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This wasn't an election promise from 2007 and formed no part of their manifesto.

It WAS part of their manifesto but was quietly dropped after the donation.

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Oh and Brian not Graham, apologies.

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Originally posted by Fil2:
It WAS part of their manifesto but was quietly dropped after the donation.

But it wasn't part of the manifesto they were elected on and so how can you say that they've failed to keep an election promise?

Polls are closed, and word on the street is that it's "too close to call"!!!

I'm staying up for the result, Newsnight Scotland has it live at 11pm.

Higher turnout than expected - about 46%. Looks close with a few thinking the SNP have done it. The questions on Newsnight all seem to be about how Gordon Brown will react to defeat. Am enjoying seeing Douglas Alexander trying to defend Labour's record, and will stay up in case I get to see his wee face crumpled in defeat.

It is looking good for the SNP at the moment and I've no nails left........

Guardian live coverage:

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As we wait for the official result, the room is reeling at the thought that Labour may have not only lost the seat, but that the SNP may have won it with a four figure majority.

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They're saying it might be a majority of 1500 for the SNP. Unbelievable stuff if that is the case, and it is well worth staying up to see Douglas Alexander looking as if he might cry.

Labour have apparently asked for a recount.

I don't think I'll wait up for that.

Enjoy your late night, beecher.

Well done to John Mason.
11277 votes. Congratulations to the SNP.

YES!! Take that Douglas Alexander you wee nyaff!

Incredible result, worth staying up half the night for

Roll on David Cameron.

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Roll on David Cameron.

A bit early don't you think?

Wait for the weaseling to begin. Time to get honourable Mr Brown and ask the people; announce it will be in the autumn please, I have some free time around end October.

Sore heads north of the border.

Don't expect any early posts from Scotland today.

I had a lie in to celebrate, I got about 4 hours sleep, had a shower to try to wake me up, and then came back here just to check it;s all true.

YES! Labour have been given their marching orders. Douglas Alexander is still drying his tears, and Nicola Sturgeon made him look like the spoiled wee boy he is.

Gordon Brown will be the only one with a royally sore head this morning

Amazing stuff - can't quite believe it! Douglas Alexander was completely out of line in some of his comments, and it just shows they really genuinely still don't get it - they think they've lost votes because of the cost of petrol and food when there is so much more to it.

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Originally posted by beecher:
Amazing stuff - can't quite believe it! Douglas Alexander was completely out of line in some of his comments, and it just shows they really genuinely still don't get it - they think they've lost votes because of the cost of petrol and food when there is so much more to it.

Douglas Alexander should have shame [except it's not in the genes, as his sister has already proved] about the way he used last night as a platform to slander the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon and Rosanna Cunningham in particular!

He raised VERY personal grievances, which made him sound like a spoiled wee boy, and spoke out of turn in every reference to the SNP and it's Ministers. Had he been in the HoC, it is hoped that he would be ejected.

However, after David Cameron's display of harranguing the PM, it seems that courtesy, honesty and manners are all things of the past in Westminster politics

If ever there was a clearer message that New Labour have lost the traditional Labour core vote this was it.

Don't let anyone kid you this was just about Gordon Brown - this was about the whole New Labour shower and people choosing not to vote instead of voting for their least worst option.

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Originally posted by beecher:
Amazing stuff - can't quite believe it! Douglas Alexander was completely out of line in some of his comments, and it just shows they really genuinely still don't get it - they think they've lost votes because of the cost of petrol and food when there is so much more to it.

They will never get it - it is truly beyond them.

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Originally posted by Deus ex machina:
Don't let anyone kid you this was just about Gordon Brown - this was about the whole New Labour shower and people choosing not to vote instead of voting for their least worst option.

Not that many people chose not to vote - particularly when you think that we're in the middle of the Glasgow Fair. I thought that turnout would be far lower and that Labour voters simply wouldn't vote - it seems that many of them have voted for the SNP which is something new.

In the Holyrood elections, the Labour vote stayed pretty stable and the SNP gained from the other smaller parties - last night they gained from Labour. That's the 'earthquake' north of the border.

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Originally posted by Deus ex machina:
Don't let anyone kid you this was just about Gordon Brown - this was about the whole New Labour shower and people choosing not to vote instead of voting for their least worst option.

Not that many people chose not to vote - particularly when you think that we're in the middle of the Glasgow Fair. I thought that turnout would be far lower and that Labour voters simply wouldn't vote - it seems that many of them have voted for the SNP which is something new.

In the Holyrood elections, the Labour vote stayed pretty stable and the SNP gained from the other smaller parties - last night they gained from Labour. That's the 'earthquake' north of the border.

Announcing the clearly right wing benefit reforms so close to this by-election was complete political suicide and just shows how out of touch New Labour are.

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Originally posted by Privates On Parade:
Where will the Queen go for her holidays when Balmoral is lost?

How will Balmoral be lost, it belongs to her.

Nobody is reclaiming property

I thought the SNP wanted a republic, so her roll won't change with independence? Somehow i dont think so!

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Originally posted by hardwon:

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Originally posted by Privates On Parade:
Where will the Queen go for her holidays when Balmoral is lost?

How will Balmoral be lost, it belongs to her.

Nobody is reclaiming property

I thought the SNP wanted a republic, so her roll won't change with independence? Somehow i dont think so!

What has the one got to do with the fact that she owns the property. Tell me where you have seen any suggestion that the SNP would be "confiscating" property??

Or is it just a gullible belief of the rantings from the Labour Propaganda machine, that makes you think we are all "revolutionaries" here?

Good, another step closer to the break up of the Union. Hopefully we're on the way to an independent England, or failing that perhaps we could ask Germany to annex us.

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I thought the SNP wanted a republic, so her roll won't change with independence? Somehow i dont think so!

Alex Salmond has said that Scotland would be part of the Commonwealth and so the Queen would still be Queen in Scotland.

I think it is a shame that the English based media give so little real information about Scottish politics - there's so many inaccuracies in what people think the SNP is about.