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The Magnetist
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let them leave the Country.



they are not in the uk. Anyone is the uk operates under uk banking law.

We are talking tax havens, russia, china, west africa and thousand other places where there isn't much law.

talk about lynch mob thinking Roll Eyes


Tell me what will happen to the Spivs? It seems to me that they will get away with all that they have done to every person in the UK and other western countries.

If there was a means to get at them via the law I would be happy but there is not. So they have wone, again.

If that is not the case then please say so.

Consequently, I want to find ways to get them. One way or another they must pay for what they have done to us. Why should they be allowed to benefit from wholesale economic destruction that a Hoodie could never even envisage even with a bag full of dynamite and a box of matches?
 
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The Magnetist
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If you are punched repeatedly in the face



if someone is doing that to you that is a police problem? Wink


And if the police are paid by the person punching you?
 
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The Magnetist
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I can only assume that you have benefited from the action of Spivs or why would you defend them so much?

How can you defend those that have destroyed our economy?
 
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concertpianist
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And guess who is expected to pay for it?



those who asked no questions during the good times?

actually the term pay is wrong its pay back what they should not have had in the first place.

if someone said two years ago the financial system is in trouble [as some did] there would have been no national political consensus to do anything. especially unilaterally?

the public thought house prices were a one way bet and the media feed that illusion.
 
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concertpianist
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destroyed our economy?



that is evidently a false belief. so everything that follows from it must be false?

anger is not the basis for policy. reason is.
 
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The Magnetist
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And guess who is expected to pay for it?



those who asked no questions during the good times?

actually the term pay is wrong its pay back what they should not have had in the first place.

if someone said two years ago the financial system is in trouble [as some did] there would have been no national political consensus to do anything. especially unilaterally?

the public thought house prices were a one way bet and the media feed that illusion.


Pah. How supplied the context? The Spivs.

Now you are scattering blame like confetti, I am sure you have a vested interest yourself.

You will not distract us from the actions of the Spivs in destroying the country.
 
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The Magnetist
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destroyed our economy?



that is evidently a false belief. so everything that follows from it must be false?

anger is not the basis for policy. reason is.


A false belief? How is our economy fully functional? Pah.

Anger is the result of mistreatment and a seed for change.

No doubt you would wish us all to just pay up and pat the Spivs on their backs for being such good chaps. Well, sorry mate, I am angry and I will stay angry until I see REASONABLE justice meted out to these greedy spongers.
 
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destroyed our economy?



that is evidently a false belief. so everything that follows from it must be false?

anger is not the basis for policy. reason is.


The economy can not survive without being bailed out by tax payers money... and even that is not a guaranteed panacea.
 
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concertpianist
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a better term is financial oligarchy.

They through people like the chicago school of economists propagandised the 'light regulation' and sold the story of financial oligarchy as public democracy to politicians and along with massive political donations [Fannie and Freddie gave massive poltican donations and their books remained un audited for 5 years] they got their way.

Financial Oligarchs are international and there are several subsets within them. This small group have 80% of the wealth in the usa and probably similar elsewhere.

we have read oligarchs have lost 280+ billions in the last few weeks so they are no as rich as they were.

can they be removed? probably not. like organised crime will never be removed.

As financial experts they will always be ahead of the game of regulation.

i would be more impressed with the socialists if they named and shamed specifics based on evidence than just wild handsweeping and gesticulating? But i bet they couldn't name 20 oligarchs and their connections in the uk.

but then if they were rational they wouldn't be revolutionary socialists Wink
 
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concertpianist
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a seed for change



yes i've read all those mobilise anger for revolution books as well. Clapping

the jihadis do the same. anger is frustration generated by ignorance. so their target audience is the ignorant [usually young]. No educated person would be fooled.
 
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The Magnetist
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a better term is financial oligarchy.

They through people like the chicago school of economists propagandised the 'light regulation' and sold the story of financial oligarchy as public democracy to politicians and along with massive political donations [Fannie and Freddie gave massive poltican donations and their books remained un audited for 5 years] they got their way.

Financial Oligarchs are international and there are several subsets within them. This small group have 80% of the wealth in the usa and probably similar elsewhere.

we have read oligarchs have lost 280+ billions in the last few weeks so they are no as rich as they were.

can they be removed? probably not. like organised crime will never be removed.

As financial experts they will always be ahead of the game of regulation.

i would be more impressed with the socialists if they named and shamed specifics based on evidence than just wild handsweeping and gesticulating? But i bet they couldn't name 20 oligarchs and their connections in the uk.

but then if they were rational they wouldn't be revolutionary socialists Wink


Why do you keep going on about revolutionary socialists?
 
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The Magnetist
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"yes i've read all those mobilise anger for revolution books as well."

You think that change is not needed then? Shall we continue as we have before?

Perhaps if you stopped being busy trying to staple people with political tags you might be able to see that we are in dire straits as a result of the actions of a few.

These Spiv 'people'* need have no political affiliations as they only served their own greed.

*I hardly think they qualify for the term 'people' as it suggests a level of civilised interaction that they are clearly incapable of.
 
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concertpianist
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trying to storm the royal exchange is not a revolutionary act? you're right. happens everyday.
 
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we have over 1600 organisd crime gangs in the uk taking out 40 billion a year from 'the workers'.

no righteous anger there? no swp co operating with police to find drug dealers, false documents, people traffickers etc.

maybe if they they would gain public respect?
 
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The Magnetist
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trying to storm the royal exchange is not a revolutionary act? you're right. happens everyday.


The Spivs have already Stormed it. There is nothing left.
 
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concertpianist
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haven't had a good chat like this with the reds since the FBU 'strike'. thanks.
 
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The Magnetist
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we have over 1600 organisd crime gangs in the uk taking out 40 billion a year from 'the workers'.

no righteous anger there? no swp co operating with police to find drug dealers, false documents, people traffickers etc.

maybe if they they would gain public respect?


Who cares what they do. We are talking about the actions of the Spivs that cause this anger in the first place. This distraction tactic will not work.

We need to deal with the cause not the symptoms. The cause of the situation is the actions of the Spivs in a de-regulated market. Oh, and don't start blaming the lacky-Government again. they were just puppets until even they could not face it anymore.
 
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concertpianist
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Spivs that cause this ange



anger is generated by ignorance.

any 'spivs' [oligarchs] in mind? or just anyone whose face fits?

if i was in the swp i would be looking for funds for an in depth investgation grant to the cayman islands. Wink
 
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The Magnetist
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Spivs that cause this ange



anger is generated by ignorance.

any 'spivs' [oligarchs] in mind? or just anyone whose face fits?

if i was in the swp i would be looking for funds for an in depth investgation grant to the cayman islands. Wink


Anger is also generated by knowledge. The people now know what has been done to them just so a few can get rich.

Regarding who should be identified, I am hardly in a position to name and shame. That would be down to those in the State who have access to the appropriate data sources.

however, I am sure that many would wish these people to remain faceless to protect them from public displeasure.

However, if they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear (as so many rightwingers are quick to say...)
 
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I have to agree with the Socialist Workers sentiments, why should the tax payer bail out the corruption.

I noted on C4 news the other night that those responsible for the collapse of a Japanese insurance firm bowed their heads in shame on national TV. C4 noted that not one of those responsible for our crisis has shown such remorse.
 
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No educated person would be fooled.



It's the system that's got you fooled... You believe you have an interest in being ripped off.

Who do they think they are, fooling you?

Who do they think they are fooling? YOU
 
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why should the tax payer bail out the corruption.



There hasn't been any corruption.

The cost to society if we don't "bail out" the banking sector could be much worse. During the 1970s the taxpayer was called upon to bail out a series of failing industries, shipbuilders, car makers etc. What's the difference now?
 
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The Magnetist
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why should the tax payer bail out the corruption.



There hasn't been any corruption.

The cost to society if we don't "bail out" the banking sector could be much worse. During the 1970s the taxpayer was called upon to bail out a series of failing industries, shipbuilders, car makers etc. What's the difference now?


You think that the destruction of our whole society by a few greedy Spivs is the same?

This bailing out is to pay directly for those who sold us out for their own gain.

In the case of '70s industry; some were asset stripped by similar people and then left to die but others were managed by incompetents and suffered from poor investment (a common City trait).

it is clear that the financial system was being manipulated for personal gain. I object to a single penny of mine going to a Spiv but I know that it will, hence my anger.
 
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When you have a better idea please let us in on it.
 
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