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Wales going to drift of into the Irish Sea then is it?
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quote: Originally posted by hardwon: quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy:
There are no Scottish waters yet.
That is not entirely correct either. The "waters" have always been recognised as Scottish. What was, and still is, in dispute, was who would have ownership of those waters, if Scotland get's Independence. Previous Governments have always recognised that the oil was found in Scottish Waters, but as Scotland is [and was at the time of the oil strike] part of the Union, with a Westminster administration, the British Government have gotten all the revenues.
who as recognised them as Scottish? Because according to international law they are UK waters. That can only be changed by treaty. And can you seriously see any Westminster government giving up that claim? |
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quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy:
As Scotland would join the EU almost immediately if not immediately England would ahve no right to stop Scottish fishermen entering British/ English waters.
There is no immediate admission to the EU. It can take years, sometimes decades to gain admission. |
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quote: Originally posted by Fil2:
Wales going to drift of into the Irish Sea then is it?
Well as I understand it, and I could be wrong, Wales is technically a protectorate and principality of England not the UK as a whole. |
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quote: Originally posted by C.L.A.D: quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy:
As Scotland would join the EU almost immediately if not immediately England would ahve no right to stop Scottish fishermen entering British/ English waters.
There is no immediate admission to the EU. It can take years, sometimes decades to gain admission.
Can you imagine a single EU country that would object to Scotland negotating entry before it left the UK so that the two events coincided? Scotland hardly needs to prove that she fulfills all of the Eu crtiteria because she already does so as a member. it would be umnprecedented but I cannot possibly see that membership would be anything other than almost immediate. |
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quote: Originally posted by Fil2:
Wales going to drift of into the Irish Sea then is it?
Wales is a Principality of England. Prince of Wales? |
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quote: Originally posted by Fil2:
Wales going to drift of into the Irish Sea then is it?
Wales is a Principality. It may want to be free of English insensitivity, but it is a principality and the Wales's are English nationalism supporters whp live in London. The crown Princes of that Principality are Londoners. Have you looked up what a Principality is yet? It can neither fall into the sea nor call itself sovereign. Scottish Sovereignty lies with the people, not the land, not the head of state nor the London Governor General. The UK is dead! |
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quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy:
Can you imagine a single EU country that would object to Scotland negotating entry before it left the UK so that the two events coincided? Scotland hardly needs to prove that she fulfills all of the Eu crtiteria because she already does so as a member.
it would be umnprecedented but I cannot possibly see that membership would be anything other than almost immediate.
As all treaties signed with regards Scotland and the EU, they were signed by the Westminster government, they would not be legally binding on an independent Scottish government. All treaties would have to be renegotiated. They can't just say, everything that the Westminster government signed us up to we agree to. International law and treaty law does not work like that. And who's to say the Westminster government might not object to Scotland joining under certain conditions |
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quote: Originally posted by Zabbs: quote: Originally posted by Fil2:
Wales going to drift of into the Irish Sea then is it?
Wales is a Principality. It may want to be free of English insensitivity, but it is a principality and the Wales's are English nationalism supporters whp live in London. The crown Princes of that Principality are Londoners. Have you looked up what a Principality is yet? It can neither fall into the sea nor call itself sovereign. Scottish Sovereignty lies with the people, not the land, not the head of state nor the London Governor General. The UK is dead!
Scottish sovereignty lies with Westminster. for it to gain independence an act of dissolution would have to be signed by His/Her Majesty at the request of the Westminster government. |
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quote: Originally posted by C.L.A.D: quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy:
Can you imagine a single EU country that would object to Scotland negotating entry before it left the UK so that the two events coincided? Scotland hardly needs to prove that she fulfills all of the Eu crtiteria because she already does so as a member.
it would be umnprecedented but I cannot possibly see that membership would be anything other than almost immediate.
As all treaties signed with regards Scotland and the EU, they were signed by the Westminster government, they would not be legally binding on an independent Scottish government. All treaties would have to be renegotiated. They can't just say, everything that the Westminster government signed us up to we agree to. International law and treaty law does not work like that. And who's to say the Westminster government might not object to Scotland joining under certain conditions
The point being that they could renegotiate before independence. Why would Westminster object? They aren't 4 years old. |
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quote: Originally posted by C.L.A.D: quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy:
Can you imagine a single EU country that would object to Scotland negotating entry before it left the UK so that the two events coincided? Scotland hardly needs to prove that she fulfills all of the Eu crtiteria because she already does so as a member.
it would be umnprecedented but I cannot possibly see that membership would be anything other than almost immediate.
As all treaties signed with regards Scotland and the EU, they were signed by the Westminster government, they would not be legally binding on an independent Scottish government. All treaties would have to be renegotiated. They can't just say, everything that the Westminster government signed us up to we agree to. International law and treaty law does not work like that. And who's to say the Westminster government might not object to Scotland joining under certain conditions
Absolutely correct and therefore all signatories of the Scotland act are the only persons the act applies to as the Scottish people are SOVEREIGN. The EU part would also apply to England as the United Kingdom no longer existed. If Scots were pssd at English politicians and as a smaller country were able to negotiate entry faster, they could veto England's entry to the EU?  |
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Amusing thought though that actually makes..it is unlikely. All recent examples suggest a precedent that the remaining parts of the UK would be classed as the successor state for the EU, the UN, the WTO..
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quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy:
Amusing thought though that actually makes..it is unlikely. All recent examples suggest a precedent that the remaining parts of the UK would be classed as the successor state for the EU, the UN, the WTO..
damn, he got my hopes up then... |
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We really need a thread where we all say what gender we are. I thought Zabbs was a woman.  |
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quote: Originally posted by Zabbs: quote: Originally posted by Fil2:
Wales going to drift of into the Irish Sea then is it?
Wales is a Principality. It may want to be free of English insensitivity, but it is a principality and the Wales's are English nationalism supporters whp live in London. The crown Princes of that Principality are Londoners. Have you looked up what a Principality is yet? It can neither fall into the sea nor call itself sovereign. Scottish Sovereignty lies with the people, not the land, not the head of state nor the London Governor General. The UK is dead!
I love how completely over the top you are.... very cute! |
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quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy: We really need a thread where we all say what gender we are. I thought Zabbs was a woman.
Cool why? But hey, many fellow posters think I am Asian, other accuse me of being Black and some silly Sods think I am a Scot. I have been ordered back home by many! I have given far too much details of myself away already. |
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Dunno. Zabbs just seems a feminine word for some reason. lol.
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quote: Originally posted by steste: quote: Originally posted by Zabbs: quote: Originally posted by Fil2:
Wales going to drift of into the Irish Sea then is it?
Wales is a Principality. It may want to be free of English insensitivity, but it is a principality and the Wales's are English nationalism supporters whp live in London. The crown Princes of that Principality are Londoners. Have you looked up what a Principality is yet? It can neither fall into the sea nor call itself sovereign. Scottish Sovereignty lies with the people, not the land, not the head of state nor the London Governor General. The UK is dead!
I love how completely over the top you are.... very cute!
OTT is to claim that England could adopt the UKs identity in Europe when as its size, industries, GDP, population, taxation levels, diversity and name changes would have caused it's immediate expulsion. |
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quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy:
Dunno. Zabbs just seems a feminine word for some reason. lol.
fair point, perhaps it should have been Zabbsguy? LOL |
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quote: Originally posted by Zabbs: quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy:
Dunno. Zabbs just seems a feminine word for some reason. lol.
fair point, perhaps it should have been Zabbsguy? LOL
lol. Mind you...I haven't lived in Ewell for about 3 years. |
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quote: Originally posted by Zabbs:
OTT is to claim that England could adopt the UKs identity in Europe when as its size, industries, GDP, population, taxation levels, diversity and name changes would have caused it's immediate expulsion.
no it would not. The UK would still exist and would be bound by any treaty it had signed. You have absolutely no idea how international and treaty law works, have you? |
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quote: Originally posted by Zabbs: quote: Originally posted by steste: quote: Originally posted by Zabbs: quote: Originally posted by Fil2:
Wales going to drift of into the Irish Sea then is it?
Wales is a Principality. It may want to be free of English insensitivity, but it is a principality and the Wales's are English nationalism supporters whp live in London. The crown Princes of that Principality are Londoners. Have you looked up what a Principality is yet? It can neither fall into the sea nor call itself sovereign. Scottish Sovereignty lies with the people, not the land, not the head of state nor the London Governor General. The UK is dead!
I love how completely over the top you are.... very cute!
OTT is to claim that England could adopt the UKs identity in Europe when as its size, industries, GDP, population, taxation levels, diversity and name changes would have caused it's immediate expulsion.
Hmmm can't ever see that happening but I guess your entitled to your opinion...... |
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quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy:
The point being that they could renegotiate before independence. Why would Westminster object? They aren't 4 years old.
Let's asy there is on ongoing dispute over territorial waters. That would be reason enough for the Westminster government to object. So could any discussions about the UK's rebate. |
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