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Can somebody from DOND answer as to why noboby can actually get through on the web entry?
You are nothing but a load of greedy liars!
A quid a go? - You can stick it!
 
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The new system is impossible to use, everytime you enter the security sequence it form error. Sort it out Channel 4 otherwise you'll lose a lot of viewers.
 
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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrgrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ggrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, in the last series i got through to the next round, cant get past the poxy letters and number bits at the bottom, then told i have entered an incorrect total.........what?????????


Just a thought, these kids love names like twizzlers, happy meal, why dont you come up with great sounding names for dishes, make them sound more appealing to kids!
 
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ten tries today - all codes correct - validation is ****

come on C4 - sack your web monkeys and get them to code some decent validation

DOH!
 
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Tried for ages to get through. No joy, code not valid. Managed to get through three times right at the end of the show. To late by then. I agree I think they want us all to give up and phone...Bring back the old system for goodness sake!!!!
 
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tried and tried again with no success. so I have e mailed to the following. Maybe everyone should do the same then they might get the message. chat@channel4.com

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Well, it doesn't take a fool to see that they HAVE made it more difficult to enter via web entry.

Just have a look at entering your date of birth. You cannot type this into each box (if you do it says invalid form entry. You HAVE to open up a scrolling box, and you have to click on the date from there. Note, that the first date is 1900.

How many people do they might enter who are 106 years old??! It's there to make the process take more time. The more it takes to complete the entry... the less entries you can get in within the time. There are other subtle things that are just "delaying" tactics of web design.

Also, since yesterday, the form HAS changed. When you started entering the code, it would display (code not correct) until you entered the fifth digit. Today, you get no such comment = so some changes have been made.

Interestingly yesterday, I did get through once, today I didn't get thru at all, despite more tries. This is less of a "hit ratio" than on the old form, so yeah, I think people do have a point in their suspicions.

Some posts I've read and I've thought... oh come on, get a life, and I do have a life... but I do think people's concerns about this new form are valid. There is a reason it has been altered.

But no amount of complaining, whinging, and petitions or even boycotting is gonna change this, let's make that clear. These programme makers are savvy enough to know that they can do what they want and people will still cling to them. Anyone complaining about their procedures will just be accused of being sore losers, or unrealistic in their expectations.
 
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Dear Clemens2, I do not agree with your last paragraph. ( The programme makers.) As you mentioned are not the ones it will effect but the sponsers .
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unless i see something that says that the web entry form has been changed i WILL NOT be entering any of the competitions during this series

it is grossly unfair to have a free entry then make it as awkward as possible for ppl to enter - so channel 4 and endomol can either change it back or lose confidence in their viewers


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Hey, to email about this its.....dot4@Channel4.co.uk the reply i got yesterday was............they thanked me for informing them, then said they will investigate it immediatly. Good luck all


Just a thought, these kids love names like twizzlers, happy meal, why dont you come up with great sounding names for dishes, make them sound more appealing to kids!
 
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Just sent this to their contact address....

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Hello,

As an avid viewer of Deal or No Deal I was glad to see it back on channel 4 on Monday. During the last series it was very rare if I missed a day of completing the free online web entry for the competition. However I was digusted to find that your web development team has replaced the easy to use, flash based system with an inaccessible AJAX implementation. Plus one of those stupid, unusable random code generators that rarely generates an understandable series of characters. To be blunt, not a happy bunny at all.

No one likes filling in forms on the web. So have the flash version where you could just rewind the playback was an acceptable alternative. In fact as good accessibility and usability, if you are requesting the same information from a user more than once (apparently up to 30 times per day), you shouldn't make them have to re-enter their details each time. It should be prefilled for them. You are supposed to make the whole process as simple and as easy as possible. And don't tell me this wouldn't be something easy to implement. You could easily ask people to register their details once, and allow them the ability to enter the competition each day - that way (as you seem to think you care so much about our privacy and personal details) we wouldn't have to submit them each time over the net for someone to listen in to.

I am surprised to see the site using such an inaccessible form using AJAX and JavaScript. It means that any user who has javascript turned off or not available on their browser, just won't be able to use it.

And as for that "catchpa" you have used, that is the worst thing you could have done. I can understand why a site like yahoo would want to implement such a device, but your reasoning "for your security" is deplorable. It's to slow down the demand on your servers, and to be honest if you know how popular the service is, and if you are prone to DOS attacks, then you should build for that and not downgrade the service to your honest users.

And my main big issue with this new security widget of yours, is that it really does make entering the competition practically impossible - yet we are told you have just as much chance winning via the form than phoning. The characters generated are unreadable, and so anything you enter is almost always wrong, and since you don't pre fill the form for us, we have to go through that whole scam again. And most importantly of all, you have discriminated against a whole population of disabled users including the visually impared who can't see the image, and they have no alternative way of finding out what the 'special' code they have to enter is, and can not therefore enter the competition. There is no alternative text for their screen reader, or chosen web browsing client, to read out to them. And not allowing them the ability to enter is against the law. You are actively discriminating against them and have not provide any online means of them being able to.

I suggest your technical guys and your lawyers read this: http://www.webcredible.co.uk/user-friendly-resources/we...l-requirements.shtml

In particular this bit....

Can you be sued?

Basically, yes. The RNIB has approached two large companies with regard to their websites. When they raised the accessibility issues of the websites under the DDA, both companies made the necessary changes, rather than facing the prospect of legal action (in exchange for anonymity).


Hope you get this sorted as soon as possible as you have not only pissed off a whole load of genuine fans, your'e breaking the law!


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Let's see if we get a response

Phoebehey
 
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phoebe - will u be my new best friend - lol - thats one of the best complaint letters i have ever seen - hope it works


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At last the problem seems to be resolved. got past the coding system first time.

good luck everybody

Cool Security is the name of the game


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But no way to shortcut the system. Just means having to fill in the form every time with a new code.

Cool Security is the name of the game


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First timer, hope it goes through.
What would happen if we left the birth date boxes at 1 jan 1900
 
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its working fine today... about time!


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I have no problems with the form working just the success rate is 0/30
 
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All am I getting is the form to fill in and the box saying please fill in the letters - what letters there is none there!!?
 
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Well done a brilliant complaint and a useful tip about java.Let's hope they act.
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Originally posted by phoebehey:
Just sent this to their contact address....

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Hello,

As an avid viewer of Deal or No Deal I was glad to see it back on channel 4 on Monday. During the last series it was very rare if I missed a day of completing the free online web entry for the competition. However I was digusted to find that your web development team has replaced the easy to use, flash based system with an inaccessible AJAX implementation. Plus one of those stupid, unusable random code generators that rarely generates an understandable series of characters. To be blunt, not a happy bunny at all.

No one likes filling in forms on the web. So have the flash version where you could just rewind the playback was an acceptable alternative. In fact as good accessibility and usability, if you are requesting the same information from a user more than once (apparently up to 30 times per day), you shouldn't make them have to re-enter their details each time. It should be prefilled for them. You are supposed to make the whole process as simple and as easy as possible. And don't tell me this wouldn't be something easy to implement. You could easily ask people to register their details once, and allow them the ability to enter the competition each day - that way (as you seem to think you care so much about our privacy and personal details) we wouldn't have to submit them each time over the net for someone to listen in to.

I am surprised to see the site using such an inaccessible form using AJAX and JavaScript. It means that any user who has javascript turned off or not available on their browser, just won't be able to use it.

And as for that "catchpa" you have used, that is the worst thing you could have done. I can understand why a site like yahoo would want to implement such a device, but your reasoning "for your security" is deplorable. It's to slow down the demand on your servers, and to be honest if you know how popular the service is, and if you are prone to DOS attacks, then you should build for that and not downgrade the service to your honest users.

And my main big issue with this new security widget of yours, is that it really does make entering the competition practically impossible - yet we are told you have just as much chance winning via the form than phoning. The characters generated are unreadable, and so anything you enter is almost always wrong, and since you don't pre fill the form for us, we have to go through that whole scam again. And most importantly of all, you have discriminated against a whole population of disabled users including the visually impared who can't see the image, and they have no alternative way of finding out what the 'special' code they have to enter is, and can not therefore enter the competition. There is no alternative text for their screen reader, or chosen web browsing client, to read out to them. And not allowing them the ability to enter is against the law. You are actively discriminating against them and have not provide any online means of them being able to.

I suggest your technical guys and your lawyers read this: http://www.webcredible.co.uk/user-friendly-resources/we...l-requirements.shtml

In particular this bit....

Can you be sued?

Basically, yes. The RNIB has approached two large companies with regard to their websites. When they raised the accessibility issues of the websites under the DDA, both companies made the necessary changes, rather than facing the prospect of legal action (in exchange for anonymity).


Hope you get this sorted as soon as possible as you have not only pissed off a whole load of genuine fans, your'e breaking the law!


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Let's see if we get a response

Phoebehey
 
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mmmm i only got 2 out of 30... and it takes ages to fill the form every time... I left the date of birth boxes as they were, and it worked fine


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Hmm - Phoebehey's complaint must have worked - they don't check any more to make sure that your entry code matches the picture. Try making it up, as long as it is 5 characters, it is still accepted ...

Also - has anyone been told once they reach 30 attempts that they can't enter any more??
 
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Also - I know this used to be a worry for people, but I have won from a web entry in the last series so it can be done. Unfortunately only £1000 Frown
 
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Lin49, I'm glad its not just me who can't see the code. I thought I was going daft.
 
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we need a message now to say 30 limit reached because I think it voids your entires if you go over?






 
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