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Originally posted by RedJooles:

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Originally posted by Milan K:
Judging is always a big thing in the mind of the god botherers. Why do you think that is?

But it's not OUR job, is it?

Whatever job there is is OUR job, of course. Gods, goblins, trolls and leprechauns are usually absent when you require them to do some judging -or cooking, or typing or vacuum cleaning.

My point was that god botherers seem to be rather obsessed about judging -and punishing and weeping and gnashing of teeth. It's part of their sickness.

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Originally posted by Milan K:
My point was that god botherers seem to be rather obsessed about judging -and punishing and weeping and gnashing of teeth. It's part of their sickness.

The Bible also says a lot (predominantly) about love, peace, looking after others, putting others first, dieing for others, giving to those in need and loving God - that's what I'm "obsessed" with!!

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Originally posted by RedJooles:

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Originally posted by Milan K:
My point was that god botherers seem to be rather obsessed about judging -and punishing and weeping and gnashing of teeth. It's part of their sickness.

The Bible also says a lot (predominantly) about love, peace, looking after others, putting others first, dieing for others, giving to those in need and loving God - that's what I'm "obsessed" with!!

The bible says exceedingly little about love, peace, looking after others and giving to those in need.

It says a lot about fearing god and worshipping god and the dreadful consequences of not worshipping the sadistic god of the bible.

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Originally posted by RedJooles:

But it's not OUR job, is it?

So why do we have a criminal justice system?

Why do we have so many police?

Why do we have barristers, solicitors, judges?

And here's the crunch - how can the Christian church take credit for being the foundation of all this stuff, when according to its principles we're not allowed to judge each other...?

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Originally posted by Heselbine:

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Originally posted by RedJooles:

But it's not OUR job, is it?

how can the Christian church take credit for being the foundation of all this stuff, when according to its principles we're not allowed to judge each other...?

Well, Hes, regarding this topic, as usual with the bible, there is a verse to suit all tastes.

For example, we have:

Matthew 7:1
"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

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John 12:47
"And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world."

But we also have:

John 9:39
"And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world."


Take your pick.

Science describes the phenomenal world. The world of trees and mountains.

Religion deals with how you feel about the trees and mountains and therefore cannot be objective.

The interplay between the two is where the true creative process surely lies. The genius of Einstein was definitely a lot of perspiration but inspiration was a massive part of his work.

To dismiss Religion as nothing more than “an affectation of thought” surely goes some way to invalidating the freedom of thought which is the hallmark of the genius.

And that being said, surely once the criteria for what is legitimate and what is not is set we are all in danger of conditioning our children into what to think and not how to think.

I personally believe that whatever Ills religion is implicated in the results of its suppression are far more damaging. And that learning tolerance, a good thing whatever banner you are lined up behind is the real challenge to believers and none believers alike.

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Originally posted by Rowan22:

Religion deals with how you feel about the trees and mountains and therefore cannot be objective.

No it doesn't. It's a load of mythology based on what bronze-age goat herders thought the world was about taken too seriously by people detached from reality.

Or alternatively, if it is what you say it is, why is a woman in Sudan receiving death threats for allowing children to call a teddy bear Mohammed because of what someone feels about a tree?

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Originally posted by smokeAndMirrors:

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Originally posted by Rowan22:

Religion deals with how you feel about the trees and mountains and therefore cannot be objective.

No it doesn't. It's a load of mythology based on what bronze-age goat herders thought the world was about taken too seriously by people detached from reality.

Or alternatively, if it is what you say it is, why is a woman in Sudan receiving death threats for allowing children to call a teddy bear Mohammed because of what someone feels about a tree?

What have you atheists got against the Bronze Age and innocent goat herders?

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No it doesn't. It's a load of mythology based on what bronze-age goat herders thought the world was about taken too seriously by people detached from reality.

Or alternatively, if it is what you say it is, why is a woman in Sudan receiving death threats for allowing children to call a teddy bear Mohammed because of what someone feels about a tree?

Because mankind has free will and that means you can be choose to be an arse if you want!!

Or at least think your choosing lol!!

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What have you atheists got against the Bronze Age and innocent goat herders?

Nothing their closer in essence to the truth, and that really bugs the borg !!!

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Originally posted by Rowan22:

Because mankind has free will and that means you can be choose to be an arse if you want!!

Fine, but that also means your definition of religion is not representative. Clearly it's many things to many people.

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Fine, but that also means your definition of religion is not representative. Clearly it's many things to many people.

I agree (I'm not religious) by the way. I just think if we don’t preserve reason as the standard, and in that tolerance which is wholly reasonable then we are as bad, no worse than they.

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Originally posted by smokeAndMirrors:

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Originally posted by Rowan22:

Religion deals with how you feel about the trees and mountains and therefore cannot be objective.

No it doesn't. It's a load of mythology based on what bronze-age goat herders thought the world was about taken too seriously by people detached from reality.

Or alternatively, if it is what you say it is, why is a woman in Sudan receiving death threats for allowing children to call a teddy bear Mohammed because of what someone feels about a tree?

You may be generalizing all religious ideologies into one lump. A little bit of research into science philosophies of Western Europe over the last four centuries will help make things more specific.

The topic of the thread is too broad an area. The different attitides of each religious group is vast ranging, even the scientific philosphical thought with reniassence and reformation thinking is very different.

However, full credit to the poster who can up with the thread. Very laudable subject .

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Originally posted by Rowan22:
Science describes the phenomenal world. The world of trees and mountains.

Religion deals with how you feel about the trees and mountains and therefore cannot be objective.

That would be psychology or maybe esthetics. But not religion. Religion is about sucking up to your gods to go to heaven and gloating about how the infidels are going to suffer eternal torment in hell. It also involves believing a lot of stupid, infantile stuff. A lot, actually.

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That would be psychology or maybe esthetics. But not religion. Religion is about sucking up to your gods to go to heaven and gloating about how the infidels are going to suffer eternal torment in hell. It also involves believing a lot of stupid, infantile stuff. A lot, actually.

I suppose my asking if you would like to take out an annual subscription to watchtower is out of the question then lol.

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
I can't fail to be impressed by this woman's faith and strength of belief, and hope that God takes pity on her, and allows her the eternity with Him which she so clearly craved.

You really don't understand monotheistic tenets do you. If the JW version of christianity is correct then she will have done the right thing by the true god and therefore she will get whatever the JW god decides her life deserved, be it heaven or hell.

If, however, your version of this mythical god is correct then she, as a JW, is a heretic so her death is a good thing. A heretic also cannot gain entry to heaven unless they convert to the "true" faith (whichever that is?) before their death. If you truly believe your version of christianity is the right one then you are actually doing wrong by entertaining the beliefs of heretics or consorting with them.

However, being nothing more than a previously banned and silly troll you once again expose your lack of knowledge in the religion you claim to be a adherent of.