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Originally posted by Odins_Raven:

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Originally posted by The Magnetist:
I have seen many of these under-occupied houses. The woman next door is in her late 60's and has a three story house to herself. She is not unusual around here. In any case, youngsters could not afford to buy the house even if she did 'downgrade' as it would be astonishingly expensive. However, she would have got it for a song when she was younger.

I believe that many such people are preventing the young from having sensible homes.

But isn't it her right to live there? Houses like many things owned by a family hold many memories and I don't think people should be expected to leave to ease the way for others. What about the other pointless things that old people hoard and don't need like cash, jewellery, cars etc should they sell that too??

The memories the young will reflect on is the squalid BTL dumps they had to bring their children up in because their 'elders and betters' did a raid on the countries wealth, aided and abetted by the Banks.

LOL a little extreme. I think that you will find that a good percentage of our 'elders' had to start off in the squalid BLT dumps and moved up the property ladder like most people have too. Whether you were fortunate enough to purchase at a good time and are able to move quicker up the ladder is irrelevant the simple fact is that property for most of us has many rungs which is why it is called the ladder if we could all just move into our ideal home it would just be called a step.

Not BTL dumps... Council houses. The young did not have this option and did not get 'sitting tenancy' rights that offered them cheap houses when they decided to cash in their tenancy. Today's kids get nothing but the 'pleasure' knowing that someone older is getting their hard-earned cash. This is called 'trickle up'...

The 'ladder' you speak of is above a steel ceiling that most of the young cannot see, let along reach the first step.

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immigration is the problem and the government cover it up.

Would you force an old person who in there life time has helped made Britain work give up there house to a family turning up from pakistan. Would not go down well with the persons family and more Brits could leave. You could also argue the reason they live alone is through the broken society caused by immigration.

Government policy destroy Britain

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Originally posted by Odins_Raven:

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Originally posted by The Magnetist:

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Originally posted by Odins_Raven:

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Originally posted by The Magnetist:

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Originally posted by Odins_Raven:

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Originally posted by The Magnetist:
I have seen many of these under-occupied houses. The woman next door is in her late 60's and has a three story house to herself. She is not unusual around here. In any case, youngsters could not afford to buy the house even if she did 'downgrade' as it would be astonishingly expensive. However, she would have got it for a song when she was younger.

I believe that many such people are preventing the young from having sensible homes.

But isn't it her right to live there? Houses like many things owned by a family hold many memories and I don't think people should be expected to leave to ease the way for others. What about the other pointless things that old people hoard and don't need like cash, jewellery, cars etc should they sell that too??

The memories the young will reflect on is the squalid BTL dumps they had to bring their children up in because their 'elders and betters' did a raid on the countries wealth, aided and abetted by the Banks.

LOL a little extreme. I think that you will find that a good percentage of our 'elders' had to start off in the squalid BLT dumps and moved up the property ladder like most people have too. Whether you were fortunate enough to purchase at a good time and are able to move quicker up the ladder is irrelevant the simple fact is that property for most of us has many rungs which is why it is called the ladder if we could all just move into our ideal home it would just be called a step.

Not BTL dumps... Council houses. The young did not have this option and did not get 'sitting tenancy' rights that offered them cheap houses when they decided to cash in their tenancy. Today's kids get nothing but the 'pleasure' knowing that someone older is getting their hard-earned cash. This is called 'trickle up'...

The 'ladder' you speak of is above a steel ceiling that most of the young cannot see, let along reach the first step.

I would disagree, haveing recently and finally got myself on the ladder the same old route to moving up it still applies today like it always have; nothing has changed (for what I can tell)

But council property is only a small portion of the houses that are currently up for offer, and cannot constitute the cause of the current level of house prices nor the amount of people sitting on vacant / 2nd properties.

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in the street where i live,there are 18 three bedroom houses.ex council.
in 8 of those houses there lives 1 person aged between 65-80.
in another 3 there is a single person per house who are working.
so 11 out of 18 three bedroom houses are occupied by 1 person per house.
if this is a nationwide phenomenon then its no wonder theres a housing shortage.
if we build 3 million more houses as the govt want.
will 2 million be taken by single people?.

Try addressing the source of the problem and not targeting old-age pensioners. 650K new people came into our country last year, our pensioners come first. I have a 5-bed for me and my wife, when we get old will you turf us out?

If you take in 4 lodgers you would be helping society and earning a crust.

Having such a large house to yourself is inefficient.

Pensioners already come first. The have benefited from the good years and now wish to prevent the young for having anything. However, they want the young (including young immigrants) to support them in their old age via their taxes and the 'sweat of their brow'.

I would not object but the system is transferring wealth from the young to the old/rich regardless of the young's ability to pay.

Talk about 'thinking the world owes them a living', the Baby Boomers want it all.

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I choose to live well, in an area that is free from the ills of our new imposed society. I worked hard and pay loads, perhaps my 30K tax a year is helping society?

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I choose to live well, in an area that is free from the ills of our new imposed society. I worked hard and pay loads, perhaps my 30K tax a year is helping society?

I'm alright Jack. Let them eat cake.

If you pay £30k in tax you must be taking much more than that out of the system so I would not go all philanthropic on me. If you gave away an extra £30k I might be impressed. You are just paying your dues and I am sure you are well compensated for it.

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One thing is for sure if I lived in a smaller house I would invest the difference in more property.

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I choose to live well, in an area that is free from the ills of our new imposed society. I worked hard and pay loads, perhaps my 30K tax a year is helping society?

I'm alright Jack. Let them eat cake.

If you pay £30k in tax you must be taking much more than that out of the system so I would not go all philanthropic on me. If you gave away an extra £30k I might be impressed. You are just paying your dues and I am sure you are well compensated for it.

One thing is for sure if I lived in a smaller house I would invest the difference in more property. I never complain about tax and yes I'm alright Jack. Do tell me what is wrong with looking after ones own interests? Anyone would do the same, present company excepted

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I never understand why people complain about crime or 'terrorism' when their actions are collectively destroying the country of our birth just through pure greed.

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I never understand why people complain about crime or 'terrorism' when their actions are collectively destroying the country of our birth just through pure greed.

Our country is being destroyed by importation of millions of people we cannot support.

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I never understand why people complain about crime or 'terrorism' when their actions are collectively destroying the country of our birth just through pure greed.

Our country is being destroyed by importation of millions of people we cannot support.

Really. And how many rich business men would be able to make all of their lovely money without cheap immigrant workers?

Perhaps if we 'sent them back to their own country' our workers could have a large hike in wages to allow them to live decently.

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How can it be overvalued if there is a shortage?

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Originally posted by The Magnetist:

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Originally posted by Bonmot:

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Originally posted by The Magnetist:
I never understand why people complain about crime or 'terrorism' when their actions are collectively destroying the country of our birth just through pure greed.

Our country is being destroyed by importation of millions of people we cannot support.

Really. And how many rich business men would be able to make all of their lovely money without cheap immigrant workers?

Perhaps if we 'sent them back to their own country' our workers could have a large hike in wages to allow them to live decently.

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Originally posted by Bonmot:
How can it be overvalued if there is a shortage?

The value of something is determined by the price that someone is willing to pay for it. Clearly with average house prices at around 170k and average incomes at 25k people are not willing to pay the prices being asked.

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Originally posted by Bonmot:

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Originally posted by The Magnetist:
I never understand why people complain about crime or 'terrorism' when their actions are collectively destroying the country of our birth just through pure greed.

Our country is being destroyed by importation of millions of people we cannot support.

Really. And how many rich business men would be able to make all of their lovely money without cheap immigrant workers?

Perhaps if we 'sent them back to their own country' our workers could have a large hike in wages to allow them to live decently.

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Originally posted by Bonmot:

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Originally posted by lostinfrance:

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Originally posted by Bonmot:
How can it be overvalued if there is a shortage?

The value of something is determined by the price that someone is willing to pay for it. Clearly with average house prices at around 170k and average incomes at 25k people are not willing to pay the prices being asked.

Not so, the lenders determine that they cannot buy.

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Originally posted by Bonmot:
How can it be overvalued if there is a shortage?

The value of something is determined by the price that someone is willing to pay for it. Clearly with average house prices at around 170k and average incomes at 25k people are not willing to pay the prices being asked.

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Originally posted by Bonmot:
How can it be overvalued if there is a shortage?

The value of something is determined by the price that someone is willing to pay for it. Clearly with average house prices at around 170k and average incomes at 25k people are not willing to pay the prices being asked.