be able to stop watching!) ahead of you as you watch the rest of the season. I rewatched not very long ago and was so impressed at the quality of the whole series - it hasn't dated at all in the years that have passed.
And no matter how well Bruce dealt with JMS's dialogue, I nominate as the worst line ever: "You're not a married man, are you?"!!
Just imagine if the ranger had said yes (Note: Is it me or is the ranger hal from malcom in the middle?)
"You are married? Well okay- Marcus, get up here- we have something for you to do..."
Sorry but if something nasty needs doing it always befalls the minor charecters.... Lita has a point when she tells zac no-one comes to her unless they want something! but think of what Marcus took in his time: Brought in supposedly unconsious, sent off to find first ones, has fights with warrior cast minbari, has extreme guilt complex- I halt to stop for spoilers (Wait a minute- that made no sense).
Good as long as you're not having a go at JMS- (Recites mantra-I will listen to JMS, I will not ignore JMS recomendations, JMS is god.)
Heh, Sheridan talking about being married. I suppose he's quite experianced with that. (Was that too spoilerish?)
I wish I could erase B5 from my brain and c it all in order (Like watching war without end without going "Who's that guy?" at Sinclair)
Has anyone read any of the novels?...Don't bother with most of them- it's not worth it. I swear in one i've got, sinclairs name has just been cut and sheridan pasted in. However, if you do read one- make it to dream in the city of sorrows - by Kathrine Drennan (Mrs JMS- so she knows her stuff). It's a nice gap filler of what happens with Sinclair btw s1 and wwe. Not to mention the greatness of Marcus in the novel- and his elvis worshiping cousin.
Anyway, shadows to fight, no deeds to do no promises to keep, i'm daffled and drowsy and ready to sleep...(bloody simon and garfunkel)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by British Racing Green: Hello Angel!
I've just got through the first six episodes, and it was stunning! I got so caught up in it that I watched episodes 1-4 back to back in one night. Some of the highlights for me, along with Sheridan's sensational return to the station, was the whole Londo-G'kar pact to save both there worlds. Great acting, and great moments by two of the greatest characters ever. And having Vir assasinate the mad Cartagia was in hindsight fairly predictable, it took me by suprise and was perfect for his character. The killing had to be done, and it probaly saved his people, but you still felt for the pure & good hearted Vir being forced to take a life. Another scene wich I thought was brilliantly done was when Sheridan & Delenn had to order the captain of the White Star ship to sacrifice himself, his crew, and his ship in order to lure the Shadow fleet to the showdown with the Vorlon fleet. I thought it was brilliant the way that viewer realised at the same time as the Ranger captain what Sheridan was asking him to do. The way all the other people in the room bowed there heads as Sheridan sent the ship to its doom, but Sheridan himself looked the Ranger strait in the eye, and gave the hardest order of all. Brilliant scene, very powerfull, and had BRG watching in stunned scilence.
So, is the Shadow war really over? I found myself in as much shock as the characters as the First Ones left the galaxy for pastures new! That famous old Eastenders phrase popped into my head "Wots goin' on?"
I assume the attention will now switch back to Earth civil war? I wonder were this leaves Sheridan's uneasy alliance with our old pal Mr Bester? I recon he is behind what happened to Garabaldi. And what about Sheridan's experince in the future? Remember in season 3, he zipped 17 years into the future, where Emperor Londo Mollari(Under the control of some strange alien) sentenced Sheridan & Delenn to death. Well, in that future, Delenn told Sheridan "Do not go to Za'Ha'Dum", why? The only answers I can think of are 1- This future has now been altered, so will never happen. 2- At this point in time, Sheridan's 20 years of life will nearly be over, and Delenn is terrified about loseing him(although, the fact that they are both to be killed seems to rule this out! ) and 3- By going to Za'Ha'Dum, a new threat emerged, worse than the Shadows, that could only be stopped by the help of the Fist Ones, who are now gone. Interesting! I may be miles off, or it could be anouther one of JMS's wee blinds to throw you off guard. But this scene was also seen in Londo's dream and Majel Barrett's vision, so it appears pivotal to the story.
Anyway, sorry for going on for so long, but the first 6 episodes have been mindblowing! And one last wee point, Londo appears to be back in with the good guys again! He even asked Vir to kill him in order to save his people from the Vorlon planet killer. I wonder if he will be dragged back to the dark side again? BRG
So many question BRG to find the answers to your questions you will have to read the the centauri and the techno mage TRilogy of books both trilogy give LOTR a ruin for their money
just finished the techno mage one and it put a whole new spin on the shadows and sheridan....
the centauri one takes you up to veer becoming emperor.as which was fortold and that bloke sherdian is involved again happy reading..... one hint read the techno mage one first g
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for those in MK this week end deathwalker and the black rose killer are there if you know you b5 then you know what i am say
BRG has watched 10 episodes already! I try and limit myself to one episode in the evening, and two on Saturdays, but I just cant help myself!
And, I'm going to give myself some praise, after 6 episodes I said predicted Bester, and these weird aliens that controled 'future Londo' would appear soon, and guess what? the pop up in episode 7! Bester is always good, and as I also suspected, he is still a baddie(I think! ) and he has an 'ace in the hole' that will cause the crew of B5 tremendous pain- Mr Garibaldi I recon! And the weird aliens, I assume they were part of the force fleeing Za'Ha'Dum. And already one of them has attatched itself to that poofy wee Centari Regent! Another attached itself to Captian Jack, and we learned what it was- a symbiant(?) who can't handle his booze.
What the hell is up with Garibaldi? He appears to have been brainwashed into going against Sheridan, but he still does not want to hurt him. This is baffleing, I recon Zac Allen knows somthing up, and will pull The Chief out of his hole. Still, it was a suprise to see him knocking Sheridan on his ass after all they have been through in the last couple of years.
I DO NOT BELIEVE IT The amazing Dr Franklin strikes again! He has only met the Mars resistance leader 5 mins ago, and he has pulled her already! He suggests that No.1, Marcus and himself should go and check out the hotel >nudge nudge, wink wink< and Marcus gets the message and replies that he will meet them there in a few hours! Allow me to refresh your memory on Franklin's amazing ability to pull a piece of red hot ass in two seconds flat. Season 2- A woman is brought out of stasis, she is 100 years out of time, on a strange space station, and she has just been told that her husband died during the voyage. Franklin goes to comfort her, there eyes meet, and BOOM! She is in Franklin's bed in his quarters before she knows what hit her. Season 3- The stim addicted Franklin goes on walkabout, hears some singing from a nightclub, he enters the seedy joint, spys the sexy singer on stage, there eyes meet across the smoke filled room, and BOOM! Franklin is in her bed before she knows what hit her. Season 4- Franklin, working undercover with Marcus Cole poseing as gay lovers, set out to meet the leader of the Mars resistance. After an assasination attempt by a weird alien, there eyes meet across the disecting table, and BOOM! No.1 is in bed with Franklin in a sleazy hotel before she knows what hit her! I'm telling you, Franklin could put the legendary Jim Kirk in his place. If I was Sheridan, I would keep him well away from the lovely Delenn!
Well, I've rattled on a bit again. but I shall return with more observations, predictions, and rants very soon!
hello Crazy Ranger! It's been a while since you have graced these boards, but we are always glad when you join us! While I can't think of any line of chunky dialoge off the top of my head, I always find it out of place when characters suddenly turn into 'Basil Exposition', you know, when they read dialoge that is purly to inform the viewer about something, but try and make it sound like normal conversation. One scene were the dialoge was like this is when Delenn & Lennier took Sheridan & Ivanova onto the White Star, the whole convesation sounded staged just to explain the capabilaties of the ship. It sounded really wooden IMHO. Jenna! A delight to hear from you again! I agree, B5 has aged brilliantly. Apart from some primative CGI FX in season 1, it still holds it's own with the top Sci Fi shows of today, and it has a story & characters to put all the rest to shame. And yes, it is brilliant to be watching this for the first time, especially on DVD as it has amazing picture & sound quality. But I am going through the season faster than I wanted to! BRG
hi brg- basil exposition- I am arthur! King of the britons! (do you know how hard it is for me to watch austin powers now?)
erm...bad dialogue... can we move to good dialogue? Most of what Marcus says- apart from: "I don't usually speak unless I have something to say,"-- Marcus shutting up? Was JMS having an odd moment (Especially after "Funny, with a face like yours I thought you'd be used to it by now") -- Marcus never seems to know when to shut up- especially if he's erked about something!
okay-- then best line of Dialogue from b5 would be... "The war we fight is not against power and principalities. It is against chaos and despair. Greater that the death of flesh is the death of hope- of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender."-- im getting that put on a t-shirt!
As for Doctor shaft-- yeah- he is the station bicycle. I love Marcus' "Some people have all the luck," face. Hell- i love marcus- for thoses of you who didn't quite get that point. As for those 2 being gay--- I nearly cry everytime!!!
"You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe" - Marcus
"All life, every life. We're all born as molecules in the hearts of a billion stars, molecules that do not understand politics, policies, and differences. In a billion years, we foolish molecules forgot who we are and where we came from. In desperate acts of ego, we gave ouselves names. We fight over lines on maps and pretend our light is better than everyone else's" - Delenn
"Why does any advanced civilization seek to destroy less advanced one? Because the land is strategically valuable, because there are resources that can be cultivated and exploited, but most of all, simply because they can" - G'kar
And one of my personal favourites;
"You cannot make history; you can only hope to survive it" - G'kar
Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand. But I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the skies from me...
Yeah- so much of what G'ka says is so meaningful and profound- wow. And delenns speach on the candle and light symbolising life (a common icon for Delenn)- I watched that episode just before the Iraq war- it resonated so much... "So many candles will go out tonight. It's a wonder somedays that we can see at all."
As for everyone else: Londo: I am far beyond innocence, and fast approching apathy. Ivanova: All love is unrequited.( but how did she mean that- as in all love is unconditional-or all love is pointless?- that makes me wonder.) Sheridan: Would you like some orange juice? (JOKE!) I was, i'm better now (Re; being dead)
Ivanova: Good old psi-corp- all the moral fibre of jack the ripper! What do you do for fun? Juggle babies over burning pits of fire?
Vir: would you like to finish our little conversation now- spoo for brains! (I cheered so much at that!)
Lennier: Im trying to avoid breaking a promise by breaking a promise. I promised Delenn that I would not speak of this to the captain or let him know. She did not mention you by name- but that was implicit. If I tell the others in the chain of command then Sheridan will find out and I will have broken the promise. But if I break my promise by coming to you, since you are not in the chain of command, he may not find out about this and I will not have broken the promise. Marcus: I'm in awe Lennier. The way you can take a straightforward- logical propostion and turn it inside out so in the end it says what you want it to say instead of what it actually means. Tell me, does this came naturally or did you attend some special martial arts class for the philosophically inclined. (Oh that smile he gives there is so sweet- smart arse)
Anyway, theres so many good quotes from this show.
Aye, thats me watched 3 discs. Only 2 and a half to go.
Anyway, some episodes there took the foot off the pedel, and gave us a wee chance to catch our breath, but we appear to be at full throttle again! We had an episode were Delenn took a Whitestar fleet out to investigate raiders attacking weaker races. And we got hit with another wierd(but cool) Alien- the Drak(?)! That was an alien with the sinister factor turned up full! With that strange motion effect(he looked like he was trying to boogie down to some funky beat that only he could hear!), the sinister voice, and the look of his face throgh the effect, it was chilling. A look that was etched on the face of Delenn & Lennier. But what about that Delenn! When this woman gets angry, just hope it's not directed at you! She took the Drak fleet apart, and now she is off to Mimbar to pull her people back from the brink of civil war. What a woman! And Garibaldi's story gets darker each episode. Who are these guy's he is in league with?- Night Watch? Psi Corp? Who is this rich man from Mars who 'made him an offer he couldn't refuse'? Are these the guys who kidnapped him? Is he Bester's ace in the hole? At some level he appears to still be our Garibaldi, but he is drifting close to the abyss I think.
Well, I will find out soon. On your quotes from the show Crazy Ranger & Angel, there was one from Delenn a few episodes ago I liked. I'm not sure if this is 100% correct, it was when Sheridan admitted that he was worried about her going out in the Whitestar without him, she looked him strait in the eye and said "John, never forget who I was, who I am, or what I am capible of" Left you in no doubt that this is one extemely powerfull woman. BRG
PS- How good did Delenn look in that white 'dreaming' robe! And if that was not enough, in that episode we also had her in a skimpy black outfit! BRG's chin was on the floor!
My favourite recurring character made yet another dramatic apperance- Veroon! In terms of coolness, I reckon he's up there with Darth Vader. The pale skin, the ice cold voice, and the headbone that looks like it's a predetors hornes. Plus he kicked the shit out of Marcus without getting out of first gear, anyone who can do that is quality. But I a wee bit confused(an normal mindset when following B5!) As Delenn said, he has always acted with honour. So why is he setting up Delenn in an ambush? Or is he returning to prevent an already planned ambush? Who knows, or dares dream?!
Oh, one last wee point. I'm pretty sure that one of the religious Minbari in the episode 'Rumors, Bargains and Lies' was Col Gruber, the gay Nazi from Allo Allo who had the hots for Rene. Am I right? BRG
) who gave up some of his life force to bring Sheridan back. The Captain then maid a sensational return to the station from beyond the grave to bring the alliance back from the brink of collapse.
His great plan is to give the Shadows his home planet in exchange for elevating him to a god, and I thought Lord Rifa was bad news! 
G'Kar has been capured by the Centari, but he & Londo have agreed to work together to kill Cartagia, and free Narn. But G'Kar must endure & survive hidious torture until Londo can make his move.
