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Originally posted by snowinthestow:

It smacks of absolute desperation, but what is utterly frightening, is that it might just work.

of course it's desperate - McCain's losing.

Personally I think McCain and Palin have done very well - on all the issues Obama should be walking this but somewhat surprisingly, McCain is making a fight of it.

Obama will win - but the margin will not be as much as it should have been given the circumstances - whether thats down to McCain or Obama I'm not sure.

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Originally posted by Poko:

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Originally posted by QOSheba:
It already is !

Nope, it's a man's world luv...

Only because we allow it, luv.

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Originally posted by Optimus Maximus:

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Originally posted by empiricist:

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Originally posted by lunarita:
Empiricist, are you saying you think politicians should be able to use their positions and by-pass the official legal channels then?

They do so all of the time; this is hardly Watergate.

Corruption in public life.

And you think we should just ignore it?

You either clamp down on all abuses of power or none; this bout of fake outrage is politically motivated and insincere. Politicians are all crooked, it's just a matter of degree.

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Originally posted by empiricist:

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Originally posted by Optimus Maximus:

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Originally posted by empiricist:

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Originally posted by lunarita:
Empiricist, are you saying you think politicians should be able to use their positions and by-pass the official legal channels then?

They do so all of the time; this is hardly Watergate.

Corruption in public life.

And you think we should just ignore it?

You either clamp down on all abuses of power or none; this bout of fake outrage is politically motivated and insincere. Politicians are all crooked, it's just a matter of degree.

So we should just ignore every 'misdemeanor'?

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Originally posted by Makodragon:
Whatever happened is irrelevant now, the election is lost for McCain, all Obama needs to do is watch his step, not make any mistakes and it's probably in the bag.

I disagree - I don't think this will make any difference for those who love Palin and are voting McCain becuase of her. I doubt it'll make any difference to McCain's own supporters.

McCain apparently tired to defend Obama from his own (McCain's) supporters yesterday. He was responding to comments Obama might be an Arab (yes) and that the thought of him being president was scary. McCain said that no, he was not an Arab and said that American's have nothing to fear if Obama becomes president. He was jeered and heckled by his own supporters for saying this. He then went on to clairify saying he didn't think Obama would be the best president, else he himself wouldn't be in the race.

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Originally posted by Poko:

The world would be soooo much better if run by woman...

Like Thatcher?

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Originally posted by empiricist:
Politicians are all crooked, it's just a matter of degree.

And the degree of corruption is probably closely related to the degree of opportunity. She shouldn't be given more.

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Originally posted by plandalet:

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Originally posted by empiricist:

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Yeah right! Use faux outrage that I "insulted" you

Yet you felt the need to post that you meant no insult? If the outrage was 'faux', why do so?

No, I won't be reporting you. I'm not the school sneak and moreover it's not worth the time and effort. Nothing said here matters.

I was making an effort just in case I was wrong. Your response confirmed to me that you weren't being sincere.

That you see me as your greatest foe and attack everything I say consistently if not always accurately is flattering if rather amusing. Keep seeing just what you wish to see, keep manufacturing outrage and most of all keep on thinking that any of this matters. Thankyou for being you.

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Originally posted by empiricist:
Politicians are all crooked, it's just a matter of degree.


And the degree of corruption is probably closely related to the degree of opportunity. She shouldn't be given more

Surely then on that basis we shouldn't elect anyone?

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Originally posted by empiricist:

You either clamp down on all abuses of power or none; this bout of fake outrage is politically motivated and insincere. Politicians are all crooked, it's just a matter of degree.

What other dubious acts would you turn a blind eye to on the grounds that they are widespread or that everyone does it?

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Originally posted by lunarita:

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Originally posted by empiricist:

You either clamp down on all abuses of power or none; this bout of fake outrage is politically motivated and insincere. Politicians are all crooked, it's just a matter of degree.

What other dubious acts would you turn a blind eye to on the grounds that they are widespread or that everyone does it?

I wouldn't. I'm for prosecuting all abuses of power not just those which are politically expedient.

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Originally posted by empiricist:

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Originally posted by lunarita:

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Originally posted by empiricist:

You either clamp down on all abuses of power or none; this bout of fake outrage is politically motivated and insincere. Politicians are all crooked, it's just a matter of degree.

What other dubious acts would you turn a blind eye to on the grounds that they are widespread or that everyone does it?

I wouldn't. I'm for prosecuting all abuses of power not just those which are politically expedient.

Of course you are.

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Originally posted by lunarita:

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Originally posted by Poko:

The world would be soooo much better if run by woman...

Like Thatcher?

Not the flavour of the month. She helped put us on this road to financial ruin.

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Originally posted by empiricist:
I wouldn't. I'm for prosecuting all abuses of power not just those which are politically expedient.

So you think it's right that she was investigated? Or you think she should have got away with it just because everybody else does?

I notice someone changed the spelling in my title but it's still wrong?

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Originally posted by lunarita:

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Originally posted by empiricist:
I wouldn't. I'm for prosecuting all abuses of power not just those which are politically expedient.

So you think it's right that she was investigated? Or you think she should have got away with it just because everybody else does?

I repeat: I'm for prosecuting all abuses of power not just those which are politically expedient. It's plain enough. I object to cherry picking such investigations because it brings the whole system into disrepute.

Two wrongs still don't make a right by the way.

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I wouldn't. I'm for prosecuting all abuses of power not just those which are politically expedient.


Of course you are.

Consider me cut to the quick. No, really. Honest.

Oh, I nearly forgot the compulsory cod-sacrcastic

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Originally posted by empiricist:

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I wouldn't. I'm for prosecuting all abuses of power not just those which are politically expedient.


Of course you are.

Consider me cut to the quick. No, really. Honest.

Oh, I nearly forgot the compulsory cod-sacrcastic

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Originally posted by empiricist:
You either clamp down on all abuses of power or none; this bout of fake outrage is politically motivated and insincere. Politicians are all crooked, it's just a matter of degree.

Her support in Alaska has dropped considerably. Her opinion polls there have gone from 80% to 64%.
Don't see how this is politically motivated when the investigation was lead by Republicans- the committee is made up of 10 Republicans and 4 Democrats.

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Originally posted by Makodragon:
Whatever happened is irrelevant now, the election is lost for McCain, all Obama needs to do is watch his step, not make any mistakes and it's probably in the bag.
It explains the attack on the Obama camp with allegations of terrorism, the huge handful of mud, it was probably meant to have distracted attention from this report, only it didn't work.

I think the attacks are meant to distract from the economy. And so far, it's not working.

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Originally posted by franklee:

Don't see how this is politically motivated when the investigation was lead by Republicans- the committee is made up of 10 Republicans and 4 Democrats.

And it was underway before McCain chose her as his running mate.

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Originally posted by empiricist:

I repeat: I'm for prosecuting all abuses of power not just those which are politically expedient. It's plain enough. I object to cherry picking such investigations because it brings the whole system into disrepute.

I repeat: Do you think she should have got away with it just because corruption is widespread?

All it needs is a yes or no, but I'm sure you'll stay on your comfortable fence.

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Originally posted by lunarita:

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Originally posted by empiricist:

I repeat: I'm for prosecuting all abuses of power not just those which are politically expedient. It's plain enough. I object to cherry picking such investigations because it brings the whole system into disrepute.

I repeat: Do you think she should have got away with it just because corruption is widespread?

All it needs is a yes or no, but I'm sure you'll stay on your comfortable fence.

Don't be so sure. She should not get away with anything just like every other politician. I want a level playing field not a witch hunt.

Let me ask you a question: should La Palin alone be investigated while other politicians, no doubt guilty of appalling abuses of power, get away free because they don't happen to be a VP candidate?

How is palin "alone" being investigated? Their was evidence and the case proceeded. As it turned out the alegations where TRUE she did abuse her power.

Should she get away without a investigation into serious charges because she is a VP candidate?

This is politics, nothing is perfect. If your going to wait until every last detail is perfect before favoring people who abuse their power are investigated then we might as well give up.

She isn't alone in being investigated and she is guilty. What else is their to say?

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Originally posted by empiricist:

Two wrongs still don't make a right by the way.

But are two wrongs righter than a right and a wrong?