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quote: Originally posted by beecher:
What I've found strange about this election is the fact that it has focused so heavily on Holyrood. It is pretty irrelevant to ask the candidates their opinions on health, education, housing and police as they are not reserved matters. I think there should have been more of a focus on the 10p tax rate/Iraq/the Economy.
I note that Labour are now talking in terms of winning by about 1000 votes - this from a 13,507 majority at the 2005 general election.!!! We'll see. |
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If the SNP win the Labour party will become utterly, utterly desperate in their negativity and criticism of the SNP. Scottish Labour hold their fellow Scots in contempt, and will stop at nothing if the vote is close, because they will know they have been found out!!!
What a stinking cest-pit of corruption, spin, lies, reverse spin, backflips, double reverse spin, scaremongering, backflip double reverse spin Labour live in.! And Margaret Curran is proving herself a master of it.
Democracy and progress itself are the primary victims of the Labour party.
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The Labour campaign's been a disaster by the sounds of things as they've never campaigned in the area before. They've relied on computer software which doesn't recognise tenements, had very few volunteers, and struggled to compete with the SNP in terms of organisation.
It is too close to call, but wouldn't it be great if it worked out the same way last year's Holyrood elections went?
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I wish you all the best, but I have to admit a purely selfish interest in bringing this government to their knees.
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quote: Originally posted by Bonmot:
I wish you all the best, but I have to admit a purely selfish interest in bringing this government to their knees.
Surely they are there anyway? The fact that Glasgow East has become a key marginal says it all - it should be one of the safest seats for Labour in the whole country. Even if Labour win with a majority of 1,000 it is still a disaster for them, regardless of how they try to spin it. |
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Unfortunately, Labour have a "voice" for much of their vile spin beecher.......the Scottish Press [for shame] seem to spin everything to show Labour in a good light and the reverse for SNP.
We all know Scotland has been badly run by both Labour and the Tories. We all know
Scotland has underperformed economically etc. Now either they have to both come out and say they were incompetent or they have to admit that the structure is wrong. They can't have it both ways.!!!!
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quote: Originally posted by beecher: quote: Originally posted by Bonmot:
I wish you all the best, but I have to admit a purely selfish interest in bringing this government to their knees.
Surely they are there anyway? The fact that Glasgow East has become a key marginal says it all - it should be one of the safest seats for Labour in the whole country. Even if Labour win with a majority of 1,000 it is still a disaster for them, regardless of how they try to spin it.
Yeah but we might not have to wait as long to get rid of GB, and hopefully the government with him. |
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quote: Originally posted by beecher:
What I've found strange about this election is the fact that it has focused so heavily on Holyrood. It is pretty irrelevant to ask the candidates their opinions on health, education, housing and police as they are not reserved matters. I think there should have been more of a focus on the 10p tax rate/Iraq/the Economy.
Iraq is still an issue? |
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quote: Originally posted by TheSingularity: quote: Originally posted by beecher:
What I've found strange about this election is the fact that it has focused so heavily on Holyrood. It is pretty irrelevant to ask the candidates their opinions on health, education, housing and police as they are not reserved matters. I think there should have been more of a focus on the 10p tax rate/Iraq/the Economy.
Iraq is still an issue?
Uk forces have been withdrawn then? |
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quote: Originally posted by TheSingularity:
Iraq is still an issue?
The important issues in Glasgow are probably all devolved, so with what is left to Westminster, I'd say Iraq is still pretty high up the list. The cost of living and 10p tax is probably of more importance though I'd think. |
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quote: Originally posted by Deus ex machina:
How very apt you should quote Westminster as though it were some bastion of good housekeeping when it rewards/spend more on the people of London more per capita than any other part of the UK and that includes Scotland.
Oh really? It was precisely the opposite last time I looked. Perhaps you can oblige with some evidence. All the poor English folk hear about is everything EXTRA that is being provided by both Scottish and Welsh assemblies whether it's tuition or prescription. We don't hear of anything they've sacrificed to pay for it. There must either be a big money pit we haven't got, a huge deficit being run up....or a disproportionate funding bias. Does Alex S have an English cousin who could start up an ENP? |
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Just heading out so don't have time to look for any figures to back this up, but the SNP government have saved a lot of wasted money by cutting back on bureaucracy at Holyrood. Labour thinks that solutions are only found by throwing money at problems, while the SNP seem to be looking at actual outcomes.
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quote: Originally posted by TrevGo: quote: Originally posted by Deus ex machina:
How very apt you should quote Westminster as though it were some bastion of good housekeeping when it rewards/spend more on the people of London more per capita than any other part of the UK and that includes Scotland.
Oh really? It was precisely the opposite last time I looked. Perhaps you can oblige with some evidence. All the poor English folk hear about is everything EXTRA that is being provided by both Scottish and Welsh assemblies whether it's tuition or prescription. We don't hear of anything they've sacrificed to pay for it. There must either be a big money pit we haven't got, a huge deficit being run up....or a disproportionate funding bias. Does Alex S have an English cousin who could start up an ENP?
I think you will have seen these figures before, but they bear repeating when people start banging on about "disproportionate funding. Tax: Northern Ireland: Gains £4212 (raises £6059, spends £10271) NE England: Gains £3133 (raises £6029, spends £9162) Wales: Gains £2990 (raises £5979, spends £7929) NW England: Gains £1732 (raises £6913, spends £8645) York+Humber: Gains £1646 (raises £6524, spends £8170) SW England: Gains £978 (raises £7373, spends £8351) West Mids: Gains £931 (raises £6998, spends £7929) East Mids: Gains £185 (raises £7174, spends £7359) Scotland: Gains £38 (raises £9593, spends £9631) E England: Loss £916 (raises £8172, spends £7256) London: Loss £1199 (raises £10947, spends £9748) SE England: Loss £1853 (raises £9397, spends £7544) Scotland raises the 2nd highest amount of revenue, only London raises more. |
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Thankyou Hardwon
Where did the figures come from?
Pretty much in line with what I recall other than Scotland, which I thought gained more than that. No need for the Barnet formula anymore then.
Seeing as I'm in London and unlikely to move, I don't take much interest in what the SNP are doing. From what I know, they're too socialist for my liking, though AS is the sharpest leader of any party by a mile and I find no problem in believing they are far cannier than the inept, incompetent, 5th rate excuse for a government we have sitting in Westminster.
If the SNP really does get it right in Scotland, we're going to need a new party down here to emulate them.
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No problem Trev, I keep the figures handy to put people's gas at a peep  They came from an article in thisislondon.co.uk , it was actually Optimus Maximus [who hasn't been around for a while?] who posted them first. They give a far clearer picture than that of some of the people who "rant" about Scotland bleeding England dry................and present company excepted of course. I hope England can actually find a party, and Leader, they can have confidence in. Alex Salmond is working for Scotland, that's all that matters right now. |
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quote: Originally posted by hardwon:
Tax:
Northern Ireland: Gains £4212 (raises £6059, spends £10271)
NE England: Gains £3133 (raises £6029, spends £9162)
Wales: Gains £2990 (raises £5979, spends £7929)
NW England: Gains £1732 (raises £6913, spends £8645)
York+Humber: Gains £1646 (raises £6524, spends £8170)
SW England: Gains £978 (raises £7373, spends £8351)
West Mids: Gains £931 (raises £6998, spends £7929)
East Mids: Gains £185 (raises £7174, spends £7359)
Scotland: Gains £38 (raises £9593, spends £9631)
E England: Loss £916 (raises £8172, spends £7256)
London: Loss £1199 (raises £10947, spends £9748)
SE England: Loss £1853 (raises £9397, spends £7544)
Am I right in thinking it's the difference (gain/loss) that is the benefit? |
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It is Bon.
For instance, N Ireland is clearly not faring very well, and spends far more than it contributes.
I don't think we can quibble about the £38 [per capita] Scotland seems to be gaining.
Bit many areas of England are not doing well at all!
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Do these figures refer simply to the amount of tax raised?
The Barnett formula still exists and it gives Scotland £1100 per head more than is given to England. In figures, Scotland receives £5676 per head from the Westminster govt whilst England receives £4523.
This perceived "unfairness" is still ruffling feathers.
The Institute for Public Policy and Research has just published (July 10) an interesting analysis of the Barnett formula, asking whether the time is now ripe for a review, in view of the increasing powers enjoyed by a devolved Scotland.
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The Northern Ireland situation is sheer bribery.
Its the cost to the UK of dragging two NI Parties kicking and screaming to the negotiating table.
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quote: Originally posted by hardwon:
It is Bon.
For instance, N Ireland is clearly not faring very well, and spends far more than it contributes.
I don't think we can quibble about the £38 [per capita] Scotland seems to be gaining.
Bit many areas of England are not doing well at all!
OK, that does seem to tie in with the threads I've seen along the lines of 'London is supporting Scotland', but not actually supporting that assertion. There must in a balanced system be net gainers and losers and I guess the huge population in London/SE offsets the other areas of England, Wales and Ireland. |
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quote: Originally posted by hardwon:
I think you will have seen these figures before, but they bear repeating when people start banging on about "disproportionate funding.
Tax:
Northern Ireland: Gains £4212 (raises £6059, spends £10271)
NE England: Gains £3133 (raises £6029, spends £9162)
Wales: Gains £2990 (raises £5979, spends £7929)
NW England: Gains £1732 (raises £6913, spends £8645)
York+Humber: Gains £1646 (raises £6524, spends £8170)
SW England: Gains £978 (raises £7373, spends £8351)
West Mids: Gains £931 (raises £6998, spends £7929)
East Mids: Gains £185 (raises £7174, spends £7359)
Scotland: Gains £38 (raises £9593, spends £9631)
E England: Loss £916 (raises £8172, spends £7256)
London: Loss £1199 (raises £10947, spends £9748)
SE England: Loss £1853 (raises £9397, spends £7544)
Scotland raises the 2nd highest amount of revenue, only London raises more.
Considering that Scotland is a country and not a region, your last statement is hardly surprising. |
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As the SNP refuse to vote on bills that onyl affect England and Wales at Westminster I have a great deal of respect for them. That is what I call integrity.
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OP,
NO!
Brown goes, will mean a early general eelction, make no mistake of that! When was the last time their was 3 PM's in one parliament?
Browns doing Ok and is coming into his element and once fully in and once fully chasing his tail with the media which is never a good isea he will reverse the troubles.
He was the first chancellor to make budgets interesting when before they where the most boring days ever, and once he fully gets going he will put Dave in his place.
If he does a Blair in getting too right wing then you gotta fight that by writing/e-mailing in, all of ya and he does seem more responsive to public opinion that Blair ever was but I repeat, if Brown goes early election, Tories will get in if theirs an early one so think about that.
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That was meant to say once he stops chasing his tail with the media which he has done over the last 2 weeks too!
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