It is quite clear that this subject is on most people’s minds, most ordinary people not extremists, not boot boys (if they ever existed). The more their quite legitimate feelings are quelled without any attempt to understand them the more resentment will ensue and the more likely it is that extremism will take a hold. The more they are told they are just nasty racists the more they will react and their enmity grow. Most people cannot see that it is not the immigrants, who can blame them for wanting a better life, which no doubt this country offers. Most people see the problems and associate these with the immigrants directly rather than the situation that created their presence, you will never educate them into thinking beyond the immediate. We are a non-gregarious species and most are not fortunate enough to have lives where than can be alone. The more crowded it gets the worse it must become and with population growing at 350 thousand a year that is not going to improve matters.
The discarding of our youth as useless and replacing with Eastern EUs cannot help. I hear often there are plenty of jobs and they are just too lazy or stupid. Well we created them so what does that make us, especially as we are the ones who allowed the job replacements in. There are not plenty of jobs and those there are our poorly equipped youngsters cannot compete with a twenty something year old incomer for, those moving to our country in search of a better life and willing to scrap for it – no chance at all. We should be disgusted with ourselves for our treatment of our own people, we allowed them to become useless and we can expect that if nothing changes their pool will grow as more and more kids cannot get on for whatever reason.
I don’t feel much affinity with Dewsbury type people I have observed lately, but why have we allowed this to happen and continue to happen as we speak. Can we not learn from what our actions and inactions have produced for us?
Originally posted by Bonmot: It is quite clear that this subject is on most people’s minds, most ordinary people not extremists, not boot boys (if they ever existed). The more their quite legitimate feelings are quelled without any attempt to understand them the more resentment will ensue and the more likely it is that extremism will take a hold. The more they are told they are just nasty racists the more they will react and their enmity grow. Most people cannot see that it is not the immigrants, who can blame them for wanting a better life, which no doubt this country offers. Most people see the problems and associate these with the immigrants directly rather than the situation that created their presence, you will never educate them into thinking beyond the immediate. We are a non-gregarious species and most are not fortunate enough to have lives where than can be alone. The more crowded it gets the worse it must become and with population growing at 350 thousand a year that is not going to improve matters.
The discarding of our youth as useless and replacing with Eastern EUs cannot help. I hear often there are plenty of jobs and they are just too lazy or stupid. Well we created them so what does that make us, especially as we are the ones who allowed the job replacements in. There are not plenty of jobs and those there are our poorly equipped youngsters cannot compete with a twenty something year old incomer for, those moving to our country in search of a better life and willing to scrap for it – no chance at all. We should be disgusted with ourselves for our treatment of our own people, we allowed them to become useless and we can expect that if nothing changes their pool will grow as more and more kids cannot get on for whatever reason.
I don’t feel much affinity with Dewsbury type people I have observed lately, but why have we allowed this to happen and continue to happen as we speak. Can we not learn from what our actions and inactions have produced for us?
A temperate and reasoned post with which I concur totally.
The open-door liberals will treat it with the usual distain of course.
Originally posted by Bonmot: It is quite clear that this subject is on most people’s minds, most ordinary people not extremists, not boot boys (if they ever existed). The more their quite legitimate feelings are quelled without any attempt to understand them the more resentment will ensue and the more likely it is that extremism will take a hold. The more they are told they are just nasty racists the more they will react and their enmity grow. Most people cannot see that it is not the immigrants, who can blame them for wanting a better life, which no doubt this country offers. Most people see the problems and associate these with the immigrants directly rather than the situation that created their presence, you will never educate them into thinking beyond the immediate. We are a non-gregarious species and most are not fortunate enough to have lives where than can be alone. The more crowded it gets the worse it must become and with population growing at 350 thousand a year that is not going to improve matters.
The discarding of our youth as useless and replacing with Eastern EUs cannot help. I hear often there are plenty of jobs and they are just too lazy or stupid. Well we created them so what does that make us, especially as we are the ones who allowed the job replacements in. There are not plenty of jobs and those there are our poorly equipped youngsters cannot compete with a twenty something year old incomer for, those moving to our country in search of a better life and willing to scrap for it – no chance at all. We should be disgusted with ourselves for our treatment of our own people, we allowed them to become useless and we can expect that if nothing changes their pool will grow as more and more kids cannot get on for whatever reason.
I don’t feel much affinity with Dewsbury type people I have observed lately, but why have we allowed this to happen and continue to happen as we speak. Can we not learn from what our actions and inactions have produced for us?
We created the 'feckless' generation and our crass immigration policy contributed. Now the uselessness of those people we created is being used to justify more and more immigration, how ludicrous is that? Perhaps we can make everyone redundant by importing similar people from around the world who can do all our jobs a little better or a bit cheaper. There must be 30 million such people somewhere.
Originally posted by Bonmot: We created the 'feckless' generation and our crass immigration policy contributed. Now the uselessness of those people we created is being used to justify more and more immigration, how ludicrous is that? Perhaps we can make everyone redundant by importing similar people from around the world who can do all our jobs a little better or a bit cheaper. There must be 30 million such people somewhere.
You get the feeling the CBI wants to turn us into a dormitory country, where indigenous people have been marginalised , told they are useless, and generally made unwelcome in their own country, so the CBI can ship in what ever cheap labour they want.
Originally posted by Bonmot: It is quite clear that this subject is on most people’s minds, most ordinary people not extremists, not boot boys (if they ever existed). The more their quite legitimate feelings are quelled without any attempt to understand them the more resentment will ensue and the more likely it is that extremism will take a hold. The more they are told they are just nasty racists the more they will react and their enmity grow. Most people cannot see that it is not the immigrants, who can blame them for wanting a better life, which no doubt this country offers. Most people see the problems and associate these with the immigrants directly rather than the situation that created their presence, you will never educate them into thinking beyond the immediate. We are a non-gregarious species and most are not fortunate enough to have lives where than can be alone. The more crowded it gets the worse it must become and with population growing at 350 thousand a year that is not going to improve matters.
The discarding of our youth as useless and replacing with Eastern EUs cannot help. I hear often there are plenty of jobs and they are just too lazy or stupid. Well we created them so what does that make us, especially as we are the ones who allowed the job replacements in. There are not plenty of jobs and those there are our poorly equipped youngsters cannot compete with a twenty something year old incomer for, those moving to our country in search of a better life and willing to scrap for it – no chance at all. We should be disgusted with ourselves for our treatment of our own people, we allowed them to become useless and we can expect that if nothing changes their pool will grow as more and more kids cannot get on for whatever reason.
I don’t feel much affinity with Dewsbury type people I have observed lately, but why have we allowed this to happen and continue to happen as we speak. Can we not learn from what our actions and inactions have produced for us?
Interesting if not somewhat flowery but I agree in the main, however the issue as I see it is that everyone seems to have a differing view of what is our own. Whilst there is a party that advocates treating people differently on the basis of their colour regardless of whether they were born here or not will only add fuel to the fire, it's a sad indictment that Enoch Powell's speech which was directed at West Indians is still used now by the less gifted to vindicate their own views on the current situation. Those WI's and their descendants are now the ones suffering from the latest wave of cost cutter immigrants and they are also the ones who are most annoyed, because they or should I say we are caught between the Devil and the Deep blue sea re immigration, neither belonging to either side, whilst taking flak from both sides.
Personally if this country found it difficult to integrate people who shared the same religion, language (give or take), dress code etc the only difference being colour, then in all honesty the political elite should have had a realistic immigration policy.
Hundreds of thousands of the new electors are immigrants who have been granted British citizenship, or have poured in from Eastern Europe.
Critics said it made the case for changes to the electoral rules – which allow non-British citizens full voting rights.
Some MPs have also voiced concerns the system could be open to fraud.
Applicants do not have to provide documents proving their identity, or that they are in the country legally.
Instead, they simply fill in a two-page form, which has a self-declaration all the details are accurate and correct.
Government officials say that, as the electoral register is available to the public, any false details could be spotted by local residents and reported.
I've said this before but a writer in the Independent said that the supermarkets ahve told him, sotto voce, that they believe that they are feeding 70 million people, not 60.6 million.
Originally posted by Ewellguy: I've said this before but a writer in the Independent said that the supermarkets ahve told him, sotto voce, that they believe that they are feeding 70 million people, not 60.6 million.
Maybe 10 million fat knackers are having two dinners?
Originally posted by Ewellguy: I've said this before but a writer in the Independent said that the supermarkets ahve told him, sotto voce, that they believe that they are feeding 70 million people, not 60.6 million.
Maybe 10 million fat knackers are having two dinners?
lol. Potentially so. But I do find it terrifying that the government really has no idea how many people are here.
Labour are importing voters, it really is that simple. These people maybe hungry to work now, but what about their offspring? Good 'ol labour will be there to subsidise them in whatever they do. Ching ching vote for the monkey in the red rosette.
The whole programme missed the point about the actual dangers of immigration. They talked about the economic situation. That is irrelevant. Economies go up and down as does inflation and quality of life. The rich/poor divide varies. Governments change as do policies, and science makes 'breakthroughs' or makes mistakes. Through ALL this is the constantly increasing segregation we have seen since the seventies. This natural gravitation to an individuals community is unaffected by ideology, legislation, money, cohesion, pleading, or science. People are all the same. But because we are all the same we all need our sovereign identity, culture, and especially territory. THAT is the problem with immigration we see all around but choose to ignore. No country in the whole history of civilization (I am a historian by the way) with more than one ethnicity has ever been anything but divided. That doesn't mean full of hate, it means divided. Iraq, Zimbabwe, India (now Pakistan, Bangladesh, and India) the whole of Eastern Europe, China, the U.S. federal system,... EVERYWHERE! And we are no different as people. If you set down the same situation and circumstances as they tolerate then we will act as they do. But simply; in the last thirty years successive governments have set down the roots of a Balkanisation in Britain that will cause decades, perhaps centuries, of resentment and intermittent civil-war.
I think its overblown in every way, the fears/xenophobia that is!
Racism/fear where much worse in the 80';s than the are now, people inc the media have very short memeories though!
Whats changed with people speaking out is that people are using terrorism as an excuse to speak out against immigration! I have seen a link to the two! Before 9/11, no one moaned in the way they do now because they knew they would be exposed as xenophobic but cause of a minority within minority who are doing terror acts, people feel confident enough to speak up/moan generally!
As for settled immigrants moaning, what hypocrisy! The very things their saying where the things said agains ttheir parents when they first came! Hypocrisy no doubt!
My position was that it was crazy to allow 10 new EU countries to join in 2004 but doesn't mean I'm against controlled immigration. Once the new EU countires catch up with our livjng standards, jsut watch their citiizens go back. People shouild calm down!
That guy on incapacity made me laugh and what a slip! He needed help filling out a form cause he hasn't got time to fill it out but he's on incapacity benefit! NO TIME?!!!!!
Originally posted by Origin8: The whole programme missed the point about the actual dangers of immigration. They talked about the economic situation. That is irrelevant. Economies go up and down as does inflation and quality of life. The rich/poor divide varies. Governments change as do policies, and science makes 'breakthroughs' or makes mistakes. Through ALL this is the constantly increasing segregation we have seen since the seventies. This natural gravitation to an individuals community is unaffected by ideology, legislation, money, cohesion, pleading, or science. People are all the same. But because we are all the same we all need our sovereign identity, culture, and especially territory. THAT is the problem with immigration we see all around but choose to ignore. No country in the whole history of civilization (I am a historian by the way) with more than one ethnicity has ever been anything but divided. That doesn't mean full of hate, it means divided. Iraq, Zimbabwe, India (now Pakistan, Bangladesh, and India) the whole of Eastern Europe, China, the U.S. federal system,... EVERYWHERE! And we are no different as people. If you set down the same situation and circumstances as they tolerate then we will act as they do. But simply; in the last thirty years successive governments have set down the roots of a Balkanisation in Britain that will cause decades, perhaps centuries, of resentment and intermittent civil-war.
Well Britain is trying its best to balkanise China....but we must be careful, what goes around, comes around. Watch out for Braford, Southall, Brixton, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall and Norther Ireland !!!!!
