>>Five Iranian speedboats harassed three US navy ships at the weekend, approaching them and radioing a threat to blow them up, US officials say.
The incident happened in the Strait of Hormuz, a major oil shipping route. The US said their ships were about to open fire when the Iranian boats withdrew. <<
Iran has learnt the USA Navy isn't the RN? Did they expect the usa ships to surrender? The price of i-pods has gone up.
The US ships should not go near them, the Iranians are wanting them to do something so they would be wiser just keeping out of the way. Will the Americans do the sensible thing? What do you think!
I'm inclined to reserve my opinion on this untill I hear the other side, one just cannot any longer accept White House or US Official reports.
Counterpianist says :
"Iran has learnt the USA Navy isn't the RN? Did they expect the usa ships to surrender? "
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Rubbish , especially If it was in fact as claimed "five speedboats ", one can safely assume that it was outgunned/ no match for " three US vessels - identified as navy cruiser USS Port Royal, destroyer USS Hopper and frigate USS Ingraham ".
Its ridiculous to draw comparisons with the RN incident.
Originally posted by concertpianist: i do not share your confidence that given the choice between firing on iranian gunboats or surrending which the RN would do.
The situations was completely different.
I dont think even the Yanks are stupid enough to challenge/ go blasting away when faced with + surrounded by superior firepower.
Iranian strategy in the Gulf is to unleash many hundred, maybe several thousand small boats all of which will be armed with Anti Ship Missiles, Rockets or Heavy Machine Guns and Grenade launchers etc.
Only 5 boats may have been in the immediate vicinity, but how many more might have been nearby or in range with heavier missiles?
The US is very despondant at the moment all Iran and Russia have concluded a number of strategic agreements last year that has formed a new joint monopoly for nearly 20% of the worlds Oil reserves and nearly 50% of the worlds Natural Gas reserves and have together defeated every US plan for non Russian/Iranian Oil Pipelines and kept the reserves in their own networks. Further, the US has lost the argument about Irans desire to develop Nuclear weapons.
Now the Iranians are starting to put pressure on US forces. 2008 is not going to be a happy year for Uncle Sam
Originally posted by Sampanviking: Iranian strategy in the Gulf is to unleash many hundred, maybe several thousand small boats all of which will be armed with Anti Ship Missiles, Rockets or Heavy Machine Guns and Grenade launchers etc.
Only 5 boats may have been in the immediate vicinity, but how many more might have been nearby or in range with heavier missiles?
The US is very despondant at the moment all Iran and Russia have concluded a number of strategic agreements last year that has formed a new joint monopoly for nearly 20% of the worlds Oil reserves and nearly 50% of the worlds Natural Gas reserves and have together defeated every US plan for non Russian/Iranian Oil Pipelines and kept the reserves in their own networks. Further, the US has lost the argument about Irans desire to develop Nuclear weapons.
Now the Iranians are starting to put pressure on US forces. 2008 is not going to be a happy year for Uncle Sam
You might be right as far as 2008 not being a "happy year "for the Yanks, however IMO the Iranian Navy vessels have a legitimate right being in the the Strait of Hormuz, whereas the US Navy's presence is in that area , so far away from America , is highly questionable.
if the uk freed itself from dependency on gas and oil it could look on at their games with mild bemusement.
So why are nearly 50% of solar panel planning applications still being turned down? Why are hydrogen production facilities being turned down? Why have grants for micro genration been slashed? Why has the tax on vegetable oil been raised to make it more expensive than diesel?
NOn oil and gas power generation is now a defence matter. And that should be reflected in its priority.
Originally posted by concertpianist: i think the usa is itching for the iranians to attack them.
The US has been provoking Iran big time ever since the sailors where captured. hey are deliberatly going into Iranian waters hoping to be attacked or have their crews taken so they can get their excuse to attack iran and do a Lebanon on them!
Would the US allow Iran so cloe to its border?
Thier only excuse id access to Iraq but they are doing the above, no doubt! Bush may be thinking, I'm out soon, what the hell?!
Originally posted by Sampanviking: Iranian strategy in the Gulf is to unleash many hundred, maybe several thousand small boats all of which will be armed with Anti Ship Missiles, Rockets or Heavy Machine Guns and Grenade launchers etc.
Only 5 boats may have been in the immediate vicinity, but how many more might have been nearby or in range with heavier missiles?
The US is very despondant at the moment all Iran and Russia have concluded a number of strategic agreements last year that has formed a new joint monopoly for nearly 20% of the worlds Oil reserves and nearly 50% of the worlds Natural Gas reserves and have together defeated every US plan for non Russian/Iranian Oil Pipelines and kept the reserves in their own networks. Further, the US has lost the argument about Irans desire to develop Nuclear weapons.
Now the Iranians are starting to put pressure on US forces. 2008 is not going to be a happy year for Uncle Sam
Sweet weeping are you on some kinds of drugs??
Several thousand, christ why do people go round making idiots of yourselves on message boards??
If the Iranians ever launched an attack against the yanks, they would be exterminated. If they are lucky they might get maybe one or two ships, before the yanks blow every single boat of the out of the damn water. Jesus did the Gulf war and the destruction of the Iraq Navy pass you people by
Originally posted by concertpianist: i think the usa is itching for the iranians to attack them.
The US has been provoking Iran big time ever since the sailors where captured. hey are deliberatly going into Iranian waters hoping to be attacked or have their crews taken so they can get their excuse to attack iran and do a Lebanon on them!
Would the US allow Iran so cloe to its border?
Thier only excuse id access to Iraq but they are doing the above, no doubt! Bush may be thinking, I'm out soon, what the hell?!
Anyway according to you geniuses the US was going to attack last easter!
May up your minds, your beginning to sound stupid!
Originally posted by concertpianist: if the uk freed itself from dependency on gas and oil it could look on at their games with mild bemusement.
So why are nearly 50% of solar panel planning applications still being turned down? Why are hydrogen production facilities being turned down? Why have grants for micro genration been slashed? Why has the tax on vegetable oil been raised to make it more expensive than diesel?
NOn oil and gas power generation is now a defence matter. And that should be reflected in its priority.
The people who have interests in selling us oil also have the government, politicians and political parties in their pockets. What politician is going to do the right thing if it means he/she is going to lose a fair chunk of his post political income?
THe global bully in action. I hope we stay out of this mess this time. This warmongering nation that is spreading capitalism via violent ways need to be stopped. It is up to the likes of Russia and China to help and arm the likes of Iran and counter attack in ferocious way if attacked. This road trip has to stop somewhere and the US has made the whole region unstable due to theie illegal wars and occupations.
LMAO @ the story and lmao even harder at anyone who believes it.
Speed boats are hurtling toward US vesels, one of the speed boats sends a message "we are coming to blow you up", they drop packages in front of the US ships. After the USS Cole incident are we truly expected to belive that the captain of the US ships decides to get permision from the Pentegon to engage? What a utter croc - if it had happened those speedboats would now be on bottom of ocean.
What amazes me is that with all the previous form for manipulation and lies and the utter lack of credibility of the Bush administration they are still able to pull the wool over the eyes of a very big proportion of the American people with absolutely rediculous stories like this.
seems just another example of the Americans trying to 'demonise' Iran by giving a heavily distorted version of the truth .... sickening how dare the americans continue to bully other nations just because they don't happen to agree with the american line
Originally posted by concertpianist: i think the usa is itching for the iranians to attack them.
The US has been provoking Iran big time ever since the sailors where captured. hey are deliberatly going into Iranian waters hoping to be attacked or have their crews taken so they can get their excuse to attack iran and do a Lebanon on them!
Would the US allow Iran so cloe to its border?
Thier only excuse id access to Iraq but they are doing the above, no doubt! Bush may be thinking, I'm out soon, what the hell?!
Anyway according to you geniuses the US was going to attack last easter!
May up your minds, your beginning to sound stupid!
Wow, you've been looking me up that much? Take that as a compliment!
You hear dof the phrase, "Bad Things Happen When Good People Do Nothing"?
If it wasn't for good people raising the flag of the devious games that Blair liked to play, then their well could have been an attack!
If they hadn't done Iraq and then Lebanon with the subsequent disasters that followed and all the bad "PR" and with the good people who predicted pre war what a disaster Iraq would be ending up to be proved right, and now where right on other foreign policy matters, then Blair and Bush may have gone for that attack!
Try and work it out for yourself, its very tiring having to spell it out all the time!
Well seeing as Audio and Video recording of the incident have been released, I'd hope that at least some posters on this thread would fell a tad foolish but I doubt it!
are you on some kinds of drugs??
