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I never confuse faith and race.

I have no time for people who make religion the reason or excuse for anything that they do. Faith should be a private matter between a person and their god.

Sectarianism in Scotland is much more to do with football than it is faith!!

Just as issues surrounding Islam have little or nothing to do with faith itself, and far more to do with the "flaunting" of it.

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I'm RC and have no problen you disliking my faith - however in certain circles I will defend it - Sectarianism in NI and parts of scotland is really a racial issue.

Islam is not for me - I think being anti a faith is acceptable - or is it me?

We are made to believe that we are obligated to 'respect' all faiths. Why? Surely we are free to dislike a faith when its tenets go against our personal moral and ethical codes or we believe that faith is a threat to our wellbeing?

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Mable

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Originally posted by miss_allin:
I'm RC and have no problen you disliking my faith - however in certain circles I will defend it - Sectarianism in NI and parts of scotland is really a racial issue.

Islam is not for me - I think being anti a faith is acceptable - or is it me?

We are made to believe that we are obligated to 'respect' all faiths. Why? Surely we are free to dislike a faith when its tenets go against our personal moral and ethical codes or we believe that faith is a threat to our wellbeing?

I think that is acceptable. There isn't one organised religion which I have any respect for.

However, some people do dress up racysm/xenophobia, as a religious objection. It happens regularly on here!

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Originally posted by empiricist:
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Originally posted by miss_allin:
I'm RC and have no problen you disliking my faith - however in certain circles I will defend it - Sectarianism in NI and parts of scotland is really a racial issue.

Islam is not for me - I think being anti a faith is acceptable - or is it me?

We are made to believe that we are obligated to 'respect' all faiths. Why? Surely we are free to dislike a faith when its tenets go against our personal moral and ethical codes or we believe that faith is a threat to our wellbeing?

I think that is acceptable. There isn't one organised religion which I have any respect for.

However, some people do dress up racysm/xenophobia, as a religious objection. It happens regularly on here!

That is indeed true.

The Nazis also did it in Germany. They delibaretely used racial terms to define the followers of Judaism. This meant that even former Jews who had converted to Christianity could also be persecuted under race laws.

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However, some people do dress up racysm/xenophobia, as a religious objection. It happens regularly on here!

I don't think that is fair comment at all. It is your own perception that objections made,......... to certain religious groups who flaunt their religion, and even go so far as to want to "destroy" those who are not part of that religion,..........are raycist.

I don't perceive that at all. What I see is people who are concerned at the rate in which one particular religion is growing in this country. And given the fact that that religion has been proven to have extreme factions, who are prepared to carry out terrorist attacks to make a point, I think it is perfectly acceptable to feel concerned.

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However, some people do dress up racysm/xenophobia, as a religious objection. It happens regularly on here!

I don't think that is fair comment at all. It is your own perception that objections made,......... to certain religious groups who flaunt their religion, and even go so far as to want to "destroy" those who are not part of that religion,..........are raycist.

I don't perceive that at all. What I see is people who are concerned at the rate in which one particular religion is growing in this country. And given the fact that that religion has been proven to have extreme factions, who are prepared to carry out terrorist attacks to make a point, I think it is perfectly acceptable to feel concerned.

Ah yes those extremist Christians. Extremists

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Can you link to the last 5 christian terrorist attack which took place on UK soil please Nick?

Thanks in advance.

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Can you link to the last 5 christian terrorist attack which took place on UK soil please Nick?

Thanks in advance.

Well I guess I could link to Loyalist bigots in north of Ireland - but maybe it's a bit too much to link that to religion. But my link just shows that terrorist extremists are not the sole preserve of only one religion. As well you know.

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Mable

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Originally posted by hardwon:
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However, some people do dress up racysm/xenophobia, as a religious objection. It happens regularly on here!

I don't think that is fair comment at all. It is your own perception that objections made,......... to certain religious groups who flaunt their religion, and even go so far as to want to "destroy" those who are not part of that religion,..........are raycist.

I don't perceive that at all. What I see is people who are concerned at the rate in which one particular religion is growing in this country. And given the fact that that religion has been proven to have extreme factions, who are prepared to carry out terrorist attacks to make a point, I think it is perfectly acceptable to feel concerned.

Hate to say it, the whole thing was dragged down to a dicussion about how many generations it took for a family to become British. 700 years was stated at one point. It was also proposed that a person needed native-born grandparents to be British.

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Mable

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Can you link to the last 5 christian terrorist attack which took place on UK soil please Nick?

Thanks in advance.

Remember, remember, the fith of November...

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Can you link to the last 5 christian terrorist attack which took place on UK soil please Nick?

Thanks in advance.

Remember, remember, the fith of November...

Goodness! when that is the best you can do, you know you have no hope of winning any debate.

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Well I guess I could link to Loyalist bigots in north of Ireland - but maybe it's a bit too much to link that to religion. But my link just shows that terrorist extremists are not the sole preserve of only one religion. As well you know.

I'm unaware that I ever suggested extremism was the sole preserve of any one religion?

My contention is that we are welcoming people who practice the Islamic faith, into this country, factions of whom are willing to carry out acts of terrorism and violence against us.

That is an indisputable fact.

[You are right about one thing though:- it is way too much of a syretch to suggest that "Loyalists" were acting in the name of any religion!]

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Originally posted by hardwon:
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Originally posted by Nick14:

Well I guess I could link to Loyalist bigots in north of Ireland - but maybe it's a bit too much to link that to religion. But my link just shows that terrorist extremists are not the sole preserve of only one religion. As well you know.

I'm unaware that I ever suggested extremism was the sole preserve of any one religion?

My contention is that we are welcoming people who practice the Islamic faith, into this country, factions of whom are willing to carry out acts of terrorism and violence against us.

That is an indisputable fact.

[You are right about one thing though:- it is way too much of a syretch to suggest that "Loyalists" were acting in the name of any religion!]

But just because some Muslims are terrorists (as are some Christians, and some Sikhs, and some Jews) that does not mean we should stop all immigrants if they practice the Islamic faith. I work with several Muslims none of them are violent, or threatening, or imposing.

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Old Soul

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Originally posted by miss_allin:
I'm RC and have no problen you disliking my faith - however in certain circles I will defend it - Sectarianism in NI and parts of scotland is really a racial issue.

Islam is not for me - I think being anti a faith is acceptable - or is it me?

I am agnostic but am very much anti organised religion. I am anti forcing children to be of one religion too.

I am not anti "faith" as such

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Originally posted by Mable:
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Originally posted by empiricist:
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Originally posted by miss_allin:
I'm RC and have no problen you disliking my faith - however in certain circles I will defend it - Sectarianism in NI and parts of scotland is really a racial issue.

Islam is not for me - I think being anti a faith is acceptable - or is it me?

We are made to believe that we are obligated to 'respect' all faiths. Why? Surely we are free to dislike a faith when its tenets go against our personal moral and ethical codes or we believe that faith is a threat to our wellbeing?

I think that is acceptable. There isn't one organised religion which I have any respect for.

ditto

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ho_ho_ho

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Originally posted by miss_allin:
I'm RC and have no problen you disliking my faith - however in certain circles I will defend it - Sectarianism in NI and parts of scotland is really a racial issue.

Islam is not for me - I think being anti a faith is acceptable - or is it me?

I am agnostic but am very much anti organised religion. I am anti forcing children to be of one religion too.

I am not anti "faith" as such

No problem with faith, it is a great trait of humans. The terrible trait is to confuse religion with faith, when it is a political tool.

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