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quote: Originally posted by Arnold S:
Also, why are people so scared of the M word? Didn't we colonise , plunder and change many cultures of so many countries across the world? Did they even have a voice back then? We used every method from slavery to brutal methods of killing those natives in their own lands for us to reap the benefits of Anglosisation of this world.
What's wrong with them coming over to share that wealth with us?
Maybe the chickens have come home to roost.
Still persisting with your ludicrous 'historical guilt' mantra? |
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quote: Originally posted by Mugatu: quote: Originally posted by Arnold S:
Also, why are people so scared of the M word? Didn't we colonise , plunder and change many cultures of so many countries across the world? Did they even have a voice back then? We used every method from slavery to brutal methods of killing those natives in their own lands for us to reap the benefits of Anglosisation of this world.
What's wrong with them coming over to share that wealth with us?
Maybe the chickens have come home to roost.
Still persisting with your ludicrous 'historical guilt' mantra?
No but I have bitten by a reality bug !!!! |
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quote: Originally posted by Arnold S: quote: Originally posted by Mugatu: quote: Originally posted by Arnold S:
Also, why are people so scared of the M word? Didn't we colonise , plunder and change many cultures of so many countries across the world? Did they even have a voice back then? We used every method from slavery to brutal methods of killing those natives in their own lands for us to reap the benefits of Anglosisation of this world.
What's wrong with them coming over to share that wealth with us?
Maybe the chickens have come home to roost.
Still persisting with your ludicrous 'historical guilt' mantra?
No but I have been bitten by a reality bug !!!!
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Thanks for all your comments so far. Reading your responses on multiculturalism, maybe I should have been a bit clearer on the suggested debate. [Says The TV Show Ed in a cunning attempt to steer the conversation back to possible debates for The TV Show.] I believe that the proposal for The TV Show debate was more along the lines of: Do you think the people on the telly are representative of our multicultural society? Does it matter? [The original post has been updated slightly, so hopefully it’s a bit clearer.] Does that work as a debate? If not, please tell us what you want to debate on The TV Show. I’m glad you liked A Boy Called Alex. Those of you that missed it, it’s now available on 4oD. What makes programmes like this better than others (give examples)? Is this what C4 should be about? And what’s the conclusion on Supersize vs Superskinny and similar programmes? Is this a debate worth having? If not suggest another – that’s what this discussion is all about. |
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Could I be a potential guest on your show minus the restrictions that restrict my rights for freedom of expression?
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But if you really want to pull in the punters with a nice show. Do the following topic
Are English speaking(primary lang') white western leaders exempt from justice for their crimes against humanity?
Why don't we do a live satelite link up from every country without bribing them with aid to air an honest opinion.
Interested in this topic?
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quote: Originally posted by Arnold S:
Could I be a potential guest on your show minus the restrictions that restrict my rights for freedom of expression?
Ah yes, I should have mentioned that. I am far to lowly to decide who goes on the show, but I can certainly direct everyone here for the opportunity to a) take part and b) send in comments (including video clips, if you so wish). Keep an eye on The TV Show site for up-to-date information on the next show (the debates won’t be finalised until just before). |
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Noting previous comments on moderation, the C4 moderators – who do a difficult job very well in my humble opinion – say: "There are a number of reasons why messages and topics disappear from the forums, these may not always be apparent to users. Please check the forum rules here for reasons for deletions. Please be aware that Channel 4 has the right to remove any topic or post which it feels necessary for the continued pleasant and constructive tone of the forums. Unfortunately we are unable to restore deleted content. Apologies for the inconvenience." |
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quote: Originally posted by The TV Show:
I believe that the proposal for The TV Show debate was more along the lines of:
Do you think the people on the telly are representative of our multicultural society? Does it matter?
Does that work as a debate? If not, please tell us what you want to debate on The TV Show.
This does work as a debate additional questions you could raise: Has multiculturism been harmful for integration? If so should we abandon it and promote being British? The result of multiculturism in Britain today shows other cultures being respected to the detriment of our own culture. Was this intentional by the powers that be or is this the product of over sensitive elites? Can some balance be found to protect the natives culture? |
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Could we also cover how the British introduced their culture, lifestyle, language and etc by violent means in the countries that we illegally occupied and plundered ?
Multiculturalism is a direct result of the Anglosisation of the ex colonies. This is vitally important in any debate.
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Other possible debate:
Should the people of the UK once and for all be given a say on the relationship we want with Europe via a referendum?
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There never seems to be a debate about cultures and immigration without the inevitable "it wasn't a plane it was a missile" or, "my race is better than the other because..." People seem to either not be able to have a proper discussion or deliberately post offensive messages to get the thread closed down.
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quote: Originally posted by Arnold S:
Could we also cover how the British introduced their culture, lifestyle, language and etc by violent means in the countries that we illegally occupied and plundered ?
Multiculturalism is a direct result of the Anglosisation of the ex colonies. This is vitally important in any debate.
For balance could you name an empire in history that has not done this? Another possible debate: Education have we failed a generation?: Have our schools churned out people who hate their own culture through liberal teachers enforcing their perceived national guilt upon their pupils? What impact could this have on future generations of Brits? Should pupils be taught a balanced version of British history showing both the bad and the good impact Briain has had on the rest of the world? |
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While these are all fantastic ideas for debates, unfortunately The TV show debates have to be focused on what's on the small screen. …I suspect it might be something to do with the name of the show. [Says The TV Show Ed in a cunning attempt to steer the conversation back on course (again).] Proff, Angry - I’m glad you liked A Boy Called Alex. Those of you that missed it, it’s now available on 4oD. What makes programmes like this better than others (give examples)? Is this what C4 should be about? Who agrees with Milan K’s view? “Channel 4 actively seeks to be a freak show – it tries to be provocative in the cheapest possible way. Information, education, etc etc are obviously not part of channel 4's agenda.” Do you think Supersize vs Superskinny falls into this category? |
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I think one solution is too teach people history including the bad that this country has done. I often feel that history is the key it is very biased when others see a completely different story. I think it is a case of owning up too a few skeletons in the closet Arnold touched on it, education has failed as we are turning out children that are told one thing about our history, you can often see the ignorance on these boards as proof.
"It Is Impossible To Defeat An Ignorant Man In Argument."
"Never Converse With An Idiot, For Someone May Walk By And Not Know Who The Idiot Is".!
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I find it very easy of course I did not have access to the internet when I was young and took everything at face value. I trusted my teachers too tell the truth about history little did I know that they left a lot of history out or glossed over it, very sad for a child to finally grow up and learn for themselves that all isnt how it seems.
"It Is Impossible To Defeat An Ignorant Man In Argument."
"Never Converse With An Idiot, For Someone May Walk By And Not Know Who The Idiot Is".!
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quote: Originally posted by MRTIBBS.:
I think one solution is too teach people history including the bad that this country has done.
I often feel that history is the key it is very biased when others see a completely different story.
I think it is a case of owning up too a few skeletons in the closet Arnold touched on it, education has failed as we are turning out children that are told one thing about our history, you can often see the ignorance on these boards as proof.
Thank you Mister. We do need to teach people good and bad and we mustn't write history with all the heroics. The empire is directly related for changing the cultures, language, cuisine and etc of so many nations. Likewise, we have embraced the good and bad of those countries(immigrants inc'  ) C4, my advice, go for some radical topics if you want the punters. Hit em hard. Also, maybe another show, perhaps you could why no single leader of the English speaking world has never been prosecuted by the UN or other recognised judicial system for war crimes? We need these topics, esp these days when we actually have a couple of war criminals out on the run. Nice to dream of equality and justice at times. Who's hosting? Jon Snow for me. |
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quote: Originally posted by Arnold S: quote: Originally posted by MRTIBBS.:
I think one solution is too teach people history including the bad that this country has done.
I often feel that history is the key it is very biased when others see a completely different story.
I think it is a case of owning up too a few skeletons in the closet Arnold touched on it, education has failed as we are turning out children that are told one thing about our history, you can often see the ignorance on these boards as proof.
Thank you Mister. We do need to teach people good and bad and we mustn't write history with all the heroics. The empire is directly related for changing the cultures, language, cuisine and etc of so many nations. Likewise, we have embraced the good and bad of those countries(immigrants inc' ) C4, my advice, go for some radical topics if you want the punters. Hit em hard. Also, maybe another show, perhaps you could why no single leader of the English speaking world has never been prosecuted by the UN or other recognised judicial system for war crimes? We need these topics, esp these days when we actually have a couple of war criminals out on the run. Nice to dream of equality and justice at times. Who's hosting? Jon Snow for me.
The Empire has prooved to be a good catalyst re development, if some nations have failed to take on board the positives then maybe that's an inherent flaw within that nations makeup. War crimes English speaking like who? |
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quote: Originally posted by Deviant_Dread: quote: Originally posted by Arnold S: quote: Originally posted by MRTIBBS.:
I think one solution is too teach people history including the bad that this country has done.
I often feel that history is the key it is very biased when others see a completely different story.
I think it is a case of owning up too a few skeletons in the closet Arnold touched on it, education has failed as we are turning out children that are told one thing about our history, you can often see the ignorance on these boards as proof.
Thank you Mister. We do need to teach people good and bad and we mustn't write history with all the heroics. The empire is directly related for changing the cultures, language, cuisine and etc of so many nations. Likewise, we have embraced the good and bad of those countries(immigrants inc' ) C4, my advice, go for some radical topics if you want the punters. Hit em hard. Also, maybe another show, perhaps you could why no single leader of the English speaking world has never been prosecuted by the UN or other recognised judicial system for war crimes? We need these topics, esp these days when we actually have a couple of war criminals out on the run. Nice to dream of equality and justice at times. Who's hosting? Jon Snow for me.
The Empire has prooved to be a good catalyst re development, if some nations have failed to take on board the positives then maybe that's an inherent flaw within that nations makeup. War crimes English speaking like who?
Milosovic,Hussain,Mugabe,Ahmedjinad, Singh, Putin and the rest.  Get my drift? |
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quote: Originally posted by Arnold S: quote: Originally posted by Deviant_Dread: quote: Originally posted by Arnold S: quote: Originally posted by MRTIBBS.:
I think one solution is too teach people history including the bad that this country has done.
I often feel that history is the key it is very biased when others see a completely different story.
I think it is a case of owning up too a few skeletons in the closet Arnold touched on it, education has failed as we are turning out children that are told one thing about our history, you can often see the ignorance on these boards as proof.
Thank you Mister. We do need to teach people good and bad and we mustn't write history with all the heroics. The empire is directly related for changing the cultures, language, cuisine and etc of so many nations. Likewise, we have embraced the good and bad of those countries(immigrants inc' ) C4, my advice, go for some radical topics if you want the punters. Hit em hard. Also, maybe another show, perhaps you could why no single leader of the English speaking world has never been prosecuted by the UN or other recognised judicial system for war crimes? We need these topics, esp these days when we actually have a couple of war criminals out on the run. Nice to dream of equality and justice at times. Who's hosting? Jon Snow for me.
The Empire has prooved to be a good catalyst re development, if some nations have failed to take on board the positives then maybe that's an inherent flaw within that nations makeup. War crimes English speaking like who?
Milosovic,Hussain,Mugabe,Ahmedjinad, Singh, Putin and the rest. Get my drift?
Hardly a war crime list |
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All change… Currently the bookies’ favourites for the main debates on The TV Show on Saturday 2 February (they won’t be set until just before) are: 1. With in the best possible taste: Bremner, Bird and Fortune’s Madeleine McCann sketch is off the hook, but where should the line be drawn the line between good laugh and bad taste? 2. Supersize vs Superskinny: do you consider this type of show educational viewing or voyeuristic freak show? There’s more information on what's coming up in Saturday's programme on the The TV Show website. What’s you opinion on these? P.S. The host is Krishnan Guru-Murthy. |
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O Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz - most people would not watch a show that any of the radical lot on here are banging on about. I watch the skinny v supersize and really, just watch to see the people air their issues in public - just the same as I might wtach Jeremy Kyle or wife swap etc. These are the extremes and there is that strange reassuring sense that in fact I AM not so barking compared to them. Its pretty basic really. What ever you debate, make it ENTERTAINING - unless it is, it will not be watched.
We are not human beings on a spiritual journey....we are spiritual beings on a human journey.
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