Can forum members understand the psychology of the average DOND player? Take Dave ( not untypical ) - needed money for a daughters wedding ( some priority I think ) - had his hands on £15 k and lost the lot but insists he was right to play on. Where is he different from the guy who loses his weeks wages on a horse in the betting shop and explains to his family - I was sure it was a racing certainty ? Its not valid to say he started with nothing so its OK. The offers are always an undervaluation of the position - so in theory its always a " good bet" to carry on - in the long run you would show a profit - but you dont have a "long run " and if you need the stake money ( the offer ) - keep it in your pocket. Everytime I hear " that's an excelent offer but - no deal!! Am I crazy ?
I know where you are coming from, but on DOND, you have the oppourtunity for £250k and its just dazzling! When you playe the game, you would be able to understand it. For example, if some describes an offer as "excellent" but decline it, it must show they either want more or feel lucky. Plus, people proably getting attracted to their board too much.
I almost forgot...Rosebud and I were having a conversation about this! She did psychology and was telling me how she sometimes knows why a person acts in a certain way! Rosebud can give a better response than me!
I have read that a fair bit of serious study has been made of the behaviour of players, as many do seen to take incredible risks which are out of character. I'm not sure what the findings were but remember that the way an offer is perceived depends on if it was higher or lower than the previous one. I think players 'one the way down' were deemed to be more irrational.
Originally posted by gamesman: Can forum members understand the psychology of the average DOND player? Take Dave ( not untypical ) - needed money for a daughters wedding ( some priority I think ) - had his hands on £15 k and lost the lot but insists he was right to play on. Where is he different from the guy who loses his weeks wages on a horse in the betting shop and explains to his family - I was sure it was a racing certainty ? Its not valid to say he started with nothing so its OK. The offers are always an undervaluation of the position - so in theory its always a " good bet" to carry on - in the long run you would show a profit - but you dont have a "long run " and if you need the stake money ( the offer ) - keep it in your pocket. Everytime I hear " that's an excelent offer but - no deal!! Am I crazy ?
Sadly your question is invalid as there is no "average DOND player". I have commented elsewhere about the idea of car crash TV and the difference between those who are goaded on and those who stay focussed by ignoring the traps laid down by Noel's comments (or anyone else's). To be totally true to yourself is the only way to play DOND, any external influence could affect your own decisions (remember Donna who blew the £250k big time - see the opening credits when Laura is also on screen). The pregnant women idea in Jack's game was an option put forward by Noel as it seemed Jack was floundering. In hindsight it was like throwing an anvil to a drowning man but it is in the nature of the game. Had Jack not been influenced he might well have done the same thing or simply delayed it a while longer or even gone on to win the £250k, we will never know unless a certain blue box could take us to all those different alternative realities!!
Originally posted by chobo: I have read that a fair bit of serious study has been made of the behaviour of players, as many do seen to take incredible risks which are out of character. I'm not sure what the findings were but remember that the way an offer is perceived depends on if it was higher or lower than the previous one. I think players 'one the way down' were deemed to be more irrational.
I would like to know where such analysis was made. It is interesting to see how external pschological pressure influences players - eg " stand up all those who think he should deal " etc One would have thought by now players would have realised - that Noel was the agent of Endemol with his crude chicken and faux bravery tricks encouraging them to abandon caution - There is also a dual standard among DOND fans - they love the stressful climax and shed tears over those who leave with nothing.
Originally posted by gamesman: Can forum members understand the psychology of the average DOND player? Take Dave ( not untypical ) - needed money for a daughters wedding ( some priority I think ) - had his hands on £15 k and lost the lot but insists he was right to play on. Where is he different from the guy who loses his weeks wages on a horse in the betting shop and explains to his family - I was sure it was a racing certainty ? Its not valid to say he started with nothing so its OK. The offers are always an undervaluation of the position - so in theory its always a " good bet" to carry on - in the long run you would show a profit - but you dont have a "long run " and if you need the stake money ( the offer ) - keep it in your pocket. Everytime I hear " that's an excelent offer but - no deal!! Am I crazy ?
Sadly your question is invalid as there is no "average DOND player". I have commented elsewhere about the idea of car crash TV and the difference between those who are goaded on and those who stay focussed by ignoring the traps laid down by Noel's comments (or anyone else's). To be totally true to yourself is the only way to play DOND, any external influence could affect your own decisions (remember Donna who blew the £250k big time - see the opening credits when Laura is also on screen). The pregnant women idea in Jack's game was an option put forward by Noel as it seemed Jack was floundering. In hindsight it was like throwing an anvil to a drowning man but it is in the nature of the game. Had Jack not been influenced he might well have done the same thing or simply delayed it a while longer or even gone on to win the £250k, we will never know unless a certain blue box could take us to all those different alternative realities!!
Remember the players go through a selection process from 1000's of hopefuls, so there must be some common factor they are looking for - hence an average player . The programe is Machievellian . Rationally one should always refuse offers - since the odds offered after each offer are very attractive : ie if you had 100 goes - I wonder if after getting an offer of say £10,000 you were able to put your position on Ebay - with min bid of £10,000 - how many genuine bids you would get No one has answered the question of how is the DOND luser different from the guy who blues in a legacy in 30 minutes madness.
[ I would like to know where such analysis was made. It is interesting to see how external pschological pressure influences players - eg " stand up all those who think he should deal " etc
DOND is global now so I wouldn't be suprised if it was an American study. Might be worth googling it.
Originally posted by Posh Paws: Gamesman, here's a suggestion for you. Try a post on the 'Good Morning' thread, tell us what the weather is doing in your area, whether you've been able to get your washing dry today and what you're having for your tea. In other words........ CHILL!!
Hi Posh - Would you rather I discussed the colour of the players nail polish or Noel's shirt ?
BTW as a DOND afficianado - Can you explain to me why the banker increased Kelly's offer by 1p. so ( according to NE ) he wouldnt be beaten ( whatever that may mean ) . Noel thought it very clever however and laughed his head off as usual.
I wouldnt, average is about £25,000? Also, theres not a board to read really, because you never know what would happen, its like walking away on the 1st offer, but worse!
Originally posted by chobo: A quick question for all, but would love to hear Gamesman's answer.
You are in the chair and no boxes have been opened. You are offered £7,500 to walk away at that point. Would you?
And if not, what would you walk for?
Like I have said to another question on here, always deal at £20k, but the banker rarely offers that nowadays, so anything over £10k, if I was offered £15k as the first offer I would deal.
Originally posted by DOND_#1_FAN: I wouldnt, average is about £25,000? Also, theres not a board to read really, because you never know what would happen, its like walking away on the 1st offer, but worse!
Remember, half the boxes are blue! What would you walk for?
Interesting question chobo. My initial reaction was to say no, but then I thought £7,500 and a hand shake from Noel, for doing nothing can't be bad. Would you?
Originally posted by chobo: A quick question for all, but would love to hear Gamesman's answer.
You are in the chair and no boxes have been opened. You are offered £7,500 to walk away at that point. Would you?
And if not, what would you walk for?
Since I dont gamble - Yes. Never look a gift horse in the mouth. I did ask if you were at say box 8 - £10,000 ( the board showing an average of £15,000 and you Ebay'd your chance - min bid £15,000 how many genuine bids would you get : Your view of the answer is also answer to " should I deal " question.
Originally posted by chobo: A quick question for all, but would love to hear Gamesman's answer.
PLEASE IGNORE LAST You are in the chair and no boxes have been opened. You are offered £7,500 to walk away at that point. Would you?
And if not, what would you walk for?
Since I dont gamble - Yes. Never look a gift horse in the mouth. I did ask if you were at say box 8 offered - £10,000 ( the board showing an average of £15,000 and you Ebay'd your chance - min bid £10,000 how many genuine bids would you get : Your view of the answer is also answer to " should I deal " question.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by chobo: Like Ussie said the average is £25,000 so really I should say 'no'.
And whenever in my life will I have a 22/1 chance of winning 1/4 mill?
That surprises me - if you put £12,000 on a 20 to 1 horse : £252,000 can be yours !! - Rich punters and fools do it all the time - they even win sometimes Ditty staked £21,000 ..... true was only 11 to 1 - but she would find few punters to offer her £25,000 for her chance !!
The problem with 20/1 shot horses are that they are usually halfway to the dog meat factory and their true odds are much worse. At least on DOND, just like roulette, what you see is what you get, when it come to the odds.
Originally posted by Posh Paws: Gamesman, here's a suggestion for you. Try a post on the 'Good Morning' thread, tell us what the weather is doing in your area, whether you've been able to get your washing dry today and what you're having for your tea. In other words........ CHILL!!
Hi Posh - Would you rather I discussed the colour of the players nail polish or Noel's shirt ?
As I said yesterday, gamesman, debate on here is now, unfortunately, non existent. With regard to your previous post about the selection process, it's clear that the objective is to sift out anyone who might have the audacity to think for themselves, and select only people who will fit in and do what they're told.
PS If you want a more balanced view of the show, go to TV show forum.
I think there is still a good variety of players who will gamble and those who will leave for a certain amount whatever...I know exactly how I would play the game, and it doesn't involve a target figure. However, every so often the Banker surprises us with an offer which doesn't seem to fit the pattern (i.e. is considered low for the risk involved etc.) which makes me have to adjust my reasoning. I found it extremely difficult to know when I would have dealt in Elaine's game, for example, simply because she was doing so well! As it was, I think I would have dealt when she did, which was NOT the highest offer, nor was it more than what she had in her box, but a darn good amount!
