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quote: They can want whatever they want. Doesn't mean they will get it. Can I ask all labour supporters out of the country? They really offend me, and I don't want to discuss things with them.
They can put their case, and people can weight their opinons. I can't see anyone wanting it? Can you?
it was obviously said for a reason but knowing nothing about australia i couldn't give details- dubs |
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quote: Originally posted by Charles_M.: You mean invading Iraq would increase the risk, we were targets before Iraq Bio.
I know you don't like this fact
just as you don't like the fact that killing tens of thousands more people made us a BIGGER target. Before afghanistan and iraq, we were only guilty of turning a blind eye to israels expansionism. which is why we eren't that much of a target but then we started racking up the bodycount ourselves..... the generals always hate us for simply being different, but they NEED foot soldiers the bigger our injustices - the more foot soldiers they can recruit. No? |
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quote: What are they teaching their children???
Apparently their textbooks are filled with anti-semitic and anti-western diatribes. As much as I hate people blaming all Muslims for the actions of a select few, I have to say that the regime in Saudi is barbaric and repressive. Then again, I think it useful to bear in mind that we wouldn't have to look that hard to find similarly racist people in the West (think Bible belt US - how many kids would express a desire to kill Arabs?, the BNP?). Still, the thing about KSA is that the nuts are the ones in power. All the more reason to move away from a (Middle East) oil dependant economy. |
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quote: Originally posted by welshwarlock: I have to say that the regime in Saudi is barbaric and repressive.
Its a monarchy, but such a rich one that we look the other way. Rather like isarel really. |
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quote: Originally posted by Andalus: quote: Originally posted by shuggie: quote: Originally posted by Andalus: quote: Originally posted by shuggie:
Read the article yesterday, the line where he's quoted as saying
'the racist reality of the Arab psyche would never accept black and white people as equal'
should make all the PC/MC crowd sit up and ask themselves, what is Islam really about.
Err saudis are racist. But against other arabs and africans. They love White people and westerners. That's why they give them bigger salaries and free houses etc.
Er maybe you should read the article slowly and you'll see that these are his words, sorry if that offends, but there you have it. Unless of course you're trying to tell me that all Muslims are as one and this chap is lying. However a casual observation of the carnage in Iraq and Darfur would suggest otherwise.
Err then he is wrong. No comment on the other nonsense you wrote.
Ah I see another denialist, excellent, meanwhile the people die. |
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quote: Originally posted by Bioethanol: quote: Originally posted by Charles_M.: You mean invading Iraq would increase the risk, we were targets before Iraq Bio.
I know you don't like this fact
just as you don't like the fact that killing tens of thousands more people made us a BIGGER target. Before afghanistan and iraq, we were only guilty of turning a blind eye to israels expansionism. which is why we eren't that much of a target but then we started racking up the bodycount ourselves..... the generals always hate us for simply being different, but they NEED foot soldiers the bigger our injustices - the more foot soldiers they can recruit. No?
That is all fine and dandy Bio but those that hate us find excuses anyway, regardless of what we do or don't do. Lets say we elect you PM and you go and do everything you can to correct the injustices as they see them, you will find more and more will come to light. Should Spain be returned to Muslim hands? This is one injustice some Jihadis state. |
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quote: Originally posted by welshwarlock: quote: What are they teaching their children???
All the more reason to move away from a (Middle East) oil dependant economy.
I agree with that. |
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quote: Originally posted by shuggie: quote: Originally posted by Andalus: quote: Originally posted by shuggie: quote: Originally posted by Andalus: quote: Originally posted by shuggie:
Read the article yesterday, the line where he's quoted as saying
'the racist reality of the Arab psyche would never accept black and white people as equal'
should make all the PC/MC crowd sit up and ask themselves, what is Islam really about.
Err saudis are racist. But against other arabs and africans. They love White people and westerners. That's why they give them bigger salaries and free houses etc.
Er maybe you should read the article slowly and you'll see that these are his words, sorry if that offends, but there you have it. Unless of course you're trying to tell me that all Muslims are as one and this chap is lying. However a casual observation of the carnage in Iraq and Darfur would suggest otherwise.
Err then he is wrong. No comment on the other nonsense you wrote.
Ah I see another denialist, excellent, meanwhile the people die.
Denying what exactly? He is wrong. I am correct. Simple as that. |
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quote: Originally posted by Andalus:
Denying what exactly? He is wrong. I am correct. Simple as that.
What is he wrong about? |
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quote: Originally posted by Charles_M.: quote: Originally posted by Andalus:
Denying what exactly? He is wrong. I am correct. Simple as that.
What is he wrong about?
He said saudis are racist against white people. I said saudis are racist. But against other arabs, africans and asians. They love White people and westerners. That's why they give them bigger salaries and free houses etc. |
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quote: Originally posted by Charles_M.: That is all fine and dandy Bio but those that hate us find excuses anyway, regardless of what we do or don't do.
No question - and that works both ways too. quote: Lets say we elect you PM and you go and do everything you can to correct the injustices as they see them, you will find more and more will come to light.
the harder they have to look - the less convincing these reasons will be. so the less people there will be willing to do something disproportionate. we haven't been attacked for our relationship with isarel, but america has. maybe this is because we aren't actually arming them? if thousands of exptremist muslims have been hating us since 1945 and before - isn't it odd that we haven't noticed? |
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quote: Charles M said:
Should Spain be returned to Muslim hands?
This is one injustice some Jihadis state.
You need to learn to read. The point is that if the injustices are kept to a minimum (which they should be anyway), there will be less people willing to blow themselves up. The less such people there are, the less likely those people are to carry out a successful attack and the less people die. Yes, there will always be a few people sitting in caves hating us. Who gives? There are always a few nutters. But they are easy to contain. Pissing off millions of people by invading their country and killing their people makes them not easy to contain. Its very, very simple. |
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quote: Originally posted by Bioethanol: quote: Originally posted by shuggie: 'the racist reality of the Arab psyche would never accept black and white people as equal'
should make all the PC/MC crowd sit up and ask themselves, what is Islam really about.
Hmmmm what are you blaming here - islam, or arabs?
Maybe you should read the article, because I'm not blaming anyone, I'm merely commenting. The article isn't telling some of us from the WI community anything new, we've seen the end results and heard the experiences of some converts. It's a reality they have to deal with, their funeral. |
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quote: Originally posted by Andalus: quote: Originally posted by Charles_M.: quote: Originally posted by Andalus:
Denying what exactly? He is wrong. I am correct. Simple as that.
What is he wrong about?
He said saudis are racist against white people. I said saudis are racist. But against other arabs, africans and asians. They love White people and westerners. That's why they give them bigger salaries and free houses etc.
How do we know that you are right and he is wrong? |
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quote: Originally posted by Andalus: quote: Originally posted by shuggie: quote: Originally posted by Andalus: quote: Originally posted by shuggie: quote: Originally posted by Andalus: quote: Originally posted by shuggie:
Read the article yesterday, the line where he's quoted as saying
'the racist reality of the Arab psyche would never accept black and white people as equal'
should make all the PC/MC crowd sit up and ask themselves, what is Islam really about.
Err saudis are racist. But against other arabs and africans. They love White people and westerners. That's why they give them bigger salaries and free houses etc.
Er maybe you should read the article slowly and you'll see that these are his words, sorry if that offends, but there you have it. Unless of course you're trying to tell me that all Muslims are as one and this chap is lying. However a casual observation of the carnage in Iraq and Darfur would suggest otherwise.
Err then he is wrong. No comment on the other nonsense you wrote.
Ah I see another denialist, excellent, meanwhile the people die.
Denying what exactly? He is wrong. I am correct. Simple as that.
Sorry but he has real world experience and you have what exactly... The carnage in Iraq and Darfur is also imaginary is it  |
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You don't. I know it's the reality. If you go to saudi, then you would know it's true. Westerners don't even have to queue in banks.
if your asian or african your subhuman, if your arabic and apply for the same job as westerner is doing you get paid less.
it's all standard stuff.
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quote: Originally posted by shuggie: Sorry but he has real world experience and you have what exactly... The carnage in Iraq and Darfur is also imaginary is it
lol. he went on a holiday to saudi. what does that have to do iwth iraq and darfur? i know people who have lived their all their lifes. |
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quote: Originally posted by Bioethanol:
if thousands of exptremist muslims have been hating us since 1945 and before - isn't it odd that we haven't noticed?
Bio you are talking about reducing the reasons for the terrorists to recruit people, this is fine, un-realistic because of the multitude of excuses they use but I can understand the reasoning. Can you understand that it will not stop terrorism against us? |
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quote: Originally posted by Andalus:
He said saudis are racist against white people.
I said saudis are racist. But against other arabs, africans and asians. They love White people and westerners. That's why they give them bigger salaries and free houses etc.
Its not that simple. I work with a couple of people who have previously worked in Saudi. Essentially they said that they are tolerated because the country needs western technical expertise to run the industry. They are kept isolated and separate in compunds so they don't interact with the locals. The Saudis themselves, by and large, are well into the worst materialistic traits of the western world (big cars etc). But that doesn't mean they consider Westerners as equals, I don't think they do. It is true to say, however, that people from the asian subcontinent and Africa are treated much much worse. Of course this does not apply to all Saudis, and appears to apply to the govnt. I haven't been there, so I can't really say any more. |
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quote: Originally posted by shuggie: Maybe you should read the article, because I'm not blaming anyone, I'm merely commenting.
yeah, its the comments i am asking about. the link says "racist reality of the Arab psyche" but then you ask "what is Islam really about." I am just wondering how that leap of logic occured are you suggesting the arabs invented islam to justify their racism? Or are you saying the arabs weren't racist before islam? |
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quote: Originally posted by welshwarlock: quote: Originally posted by Andalus:
He said saudis are racist against white people.
I said saudis are racist. But against other arabs, africans and asians. They love White people and westerners. That's why they give them bigger salaries and free houses etc.
Its not that simple. I work with a couple of people who have previously worked in Saudi. Essentially they said that they are tolerated because the country needs western technical expertise to run the industry. They are kept isolated and separate in compunds so they don't interact with the locals. The Saudis themselves, by and large, are well into the worst materialistic traits of the western world (big cars etc). But that doesn't mean they consider Westerners as equals, I don't think they do. It is true to say, however, that people from the asian subcontinent and Africa are treated much much worse. Of course this does not apply to all Saudis, and appears to apply to the govnt. I haven't been there, so I can't really say any more.
I agree 100 %. |
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quote: Can you understand that it will not stop terrorism against us?
So if doing something does not completely, absolutely stop something, you should go right ahead and continue with a policy that makes things even worse? How stupid. Things are not black and white. The idea is to make the situation better to the point where it is not a significant concern. |
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quote: Originally posted by Charles_M.: Bio you are talking about reducing the reasons for the terrorists to recruit people, this is fine, un-realistic because of the multitude of excuses they use but I can understand the reasoning.
Can you understand that it will not stop terrorism against us?
yes, the generals will always hate us. so by your logic, do you think we might as well 'be hung for a sheep' and kill 100,000 in iran to be safe? are you suggesting that won't make us *any more* likely to be terrorised? |
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