Originally posted by dandini: visiting relatives in Glasgow recently and they told me of their 7 year old daughter who attends a Catholic school and muslim pupil informed the 7 year old that Jesus Christ was not really god that Allah is. I think it would be better to explain to the Muslim child that she is living in a Country where the majority of the people do not share with the Muslim faith but that is what her parents are teaching her. Tolerance has to come from all groups and not just the indigenous majority with modern outlook on life.
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Jesus Christ was not really god that Allah is
Since when has Jesus been God.God is God and Allah is the very same God.Muslims believe that Allah is omnipotent,omniscient,all perceiving,and the creator of everything.Do you think they might be talking about the same God your friends daughter believes in.We should stop finding differences and look at the Islamic and Christian similarities.The same prophets are in both books.God,Allah whats the difference,there is only one of them so they must be the same entity.Would it not be a darn sight easier to tell a 7 year old that Muslims just call god by a different name.Arab speaking christians call God Allah because in Arabic it is standard translation for God.We seem hellbent on causing divisions even in children and that is really sad.
To Christians Jesus is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
I suggest you reread your basic trinitarian theology.
Nope, I'm happy in what I believe in and in the Catholic faith that I follow and was taught to me. I don't seek or need others to believe as I do.
Then you must have been asleep during theology classes. Jesus is identified solely with God the Son.
Originally posted by dandini: visiting relatives in Glasgow recently and they told me of their 7 year old daughter who attends a Catholic school and muslim pupil informed the 7 year old that Jesus Christ was not really god that Allah is. I think it would be better to explain to the Muslim child that she is living in a Country where the majority of the people do not share with the Muslim faith but that is what her parents are teaching her. Tolerance has to come from all groups and not just the indigenous majority with modern outlook on life.
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Jesus Christ was not really god that Allah is
Since when has Jesus been God.God is God and Allah is the very same God.Muslims believe that Allah is omnipotent,omniscient,all perceiving,and the creator of everything.Do you think they might be talking about the same God your friends daughter believes in.We should stop finding differences and look at the Islamic and Christian similarities.The same prophets are in both books.God,Allah whats the difference,there is only one of them so they must be the same entity.Would it not be a darn sight easier to tell a 7 year old that Muslims just call god by a different name.Arab speaking christians call God Allah because in Arabic it is standard translation for God.We seem hellbent on causing divisions even in children and that is really sad.
To Christians Jesus is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
I suggest you reread your basic trinitarian theology.
Nope, I'm happy in what I believe in and in the Catholic faith that I follow and was taught to me. I don't seek or need others to believe as I do.
Then you must have been asleep during theology classes. Jesus is identified solely with God the Son.
Probbly was - Even so it is a basic tenet of most Christian denominations, my own Catholicism included, that Jesus is three in one - God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.
Originally posted by dandini: visiting relatives in Glasgow recently and they told me of their 7 year old daughter who attends a Catholic school and muslim pupil informed the 7 year old that Jesus Christ was not really god that Allah is. I think it would be better to explain to the Muslim child that she is living in a Country where the majority of the people do not share with the Muslim faith but that is what her parents are teaching her. Tolerance has to come from all groups and not just the indigenous majority with modern outlook on life.
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Jesus Christ was not really god that Allah is
Since when has Jesus been God.God is God and Allah is the very same God.Muslims believe that Allah is omnipotent,omniscient,all perceiving,and the creator of everything.Do you think they might be talking about the same God your friends daughter believes in.We should stop finding differences and look at the Islamic and Christian similarities.The same prophets are in both books.God,Allah whats the difference,there is only one of them so they must be the same entity.Would it not be a darn sight easier to tell a 7 year old that Muslims just call god by a different name.Arab speaking christians call God Allah because in Arabic it is standard translation for God.We seem hellbent on causing divisions even in children and that is really sad.
To Christians Jesus is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
I suggest you reread your basic trinitarian theology.
Nope, I'm happy in what I believe in and in the Catholic faith that I follow and was taught to me. I don't seek or need others to believe as I do.
Then you must have been asleep during theology classes. Jesus is identified solely with God the Son.
Probbly was - Even so it is a basic tenet of most Christian denominations, my own Catholicism included, that Jesus is three in one - God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.
Then I'm afraid whoever taught you is close to what most christians would consider heresy.
Yes he hasn't produced any evidence and yet again the muslims haven't started anything but are being forced to "justify their very existence" AGAIN!
I've noticed how thretened Christians feel by muslims on a competition issue! I've met christians who see islam as competition and treat it as such! Pathetic! Muslims don;t do that as many christian prophets are also prohpets in islam but some christians have to take the outragous them and us attitude!
No doubt "Michael" Nazir Ali has done this to try and get accepted by those who don't accept him! I can see/read it all a mile off!
Probably was - Even so it is a basic tenet of most Christian denominations, my own Catholicism included, that Jesus is three in one - God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.[/QUOTE]
Then I'm afraid whoever taught you is close to what most christians would consider heresy.[/QUOTE]
Nope. You can't be guilty of heresy if you profess the Catholic faith. It is the original Christian church, found by the Apostle Peter.
Probably was - Even so it is a basic tenet of most Christian denominations, my own Catholicism included, that Jesus is three in one - God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.
Then I'm afraid whoever taught you is close to what most christians would consider heresy.
Nope. You can't be guilty of heresy if you profess the Catholic faith. It is the original Christian church, found by the Apostle Peter.
My point is that what you've stated is not standard catholic teaching. If you're a catholic I suggest you do some remedial reading on the theology of your own faith instead of depending on half-remember stuff you remember someone saying ages ago.
Probably was - Even so it is a basic tenet of most Christian denominations, my own Catholicism included, that Jesus is three in one - God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.
Then I'm afraid whoever taught you is close to what most christians would consider heresy.
Nope. You can't be guilty of heresy if you profess the Catholic faith. It is the original Christian church, found by the Apostle Peter.
My point is that what you've stated is not standard catholic teaching. If you're a catholic I suggest you do some remedial reading on the theology of your own faith instead of depending on half-remember stuff you remember someone saying ages ago.
I agree with the personal relationship to your Almighty.
I do not agree with people who claim that Allah is omnipotent and omniscient.....
Then turn around and say....
heresy....God is not ...whatever.
Why the heck are humans spending so much time limiting something supposedly that powerful???
Originally posted by THE DECIDER: Yes the Bishop is scaremongering!
Yes he is another stirrer!!!!!
Yes he is being islamophobic!
Yes he hasn't produced any evidence and yet again the muslims haven't started anything but are being forced to "justify their very existence" AGAIN!
I've noticed how thretened Christians feel by muslims on a competition issue! I've met christians who see islam as competition and treat it as such! Pathetic! Muslims don;t do that as many christian prophets are also prohpets in islam but some christians have to take the outragous them and us attitude!
No doubt "Michael" Nazir Ali has done this to try and get accepted by those who don't accept him! I can see/read it all a mile off!
Muslims are told not to take jews and christians as friends so he does have a point. There are large islamic ghettos especially up north. He's entitled not to support this as many others don't. Look at Malmo in sweden too, being turned into an islamic city
Originally posted by THE DECIDER: Yes the Bishop is scaremongering!
Yes he is another stirrer!!!!!
Yes he is being islamophobic!
Yes he hasn't produced any evidence and yet again the muslims haven't started anything but are being forced to "justify their very existence" AGAIN!
I've noticed how thretened Christians feel by muslims on a competition issue! I've met christians who see islam as competition and treat it as such! Pathetic! Muslims don;t do that as many christian prophets are also prohpets in islam but some christians have to take the outragous them and us attitude!
No doubt "Michael" Nazir Ali has done this to try and get accepted by those who don't accept him! I can see/read it all a mile off!
Islamaphobic is what any tolerant, right minded person is when they understand what Islam stands for.
Fools like you with your oh so liberal PC rants, based on no facts, sleepwalk while a religion that has more in common with the BNP than with Christianity grows like a cancer.
Originally posted by thenegus: My point is that what you've stated is not standard catholic teaching. If you're a catholic I suggest you do some remedial reading on the theology of your own faith instead of depending on half-remember stuff you remember someone saying ages ago.
I know it has been a long time, but I was not aware that the concept of the Holy Trinity had been abolished. When did this happen?
Originally posted by thenegus: My point is that what you've stated is not standard catholic teaching. If you're a catholic I suggest you do some remedial reading on the theology of your own faith instead of depending on half-remember stuff you remember someone saying ages ago.
I know it has been a long time, but I was not aware that the concept of the Holy Trinity had been abolished. When did this happen?
It hasn't. If you'd read carefully you'd see that what I'm arguing about is the identification of Jesus with all three aspects of the trinity.
Originally posted by thenegus: It hasn't. If you'd read carefully you'd see that what I'm arguing about is the identification of Jesus with all three aspects of the trinity.
Is that so? The whole point of the 'Holy Trinity' is that it is 'three divine persons' in one - they are indivisible aspects of the same divinity. Much as in Hinduism, I think. Anyhoo, you may choose to identify Jesus which only one aspect of the trinity, but you are incorrect.
According to doctrine "God" is made up of 3 aspects - the Father, the Son and The Holy Spirit.
Jesus is one aspect of God (the Son), but he is NOT the Father or the Holy Spirit.
Being a sad pedant I thought I’d check what the current church teaches (well the Roman Catholic bit anyway) and I think the bit below covers it: “202 Jesus himself affirms that God is "the one Lord" whom you must love "with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength".6 At the same time Jesus gives us to understand that he himself is "the Lord".7 To confess that Jesus is Lord is distinctive of Christian faith. This is not contrary to belief in the One God. Nor does believing in the Holy Spirit as "Lord and giver of life" introduce any division into the One God: We firmly believe and confess without reservation that there is only one true God, eternal infinite (immensus) and unchangeable, incomprehensible, almighty and ineffable, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit; three persons indeed, but one essence, substance or nature entirely simple.” From: Vatican site.
Originally posted by thenegus: It hasn't. If you'd read carefully you'd see that what I'm arguing about is the identification of Jesus with all three aspects of the trinity.
Is that so? The whole point of the 'Holy Trinity' is that it is 'three divine persons' in one - they are indivisible aspects of the same divinity. Much as in Hinduism, I think. Anyhoo, you may choose to identify Jesus which only one aspect of the trinity, but you are incorrect.
