What do you want to debate on The TV Show on May 10?

Do you fancy a debate on the watershed? If you don’t like this idea please suggest another.

What do you believe is acceptable and unacceptable before and after 9pm? Or do you think the concept of the watershed is archaic?
These are the latest Channel 4 shows that have led to viewers getting in touch:
The Simpsons – ironically a show where the sensors are often berated by fans for being overly zealous, this time comes under fire as an episode slips through containing a swear-word that rhymed with the word banker.
Deal or No Deal – for some viewers there are too many smutty insinuations.
How to Look Good Naked – as it returns for a new series, so do the critics, who consider it no more than gratuitous nudity.

Tell The TV Show team what you want to debate and the shows that have made you cheer and grumble this month at Tell Krishnan.

Keep an eye on The TV Show site for the latest on the debates – nothing is set in stone until a day or so before the show.

I think most naughty words go over children's heads. As for "How to look good naked", I love this show and there is nothing wrong with watching nakedness on telly, after all you see the same in art galleries. I won't say anything bad about DOND as I am a big fan.

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Originally posted by The TV Show:
What do you want to debate on The TV Show on May 10?

Do you fancy a debate on the watershed? If you don’t like this idea please suggest another.

What do you believe is acceptable and unacceptable before and after 9pm? Or do you think the concept of the watershed is archaic?
These are the latest Channel 4 shows that have led to viewers getting in touch:
The Simpsons – ironically a show where the sensors are often berated by fans for being overly zealous, this time comes under fire as an episode slips through containing a swear-word that rhymed with the word banker.
Deal or No Deal – for some viewers there are too many smutty insinuations.
How to Look Good Naked – as it returns for a new series, so do the critics, who consider it no more than gratuitous nudity.

Tell The TV Show team what you want to debate and the shows that have made you cheer and grumble this month at Tell Krishnan.

Keep an eye on The TV Show site for the latest on the debates – nothing is set in stone until a day or so before the show.

The Simpsons is an American show and they dont know what a 'anker is, nor a bum or a fanny, any others???

None of the programmes mentioned worry me regarding their language etc although I have to say that I and some friends have noticed how smutty DOND has become.

The watershed, like age ratings for console games and films, has become largely redundant as most parents don't seem to care what their kids are watching and will happily buy/rent them inappropriate games and films.

It depends on what you regard as 'smut' I suppose. Nothing on Dond that children would understand. I think most young kids are watching kids' tv when Dond is on.

I love the Simpsons they should be excused



-Liz
UMGD

I always switch the Simpsons off when Itchy and Scratchy come on (then switch back in a minute or two), I find that the level of violence (cartoon or not) is not suitable for a 3 year old child to view. As for the swearing, the word that rhymes with 'banker' is not so bad and I don't think she'd understand it at all.

Nakedness is fine by me as long as it's not overtly sexual, I don't see anything wrong with nudity at all.

It's not just the programmes we watch that should be given pre/post watershed attention. some of the adverts that the commercial channels including C4 show need to be more closely monitored. As a "for example", there is one for a shampoo that has just won an award for the 4th year running. In the subtitle/translation of two girls commenting the word "Knackered" appears, perhaps exhausted could have been used. The ad itself is suggestive of the girl having enjoyed using the product so much it was likened to an orgasm, pre-watershed this is a step too far. Children who can read want to know what it means, they don't understand the ad but at the same time it leaves parents having to answer questions they perhaps don't want to or shouldn't have to to children who really don't need to know. It makes a hair product that children of reading age but pre-sexual awareness may be using into something that it isn't, ie a sexual experience. It's for washing your hair for goodness sake. I personally hate this ad it makes me as a female feel patronised. This is not the only ad that does this, merely one that instantly comes to mind. As for DOND, the content has deteriorated over the last couple of months. Yes the inuendo is over the heads of younger viewers but again they are not stupid and if they don't understand they ask questions, "what do they mean?" or "why is that funny?" etc, leaving parents to explain. If the programme was post watershed then this would be no problem as children then should not be watching. Quite a few children I know like DOND and in essence it is a programme that the whole family can watch, so it is a shame to exclude children from watching, especially as viewing figures this far into a programme format will possibly be on a downturn. It is a programme that is in the transition stage from the young child watching the likes of CITV and progressing to more adolecent/adult programming and a time to get together as a family to watch something socially before the full on adult stuff comes on. Shame to spoil it really.

Thanks for all your views. Please keep them coming.

The latest from the folks at The TV Show is: swayed by the excitement in the forums – see here – and in emails to C4 around the following two programmes, the debates on Saturday 10th look likely to focus on Cutting Edge: Strictly Baby Fight Club and Dispatches: Immigration – the Inconvenient Truth.

But these are only the bookies’ favourites at the moment… the debates are never set in stone until a day or two before the show and are pretty likely to change again. You’ll find the latest info here.

Whatever happens, we are still interested in hearing your views on What’s fine before 9?. In particular The TV Show team would like to hear your views on the Simpsons’ swearing incident. Contact them on thetvshow@channel4.com. If it’s your sort of thing, maybe record a video or audio clip and send that in, so they can incorporate it into the show.

Thanks,
The TV Show

I don't mind cutting out 'extreme' curse words that kids will learn off the telly, and if they they see a Gangsta using it to act 'cool' they'd like to act cool too and start saying it.
I wouldn't like bits cut off from the simpsons or any other shows that would make the confused about the story line.
I think we smother ours kids with cotton will these days, every single little details has to be picked on and blamed on. That's how our society is these days.

There is an advert (usually shown during GMTV) which is for lingerie. It shows extra large ladies in various poses wearing bras, pants etc. It is known - in certain circles - as 'early morning glory' or 'b[STRIKE][/STRIKE]bankers delight'.

In regards to the nudity, apparently if a women is in the nude it is meant to be automatically unsuitable and in USA makes an automatic R. However if a male is in nude it's regarded as comical and less innapropriate. I would dissagree as I appreciate nude women as an art rather than dirty as long as it's tasteful. But what the hell is comical about seeing a man naked. Personally I find it a little off putting for children!

You know im not really that bothered by Channel 4 showing those things

I would rather debate why Channel 4 is treating The Simpsons so badly - they start the 2003 season (we are much further behind than the BBC ever got) and are stopping showing it after just the first six episodes. Why?

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Originally posted by The TV Show:
this time comes under fire as an episode slips through containing a swear-word that rhymed with the word banker.

Funny you should say that But I got banned from here for rhyming a swear word the way you just have. It's not just the tv sensors that can be overty zealous!

I must say though the Simpsons is giving me concerns I never had before... I now Have a child. But I do think it's my Job at the end of the day to decide what my child watches. And I will sensor.

I think The Simpsons is fine to show at 6pm.
Children don't understand the language jokes and ones based at adults and i think that's why it's so successful. It can appeal to anyone.
As for Itchy and Scratchy and the cartoon violence, this is a subject that the writters understand and that's why they make jokes about it.
I believe that there is a episode where Marge is even trying to get it banned because of the violence!

I think it is up to parents to decide what is suitible for their children to watch.
Just because The Simpsons is a cartoon doesn't mean it actually aimed at young children.

As for the 'Smutty talk' on Deal or No Deal, and the near nakedness on How to Look Good Naked, I don't think it's a problem.

These shows aren't aimed at a young audience, and at 6.30pm on Channel 4 every evening we have Hollyoaks which is full of 'Smutty talk' and near Nakedness and nobody complains about that!

Adults need programmes of their own to watch before the watershed that aren't just silly soaps, and i think Channel 4 do a brilliant job of making interesting and suitible ones.

i love the idea of the simpsons with swear words to be honest..but i think it doesnt really need them in fairnes..probably was done to get some ratings or something as i think the show is not as popular as it once was..although i could be wrong on that..i just dont hear people talk about it so much anymore

but sounds funny anyway

don't forget that the Simpsons is an adult show. It seems a lot of people can't see past the cartoon.

The Simpson's is a brilliant 2D Cartoon, and one of the greatest animation shows of all time, and i think 6pm is the perfect time for the show to be shown.

I love The Simpson's, and i'm a huge fan of the show, and most of the time a swear-word is meantined, it's usually cencored out, as Channel 4 cut 2 Seconds out of the Show!

Dominic
Isle Of man

So I can use offensive language in this thread??

Riggght, I'll remember that next time I get a bop.

For one tobe aroused ,one needs to be in the
mood or put in the mood by something more than
just a lingerie shot.

Some of us have higher goals than others!

OMG...i thought it was only specialized groups that complained so much about swear words.Kids hear so much smut and swear words in school these days that i dont think it should be such a big deal.

Leave Deal or no deal alone!! Its FINE as it is.

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Originally posted by Lemon drop kid:
In the subtitle/translation of two girls commenting the word "Knackered" appears,

Why should the word knackered be censored? It is listed by the OED as legitimate for exhausted or worn out. I could see your point if you were objecting to "knackers" which is listed as a vulgar term but that isn't what is being used here.

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The ad itself is suggestive of the girl having enjoyed using the product so much it was likened to an orgasm, pre-watershed this is a step too far.

Are you sure that really is the message of the Ad (can't say I recall it so I can't give my opinion)? It may be that you are just reading more into it than is really there.