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Originally posted by Privates On Parade:
I am rather confused from reading all this where the SNP stand on the issue of a scottish army and the role of the Queen, some seem to want to keep a British army and Queen as Head of State whilst others don't. I would have thought true independence would involve having your own army and removing any role of the Queen.

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Originally posted by hardwon:

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Originally posted by Privates On Parade:
I am rather confused from reading all this where the SNP stand on the issue of a scottish army and the role of the Queen, some seem to want to keep a British army and Queen as Head of State whilst others don't. I would have thought true independence would involve having your own army and removing any role of the Queen.

As a member of the SNP I want no part of the Monarchy.....and if Scotland became Independant, there would be no role for them in Scotland.

I also think we should have our own Army and Navy, but those need only be on a very small scale, since I don't anticipate Scotland getting into any illegal wars any time soon.

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Originally posted by hardwon:
I'm never sure that some people grasp the concept of Nationalism?

I am Scottish, I have never considered myself "British". I am fiercely proud of my heritage, and nothing would give me greater pleasure now, than to see an Independent Scotland.

I have no wish to "throw out" people from Scotland - no wish to create a tangible border between Scotland and the rest of the UK, and no wish to sever all ties.

But, I also have no wish to continue paying for a Monarchy that I don't want, and who bring nothing to Scotland.

And no wish to pay for a massive land Army, which it is my fervent hope we will never need. My own personal belief is that any Scottish Army or Navy should be notional, but as has already been said, the time to discuss the finer points of Independence, is when the Scottish people vote in a Referendum.

It has to be said, that on this Forum, it has generally been English people who propose "throwing Scots out" of England. Perhaps that is their notion of what Independence means, but I would prefer they didn't visit their strange ideas on me

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Originally posted by bjm:

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Originally posted by hardwon:

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Originally posted by Privates On Parade:
I am rather confused from reading all this where the SNP stand on the issue of a scottish army and the role of the Queen, some seem to want to keep a British army and Queen as Head of State whilst others don't. I would have thought true independence would involve having your own army and removing any role of the Queen.

As a member of the SNP I want no part of the Monarchy.....and if Scotland became Independant, there would be no role for them in Scotland.

I also think we should have our own Army and Navy, but those need only be on a very small scale, since I don't anticipate Scotland getting into any illegal wars any time soon.

I expect the Scots Guards will survive, recruited from Scotland.

As long as England and Scotland don't end up on opposites sides in a war, I can't see any problem with Scots continuing to join the Royal Navy or the English armed forces.

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Originally posted by hardwon:
I had a lie in to celebrate, I got about 4 hours sleep, had a shower to try to wake me up, and then came back here just to check it;s all true.

YES! Labour have been given their marching orders. Douglas Alexander is still drying his tears, and Nicola Sturgeon made him look like the spoiled wee boy he is.

Gordon Brown will be the only one with a royally sore head this morning

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Originally posted by beecher:
Amazing stuff - can't quite believe it! Douglas Alexander was completely out of line in some of his comments, and it just shows they really genuinely still don't get it - they think they've lost votes because of the cost of petrol and food when there is so much more to it.

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Originally posted by Glenugie:

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Originally posted by bjm:

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Originally posted by hardwon:

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Originally posted by Privates On Parade:
I am rather confused from reading all this where the SNP stand on the issue of a scottish army and the role of the Queen, some seem to want to keep a British army and Queen as Head of State whilst others don't. I would have thought true independence would involve having your own army and removing any role of the Queen.

As a member of the SNP I want no part of the Monarchy.....and if Scotland became Independant, there would be no role for them in Scotland.

I also think we should have our own Army and Navy, but those need only be on a very small scale, since I don't anticipate Scotland getting into any illegal wars any time soon.

I expect the Scots Guards will survive, recruited from Scotland.

As long as England and Scotland don't end up on opposites sides in a war, I can't see any problem with Scots continuing to join the Royal Navy or the English armed forces.

" English " armed forces ?? do you have any ?

I doubt it.

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Originally posted by pwg:
good idea, the scots can run their own army/navy, we can close faslane down and divert work to devonport/portsmouth and the army glasgow hq bit which deals with all the pay/paperwork, theyre rubbish at it anyway, so it cant be any worse relocating that south of the border.

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Originally posted by Glenugie:

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Originally posted by pwg:
good idea, the scots can run their own army/navy, we can close faslane down and divert work to devonport/portsmouth and the army glasgow hq bit which deals with all the pay/paperwork, theyre rubbish at it anyway, so it cant be any worse relocating that south of the border.

take all those in the Oil /associated industry too - the Scotland will have 100% employment -
then we can vet those we 'let in '

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Originally posted by pwg:
good idea, the scots can run their own army/navy, we can close faslane down and divert work to devonport/portsmouth and the army glasgow hq bit which deals with all the pay/paperwork, theyre rubbish at it anyway, so it cant be any worse relocating that south of the border.

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Originally posted by bjm:

Oh no you can't.

Not if you're still part of the EU. Which is part of the SNP policy.

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Originally posted by Zabbs:

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Originally posted by bjm:

Oh no you can't.

Not if you're still part of the EU. Which is part of the SNP policy.

I see that you still haven't grasped that Scotland last year democratically voted into power a SOCIALIST left-of-centre government which reduces prescription costs for the sick, abolishes unfair charges for students, ended road charging within Scotland, provided extra teachers for Council schools to drive down class sizes, set up SALTIRE awards for industry, but perhaps most unsung achievement is the huge increase in Scottish population size since which leaves the Westminster which leaves the Westminster anti-Scots whingeing about their own Barnett formula!

What happened last night was the smashing of the Labour heartland support where no Westminster/London based politician will be certain of being elected in Scotland. Many labour politicians will be crossing from the dependancy mindset to a free liberated confidence of Scotland. Serving the needs of Middle England whilst continuing the subterfuge and trickery on the Scots of being able to serve their needs is no longer practicable.

Just as Scotland would have to re-negotiate it's membership of the EU, so to would our weakened English government (also a brand new nation) have to attempt to apply for membership of the European union with a dependent Wales in tow! Unfortunately for you, the extremist uncaring, right-wing Tory governments of labour and Conservative are very unlikely to want the EU membership offering advice on how to run-down this country and watching for Westminster sleaze.

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Originally posted by bjm:


Correct me if I'm wrong, but Alex Salmond, as Leader of the SNP, has stated that the SNP supports the EU and wants Scotland to be a member of the EU if it becomes independent.

That is a simple and fairly straightforward statement.

As a member of the EU, Scotland will have obligations as well as benefits. Scotland will not be able to pick and choose who enters the country. It will have to abide by the freedom of movement laws which are a fundamental part of membership of the EU.

If you believe I am mistaken on that point, perhaps you would address that specifically and not wander off into a diatribe on unrelated matters with a couple of personal accusations thrown in for good measure.

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Originally posted by Zabbs:

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Originally posted by bjm:


Correct me if I'm wrong, but Alex Salmond, as Leader of the SNP, has stated that the SNP supports the EU and wants Scotland to be a member of the EU if it becomes independent.

That is a simple and fairly straightforward statement.

As a member of the EU, Scotland will have obligations as well as benefits. Scotland will not be able to pick and choose who enters the country. It will have to abide by the freedom of movement laws which are a fundamental part of membership of the EU.

If you believe I am mistaken on that point, perhaps you would address that specifically and not wander off into a diatribe on unrelated matters with a couple of personal accusations thrown in for good measure.

Alex Salmond has always stated that Scotland would benefit more from being run in partnership than the current undemocratic diktat from London.
You are wrong if you think there is a contradiction in EU membership and open free democratic left wing government. The Socialist parties in England also support EU membership whilst the sleaze ridden right-wing tired out governments such as Cameron's Tory party have openly stated that they will not re-apply for EU membership. The Scottish government see liberty and freedom of movement as a right for all and not just a privilege for the wealthy such as Novo-Anglo mafia billionaires. On that you should agree.

Your statement falls on your supposition that Scotland would have less say in Europe than it does at the present time. Scotland has no industrial ministers in Europe representing their unique issues. All EU ministers represent Her majesty and London which is how the Scots have seen their main industries destroyed by an uncaring London based representation in the EU. Salmond and his ministers can do far better for Scotland in Europe, and indeed the wider world than the such as sleazy Conservatives and disgraced Labour's Peter Mandleson and the Kinnock Family.

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Originally posted by bjm:

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Originally posted by Zabbs:

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Originally posted by bjm:


Correct me if I'm wrong, but Alex Salmond, as Leader of the SNP, has stated that the SNP supports the EU and wants Scotland to be a member of the EU if it becomes independent.

That is a simple and fairly straightforward statement.

As a member of the EU, Scotland will have obligations as well as benefits. Scotland will not be able to pick and choose who enters the country. It will have to abide by the freedom of movement laws which are a fundamental part of membership of the EU.

If you believe I am mistaken on that point, perhaps you would address that specifically and not wander off into a diatribe on unrelated matters with a couple of personal accusations thrown in for good measure.

Alex Salmond has always stated that Scotland would benefit more from being run in partnership than the current undemocratic diktat from London.
You are wrong if you think there is a contradiction in EU membership and open free democratic left wing government. The Socialist parties in England also support EU membership whilst the sleaze ridden right-wing tired out governments such as Cameron's Tory party have openly stated that they will not re-apply for EU membership. The Scottish government see liberty and freedom of movement as a right for all and not just a privilege for the wealthy such as Novo-Anglo mafia billionaires. On that you should agree.

Your statement falls on your supposition that Scotland would have less say in Europe than it does at the present time. Scotland has no industrial ministers in Europe representing their unique issues. All EU ministers represent Her majesty and London which is how the Scots have seen their main industries destroyed by an uncaring London based representation in the EU. Salmond and his ministers can do far better for Scotland in Europe, and indeed the wider world than the such as sleazy Conservatives and disgraced Labour's Peter Mandleson and the Kinnock Family.

It seems you cannot address the simplest of questions without going off at a tangent on unrelated matters in the most confusing way, in the process making incorrect personal assumptions.

I'm sorry but I cannot see any relevence to the point I was making, in your reply.

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Originally posted by Zabbs:

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Originally posted by bjm:

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Originally posted by Zabbs:

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Originally posted by bjm:


Correct me if I'm wrong, but Alex Salmond, as Leader of the SNP, has stated that the SNP supports the EU and wants Scotland to be a member of the EU if it becomes independent.

That is a simple and fairly straightforward statement.

As a member of the EU, Scotland will have obligations as well as benefits. Scotland will not be able to pick and choose who enters the country. It will have to abide by the freedom of movement laws which are a fundamental part of membership of the EU.

If you believe I am mistaken on that point, perhaps you would address that specifically and not wander off into a diatribe on unrelated matters with a couple of personal accusations thrown in for good measure.

Alex Salmond has always stated that Scotland would benefit more from being run in partnership than the current undemocratic diktat from London.
You are wrong if you think there is a contradiction in EU membership and open free democratic left wing government. The Socialist parties in England also support EU membership whilst the sleaze ridden right-wing tired out governments such as Cameron's Tory party have openly stated that they will not re-apply for EU membership. The Scottish government see liberty and freedom of movement as a right for all and not just a privilege for the wealthy such as Novo-Anglo mafia billionaires. On that you should agree.

Your statement falls on your supposition that Scotland would have less say in Europe than it does at the present time. Scotland has no industrial ministers in Europe representing their unique issues. All EU ministers represent Her majesty and London which is how the Scots have seen their main industries destroyed by an uncaring London based representation in the EU. Salmond and his ministers can do far better for Scotland in Europe, and indeed the wider world than the such as sleazy Conservatives and disgraced Labour's Peter Mandleson and the Kinnock Family.

It seems you cannot address the simplest of questions without going off at a tangent on unrelated matters in the most confusing way, in the process making incorrect personal assumptions.

I'm sorry but I cannot see any relevence to the point I was making, in your reply.

There was something in my succinct reply to your dodgy question which found your disapproval???

Scotland is booming in the issues which are graciously devolved from Westminster to Edinburgh's Scottish National party and are seen by Scots as proof of the UK government's belligerence to all things Scottish, as evidenced by the British Primeminister's thoughtless policy speech which made no mention of the historical electoral occurrence in Glasgow last night.

R.I.P. Great Britain!!!