Straight after today's The TV Show, (Saturday, 5 April, 4.05pm) presenter Krishnan Guru-Murthy and his key guests will be online for a forum discussion.
Please post your opinions / questions below.
Today's debates are:
Part 1: What's fine before 9? Would you allow your kids to watch a live slaughter of a pig before bedtime? Well that’s exactly what the first episode of A Cook’s Tour of Spain dished up at 8pm. Was it educational and informative or gratuitous bloodshed?
Part 2: From boom to bust: has the plethora of property shows on our screens fuelled the rise, and now the imminent fall, of the country’s housing market?
Hi everyone and welcome to the TV Show post show chat....well I thought that was a really lively programme. The property debate was passionate - and has clearly raised an awful lot of issues for Channel 4. What did you all think? Gary is still here right next to me and happy to answer questions. As is the Channel 4 Viewers' Editor Paula...so over to you :
What a complete farce! So in the middle break (after talking about upsetting children) Chl 4 showed a graphic trailer for BodyShocks featuring the 'Real' elephant man, then straight after the show a trailer for the new 'Property Ladder; series...way to go Chl 4, make a mockery of the show!!
I cannot believe channel four were broadcasting the slaughter of an animal at all, let alone before nine o clock. I cannot see any need for it, besides to highlight the cruelty behind it. I'm a big fan of channel four and its controversial programmes but i found this disgusting and disturbing, who really wants to sit and watch a live animal have its guts torn apart? The makers of the show at hand should be ashamed of their insensitive choice to film such an act.
I am considering buying a property in a new development just outside Belfast. In todays market how much (%)could I realistically expect to get off the purchase price if I am a cash buyer?
Originally posted by Elliee123: I cannot believe channel four were broadcasting the slaughter of an animal at all, let alone before nine o clock. I cannot see any need for it, besides to highlight the cruelty behind it. I'm a big fan of channel four and its controversial programmes but i found this disgusting and disturbing, who really wants to sit and watch a live animal have its guts torn apart? The makers of the show at hand should be ashamed of their insensitive choice to film such an act.
I hated seeing that, but in a way it's good if people see that sort of thing. Otherwise we're all living in denial.
People need to know where their meat comes from, then they can make a proper informed decision about whether they want to eat it or not.
I am considering buying a property in a new development just outside Belfast. In todays market how much (%)could I realistically expect to get off the purchase price if I am a cash buyer?
I always go for 20% below market. if you're a cash buyer this should be achievable in current market. good luck!
Originally posted by mattod: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Elliee123: I cannot believe channel four were broadcasting the slaughter of an animal at all, let alone before nine o clock.
At least in the programme they warned tht graphic scenes were going to be shown. My kid walked in when the channel 4 show repeated the slaughter of the pig at 16:15 without any warning. When will channel 4 learn?
Originally posted by Gary McC.: Hi Im Gary McCausland, if anyone wants to ask me a question about property please email now? thanks
Hi Gary,
Where would you buy a property at the moment?
Hi I would buy in USA, market is rock bottom and dollar is weak.
Hi Gary,
I'd like to ask you whether you think its immoral buying up multiple properties as investments (and thus driving up prices) while there are many people out there who simply want to buy ONE house to live in?
Should there be laws in place to deter this, or should it be just left to the market (ie. if you can't afford a house, tough)?
To me, it seems unfair to have a completely free market where housing is concerned, as everyone needs a secure place to live.
It was irresponsible of the Developer saying its the best time to buy now. We are a couple of years behind the USA in the CRASH and we have a long way to do gi. I believe this crash will be worse than the 90s with the added irresponsible debt people have. Also the Stock Market has out performed the Property Market in the last 100 years. Property prices we see now we may not see for another 20-30 years with a drop of 25% to 40% in the meantime. The Bargains will be coming up in a couple of years and we will be seeing them on Reposession Reposession Reposession
Originally posted by ToddyT: It was irresponsible of the Developer saying its the best time to buy now. We are a couple of years behind the USA in the CRASH and we have a long way to do gi. I believe this crash will be worse than the 90s with the added irresponsible debt people have. Also the Stock Market has out performed the Property Market in the last 100 years. Property prices we see now we may not see for another 20-30 years with a drop of 25% to 40% in the meantime. The Bargains will be coming up in a couple of years and we will be seeing them on Reposession Reposession Reposession
Hi thats a fair point, however I dont think we are in for a crash. The UK market unlike the US is quite robust and interest rates are on the way down and as the credit crunch weakens it should be ok. In saying that I still think its a good time to buy if you get it at the right price.
Hi Gary, what would you say to all those late 20 early 30 somethings that are effectively having to put their lives on hold as well as delay any plans to start raising families because of the nasty effects of property ramping in recent years? Whilst you may think now is the ideal time to buy you are effectively denying these people the chance to a normal life because of your 'investments'.
Things are just about to turn now with will signal relief to many up and down the country, and your views that now is the ideal time to invest is totally irresponsible.
Property shows are a spin off symptom of a global monetary event - ubiquitous low interest rates, and the boom in asset backed securities it created. They are not the cause of house price inflation. Property shows are usually presented by people with little/no experience in asset markets and their cyclical nature. They are a form of lazy advocacy journalism based on assumptions rather than economic fundamentals. Those familiar and successful with asset markets will be very aware of what is known as "stage three". Stage three is when the general public enter an asset market en mass, possessed by the emotions of fear or greed. Fear of missing the boat or the greed of each money. Every asset bubble in history has reached stage three - it is when the professionals look for the exits. Property porn shows are a classic example of stage three. They are the conduit for market euphoria to seep into popular culture. When every other TV show is property related, when our shelves are full of property related magazines, and when dinner party conversations are dominated by property - it's time to sell not buy.
The gentleman from C5 said property had risen 10% every year for the past 100 years, a preposterous statement I would like to see backed with some evidence to support.
It is important to remember that for most people property is a leveraged purchase which amplifies any price rise. However, any price fall
As an asset class property has been mediocre this decade - it hasn't kept pace with a barrel of oil!
Originally posted by Elliee123: I cannot believe channel four were broadcasting the slaughter of an animal at all, let alone before nine o clock. I cannot see any need for it, besides to highlight the cruelty behind it. I'm a big fan of channel four and its controversial programmes but i found this disgusting and disturbing, who really wants to sit and watch a live animal have its guts torn apart? The makers of the show at hand should be ashamed of their insensitive choice to film such an act.
I hated seeing that, but in a way it's good if people see that sort of thing. Otherwise we're all living in denial.
People need to know where their meat comes from, then they can make a proper informed decision about whether they want to eat it or not.
I totally agree, it is important people know where their food is coming from and i think many people are oblivious towards the conditions animals are kept in these days. But i dont believe the point of the show was to educate people on such matters, although i usually find amusement in the fact parents are happy for their chidlren to eat meat yet prefer people not to tell them where it comes from and so on, i dont think this could have had in any way a positive impact on a child's views towards meat and their opinions had they seen it, infact i know if i found it so disturbing many children would have done so to.
Jo Ball had to dash off after the programme, but if you have any questions about the first part of the show, I will ask her to have a look at at these on Monday Thanks for joining in!
I didn't see the show (I wish I had) but it seems to me that the large number of property programmes (not yours Gary) not only appear to advocate property development / investment as a feasible career move (which we see it obviously isn't given that the new developers often have neither the requisite skills or financial security) but may have had a more subtle, pervasive knock on effect; the focus on 'the dream home with Miele-packed, granite-topped kitchen' and 'marble clad wet room' as a viable option for all. Unwitting as this may be, an unfortunate facet of human psychology is that 'seeing is believing' and regularly witnessing this flagged up as what we should all be aspiring too or even 'the norm' can only, for those unable to shoulder the costs with ease, lead to, at best, low self-esteem and distress and in the (increasingly common) worst case scenario, intolerable personal debt.
Don't get me wrong, I love home improvement and property shows and (ironaically) 'Grand Designs' is one of my favourite shows; they can provide inspiration as well as entertainment but it's the sheer number of them hitting our screens currently, and the fact that most of them adverstise the style of high-end of the property market, promoting the essentially, largely unattainable as normative, that might be insidiously contributing to a lot of personal dissatisfaction and stockpiling financial issues for society.
Just a thought.
I supopse it's like any other TV genre (reality TV springs painfully to mind). When it's seen to be a winning formula, everyone jumps on the bandwagon till the market is saturated and the viewers plod away. Only for this particular genre, the consequences of the televisual onslaught may, for some veiwers, be very 'real world'.
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Originally posted by Gary McC.: Hi Im Gary McCausland, if anyone wants to ask me a question about property please email now? thanks
Hi Gary,
Where would you buy a property at the moment?
Hi I would buy in USA, market is rock bottom and dollar is weak.
That is very true, If you never want to sell it.. ------------------------ Gary , how much longer can the UK continue propping up the dollar ? As i have noticed the pound sterling is no longer advancing al
