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That's not an answer.
Why do the actions of US and UK governments make you want to murder Tibetan men, women and children?
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quote: Originally posted by Optimus Maximus:
That's not an answer.
Why do the actions of US and UK governments make you want to murder Tibetan men, women and children?
They have WMD stored inside Lamaland !!! |
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Why don't you email me, this topic is getting bogged down like a US soldier in Iraq. Let's leave it open for the others ...............
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Night night Brickshu  |
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quote: Originally posted by Optimus Maximus: Night night Brickshu
jóutáu |
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quote: Originally posted by Brickshu:
THe Chinese should have done what Britain and the US did to the Iraqis. China should send its version of daisycutters to the heart of Tibet ......
China should do what America did with FALN.Brand them a terrorist entity,assassinate their leaders and stick loads more in jail for over 25 years and counting.What China needs is a war on terror against the evil doing Tibetan insurgents. We should do the same thing we did with East Timor.When they started talking Independence Indonesia invaded killing 1/4 of the population and we gave Suharto the loans so they could by our weapons systems and aircraft.We even trained their Kopassus for him so they could brutalize peasants.Then our media hide it away from us because Suharto was our boy who allowed us access to all the mineral wealth and all the while the Great British people said absolutely nothing.Suharto a man responsible for 1/2 a million deaths in his own country and 1/4 million in another dies peacefully in his sleep of old age and gets a state funeral.One mans freedom fighter is another mans murdering fascist pig. |
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quote: Originally posted by Janner Bob: quote: Originally posted by Brickshu:
THe Chinese should have done what Britain and the US did to the Iraqis. China should send its version of daisycutters to the heart of Tibet ......
China should do what America did with FALN.Brand them a terrorist entity,assassinate their leaders and stick loads more in jail for over 25 years and counting.What China needs is a war on terror against the evil doing Tibetan insurgents. We should do the same thing we did with East Timor.When they started talking Independence Indonesia invaded killing 1/4 of the population and we gave Suharto the loans so they could by our weapons systems and aircraft.We even trained their Kopassus for him so they could brutalize peasants.Then our media hide it away from us because Suharto was our boy who allowed us access to all the mineral wealth and all the while the Great British people said absolutely nothing.Suharto a man responsible for 1/2 a million deaths in his own country and 1/4 million in another dies peacefully in his sleep of old age and gets a state funeral.One mans freedom fighter is another mans murdering fascist pig.
China will never do what America do. First she doesnt have the international power yet. second its against our principle of dealing conflict. |
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Here is a interesting article written by a Westerner with considerable local knowledge of the Region. Its recommended reading. Here's the link Myth and Reality |
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quote: Originally posted by Optimus Maximus: quote: Originally posted by Brickshu:
Actually, it was Britain and the US that lied to the whole world with all these wars and the run up to it by various propaganda.
And who exactly is denying that? And how exactly does it bear on any other issue? If I get a speeding ticket tomorrow should I use that as my defence?
they didnt denying. They just ignore. The ignorance of reporting the both side upset Chinese people. Has British propaganda ever reported positive society changes in China. For my 5 years living experience in UK, I cant see that. Everytime they report the negetive side, human right no imporved fast enough, enviroment issue no addressed.. etc. Always with a BUT. Human right been improved dramaticaly in last 20 years. Its just not as good as UK standard. But remember China is still a developing country and its has its mission to improve living standard frist. Lift people out of proverty. 400 million people out of proverty, are there any western media gave credit for China's work? NO.... People always say the first bucket of gold is generated with blood and sweat. All western developed countries' first bucket of gold is base on invade and slavery. China use a much more civilised way to help its people, but its just not as civilised as CURRENT developed countries' standard . Then they criticse we are doing wrong, that is what called double standard. If they have a deep analysis and give objective report. give credit that China done a temendouse job to imporve her people living condition and also encourge China to imporve further more for these rural areas. Then I believe China will listen. At the moment, what western media do is just insult China and let her close the door further. I think its by far the biggest mistake western media done. LAST, I want to complian that C4 even broadcast a such un-objective and narrow minded program. |
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the pro china posters identify marxist leninism with china. the reality is if the chinese people had a choice they would not have their marxist leninist jailers in power.
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quote: Originally posted by concertpianist:
the pro china posters identify marxist leninism with china. the reality is if the chinese people had a choice they would not have their marxist leninist jailers in power.
I feel that you dont understand marxist leninism, or you just know small part of marxist leninism. Tell me, if there is any wrong in marxist leninism first? Its a good dream that everybody has same rights and everybody can share evenly. In China, there are still village live on this principle. They done quite well and nearly all of them are millionaire. You know that?? Serach Hua xi Cun in google. They are the richest villiage in China and they use marxist leninism principle. It just because it cant apply to a large scale like country because it against the bad sins of human being. I say only less than 0.001% human are angel which will apply marxist leninism without any changes. The topdown controlling eventually harm the people at the bottom , which is the majority. Dont think Chinese didnt relise that. All the current policy are work torwards the poors, but not the riches. They are trying to balance the two groups. If you dont know the Chinese history and current China. You better do a objective search, study and then open up your mouth. |
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Last I just want to say something more before dive into the work.
1. About the protest and roit. Use police force to control roiter is perfect OK in any country. Without a question.
2. the shotting or possible tortue happens at the very bottom level. I dont think top leadership know much about that. There are too many levels until the information reach to the top leaders and everybody LIES.
3. Why China is so sensitive at the moment is the timing. Olympic game is coming and stable is above everything.
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the wealth is coming from denying human rights and ignoring environmental standards the 'civilised world' is obliged to trade by. that is marxist leninism. To trade in the uk in the same way china does would be illegal.
the wealth is coming from denying a free press to investigate corruption.that is marxist leninism.
tyrants across the world [some supported by china] are successful at making money but does that make it superior system?
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quote: Originally posted by concertpianist:
the wealth is coming from denying human rights and ignoring environmental standards the 'civilised world' is obliged to trade by. that is marxist leninism. To trade in the uk in the same way china does would be illegal.
the wealth is coming from denying a free press to investigate corruption.that is marxist leninism.
tyrants across the world [some supported by china] are successful at making money but does that make it superior system?
How narrow minded and not realistic. 1 How many countries are not same as UK standard.I think 90% of countries on the earth is not as good standard as UK. Your good living and human right standard is base on what you Ancestors' bloody invade and slavery. We use a much more civilised way to get the first bucket of gold! And about the enviroment issue, first it mainly caused by produce products for your western people. Second, if you calculated pollution per person, UK, US are 4-5 times more than China. Third, the current envrioment problem is caused NOT by China, is caused by industrial countires like UK, US 30-80 years ago. 2.Corruption is a even more internal issue and goverment has a special body to investigate. Actual one of Hu's key policy is attack corruption and very successful. 3. I didnt say its a superior system. I said its a good dream, but it against seven sins of human being and not realistic and can not apply to large scale like a country. I said China recoginse the issue and use policy to address the issue. |
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quote: Originally posted by scott906: quote: Originally posted by concertpianist:
the wealth is coming from denying human rights and ignoring environmental standards the 'civilised world' is obliged to trade by. that is marxist leninism. To trade in the uk in the same way china does would be illegal.
the wealth is coming from denying a free press to investigate corruption.that is marxist leninism.
tyrants across the world [some supported by china] are successful at making money but does that make it superior system?
How narrow minded and not realistic. 1 How many countries are not same as UK standard.I think 90% of countries on the earth is not as good standard as UK. Your good living and human right standard is base on what you Ancestors' bloody invade and slavery. We use a much more civilised way to get the first bucket of gold! And about the enviroment issue, first it mainly caused by produce products for your western people. Second, if you calculated pollution per person, UK, US are 4-5 times more than China. Third, the current envrioment problem is caused NOT by China, is caused by industrial countires like UK, US 30-80 years ago. 2.Corruption is a even more internal issue and goverment has a special body to investigate. Actual one of Hu's key policy is attack corruption and very successful. 3. I didnt say its a superior system. I said its a good dream, but it against seven sins of human being and not realistic and can not apply to large scale like a country. I said China recoginse the issue and use policy to address the issue.
Scott906 – I think you have defended your country admirably so don’t waist any more of your time explaining to some of the ignorant hypocrites we have on this forum. You could give them all the reasoned argument you can but they would just come back with the same old tripe time after time. They know nothing of their own history of how they got to where there are today or choose to ignore it because they think it all happened so long ago that it doesn’t apply to them anymore that they feel no shame lecturing to others while striding across the world on their moral high horse. You would think a people as steeped in the blood of others over the centuries would be a little bit quieter about the evils of others, and as a Brit I sometime feel a deep embarrassment when I see my countryman going to China and lecture them on their human rights. Our amnesia induced hypocrisies is built into our DNA so please ignore it like you would a turrets sufferer. |
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quote: Originally posted by scott906:
they didnt denying. They just ignore. The ignorance of reporting the both side upset Chinese people. Has British propaganda ever reported positive society changes in China. For my 5 years living experience in UK, I cant see that. Everytime they report the negetive side, human right no imporved fast enough, enviroment issue no addressed.. etc. Always with a BUT. Human right been improved dramaticaly in last 20 years. Its just not as good as UK standard. But remember China is still a developing country and its has its mission to improve living standard frist. Lift people out of proverty. 400 million people out of proverty, are there any western media gave credit for China's work? NO.... People always say the first bucket of gold is generated with blood and sweat. All western developed countries' first bucket of gold is base on invade and slavery. China use a much more civilised way to help its people, but its just not as civilised as CURRENT developed countries' standard . Then they criticse we are doing wrong, that is what called double standard. If they have a deep analysis and give objective report. give credit that China done a temendouse job to imporve her people living condition and also encourge China to imporve further more for these rural areas. Then I believe China will listen. At the moment, what western media do is just insult China and let her close the door further. I think its by far the biggest mistake western media done.
LAST, I want to complian that C4 even broadcast a such un-objective and narrow minded program.
I understand what you're saying scott, but I think it's unrealistic to expect people to simply ignore problems that exist now. Especially when the problems are entirely man made. I also acknowledge what you're saying about the development of already-developed countries. I know our countries had poor human rights, poor workers rights and exploited others during their development. I also acknowledge that our governments and businesses are still up to no good in many ways. Maybe it's a cultural thing, but I would rather we all identified problems, acknowledged them and tried to deal with them, whether they are problems in China, the US, the UK, Zimbabwe or anywhere else. Covering up problems and trying to pretend they don't exist simply allows the people responsible to continue what they're doing. Now, you have acknowledged that there are problems and that things are changing - and that you want them to change. I applaud that. But would you acknowledge that some other Chinese posters on this forum appear to think absolutely everything is fine and people have nothing to complain about? I'm very pleased with your attitude - it's realistic and honest - but I'm not going to simply ignore the jingoism and justification of abuses coming from other posters. |
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quote: Originally posted by scott906:
Last I just want to say something more before dive into the work.
1. About the protest and roit. Use police force to control roiter is perfect OK in any country. Without a question.
Yes, but that depends on the level of force used and the reason for the riots. It is unlikely there would have been riots if Tibetans were allowed to freely voice their opinions without the threat of imprisonment. Also there has been a lot of disagreement over the level of violence both by the protesters and by the police. As usual, restricting information only makes the authorities look bad. 100+ deaths would be absolutely unacceptable. Even the 20 or so that the authorities admit to really isn't acceptable. quote: 2. the shotting or possible tortue happens at the very bottom level. I dont think top leadership know much about that. There are too many levels until the information reach to the top leaders and everybody LIES.
Quite possibly, but then it's imperative that the top leaders do something about it instead of trying to cover it up - that only makes them look complicit. quote: 3. Why China is so sensitive at the moment is the timing. Olympic game is coming and stable is above everything.
I'm afraid that their actions will almost certainly prove counterproductive. There is a lot of pressure for change coming from many directions. Trying to bottle it all up and pretend everything is fine is likely to result in an explosion. In reference to your previous posts, the Chinese government is already losing massive amounts of face because of this. They need to try a different approach. |
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quote: Originally posted by scott906:
1 How many countries are not same as UK standard.I think 90% of countries on the earth is not as good standard as UK. Your good living and human right standard is base on what you Ancestors' bloody invade and slavery. We use a much more civilised way to get the first bucket of gold! And about the enviroment issue, first it mainly caused by produce products for your western people. Second, if you calculated pollution per person, UK, US are 4-5 times more than China. Third, the current envrioment problem is caused NOT by China, is caused by industrial countires like UK, US 30-80 years ago.
2.Corruption is a even more internal issue and goverment has a special body to investigate. Actual one of Hu's key policy is attack corruption and very successful.
3. I didnt say its a superior system. I said its a good dream, but it against seven sins of human being and not realistic and can not apply to large scale like a country. I said China recoginse the issue and use policy to address the issue.
All valid points. |
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I rather enjoyed the programme - it confirms the stories I have heard from those who managed to escape the persecution that is widespread in occupied Tibet.
Rather sad to see agents of the Chinese state all over the internet dissing this programme, though: trust none have got on the Forum here.
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quote: Originally posted by LeeGee:
I rather enjoyed the programme - it confirms the stories I have heard from those who managed to escape the persecution that is widespread in occupied Tibet.
Rather sad to see agents of the Chinese state all over the internet dissing this programme, though: trust none have got on the Forum here.
I'm afraid I think are indeed on this forum. |
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quote: Originally posted by LeeGee:
I rather enjoyed the programme - it confirms the stories I have heard from those who managed to escape the persecution that is widespread in occupied Tibet.
Rather sad to see agents of the Chinese state all over the internet dissing this programme, though: trust none have got on the Forum here.
Big fan of David Icke? Tibet's part of China, Iraq's an occupation! |
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quote: Originally posted by LeeGee:
I rather enjoyed the programme - it confirms the stories I have heard from those who managed to escape the persecution that is widespread in occupied Tibet.
Rather sad to see agents of the Chinese state all over the internet dissing this programme, though: trust none have got on the Forum here.
What typical cold war scenario. Agents?? get a life. I am sure none of people are agents for chinese goverment. Dont think our love to our country is something need be paid by goverment. You actually insult me very much!!! |
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