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Originally posted by stuart_2:
Actually I'm a bit new to this and my post isn't quite right. I meant to say

Is it a case of the Bible says so therefore it must be true and because it's true and it's in the Bible, the Bible must be true?

Excuse my mistake, sorry.

I think that's the same as saying that I believe in God, and I believe that the Bible is God's inspired and infallible word, so if it says it in the Bible, then it must be true.
Is that what you meant?

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:

I think that's the same as saying that I believe in God, and I believe that the Bible is God's inspired and infallible word, so if it says it in the Bible, then it must be true.
Is that what you meant?

So in the infallible word, how many days after resurrection did jesus ascend to heaven?
A simple numerical answer will suffice.

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Originally posted by free_thinker:

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:

I think that's the same as saying that I believe in God, and I believe that the Bible is God's inspired and infallible word, so if it says it in the Bible, then it must be true.
Is that what you meant?

So in the infallible word, how many days after resurrection did jesus ascend to heaven?
A simple numerical answer will suffice.

Go on then: Tell me.

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
Go on then: Tell me.

It's your book, you claim it is infallible, so do tell which of the 4 contradictory answers is the correct one, and more importantly what does that make the others.
Here's a clue, it begins with W.
It's not a long word, you should be able to find it in a dictionary.

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Originally posted by free_thinker:

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
Go on then: Tell me.

It's your book, you claim it is infallible, so do tell which of the 4 contradictory answers is the correct one, and more importantly what does that make the others.
Here's a clue, it begins with W.
It's not a long word, you should be able to find it in a dictionary.

OK: "On the third day He ascended into heaven....
But He appeared to His disciples as late as the eighth day, and even as far as the 40th day.
Evidently, He came and went? Or appeared only in spiritual form?
So, since you're the expert on dictionaries, perhaps you'd like to tell us what the w word is?
According to past performance, I guess it must be close to wane and wand, probably before want.
Am I right?

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:

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Originally posted by free_thinker:

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
Go on then: Tell me.

It's your book, you claim it is infallible, so do tell which of the 4 contradictory answers is the correct one, and more importantly what does that make the others.
Here's a clue, it begins with W.
It's not a long word, you should be able to find it in a dictionary.

OK: "On the third day He ascended into heaven....
But He appeared to His disciples as late as the eighth day, and even as far as the 40th day.
Evidently, He came and went? Or appeared only in spiritual form?
So, since you're the expert on dictionaries, perhaps you'd like to tell us what the w word is?
According to past performance, I guess it must be close to wane and wand, probably before want.
Am I right?

0/10.
For someone professing such faith in the absolute word of an old book you are remarkably ignorant of it.
Jeebus rose from the grave after 3 days. Care to include a verse reference to your quote above.
The question was about ascent to heaven.
Acts 1:2-3, 9 clearly and unequivocally excludes ascension before 40 days.
Mark 16:9-19 and Luke 24:1-51 state the day of resurrection.
These statements are mutually exclusive.
Put simply for your benefit (avoiding long words) one of them is WRONG.

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
Evidently....

Lol.

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Originally posted by Asarualim:

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
Evidently....

Lol.

Thank you: I sometimes think that the care and attention which I put into my posts is wasted.

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Originally posted by free_thinker:

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:

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Originally posted by free_thinker:

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
Go on then: Tell me.

It's your book, you claim it is infallible, so do tell which of the 4 contradictory answers is the correct one, and more importantly what does that make the others.
Here's a clue, it begins with W.
It's not a long word, you should be able to find it in a dictionary.

OK: "On the third day He ascended into heaven....
But He appeared to His disciples as late as the eighth day, and even as far as the 40th day.
Evidently, He came and went? Or appeared only in spiritual form?
So, since you're the expert on dictionaries, perhaps you'd like to tell us what the w word is?
According to past performance, I guess it must be close to wane and wand, probably before want.
Am I right?

0/10.
For someone professing such faith in the absolute word of an old book you are remarkably ignorant of it.
Jeebus rose from the grave after 3 days. Care to include a verse reference to your quote above.
The question was about ascent to heaven.
Acts 1:2-3, 9 clearly and unequivocally excludes ascension before 40 days.
Mark 16:9-19 and Luke 24:1-51 state the day of resurrection.
These statements are mutually exclusive.
Put simply for your benefit (avoiding long words) one of them is WRONG.

Hey; respec' free thinker: You've clearly been putting in the hours for your research: "WRONG" must be at least two or three pages away from the nearest rude word.

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:

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Originally posted by free_thinker:
0/10.
For someone professing such faith in the absolute word of an old book you are remarkably ignorant of it.
Jeebus rose from the grave after 3 days. Care to include a verse reference to your quote above.
The question was about ascent to heaven.
Acts 1:2-3, 9 clearly and unequivocally excludes ascension before 40 days.
Mark 16:9-19 and Luke 24:1-51 state the day of resurrection.
These statements are mutually exclusive.
Put simply for your benefit (avoiding long words) one of them is WRONG.

Hey; respec' free thinker: You've clearly been putting in the hours for your research: "WRONG" must be at least two or three pages away from the nearest rude word.

So, rather than facing up to the uncomfortable truth that your supposed inerrant book contain hundreds of errors and contradictions like this you make a pathetic childish attempt at humour.
This demonstrates just how weak you position is that when faced with clear unequivocal evidence you have nothing but insults.

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Originally posted by free_thinker:

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:

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Originally posted by free_thinker:
0/10.
For someone professing such faith in the absolute word of an old book you are remarkably ignorant of it.
Jeebus rose from the grave after 3 days. Care to include a verse reference to your quote above.
The question was about ascent to heaven.
Acts 1:2-3, 9 clearly and unequivocally excludes ascension before 40 days.
Mark 16:9-19 and Luke 24:1-51 state the day of resurrection.
These statements are mutually exclusive.
Put simply for your benefit (avoiding long words) one of them is WRONG.

Hey; respec' free thinker: You've clearly been putting in the hours for your research: "WRONG" must be at least two or three pages away from the nearest rude word.

So, rather than facing up to the uncomfortable truth that your supposed inerrant book contain hundreds of errors and contradictions like this you make a pathetic childish attempt at humour.
This demonstrates just how weak you position is that when faced with clear unequivocal evidence you have nothing but insults.

I seem to remember a similar response regarding the alleged resurrection too, probably with Mr W in "another life". No one is actually recorded as seeing this event. Only that he was seen after his alleged death.
Amazing no one actually came to the conclusion that, if the crucifixion happened at all, he may have survived it !!!

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Originally posted by Greenjack:

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Originally posted by free_thinker:

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:

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Originally posted by free_thinker:
0/10.
For someone professing such faith in the absolute word of an old book you are remarkably ignorant of it.
Jeebus rose from the grave after 3 days. Care to include a verse reference to your quote above.
The question was about ascent to heaven.
Acts 1:2-3, 9 clearly and unequivocally excludes ascension before 40 days.
Mark 16:9-19 and Luke 24:1-51 state the day of resurrection.
These statements are mutually exclusive.
Put simply for your benefit (avoiding long words) one of them is WRONG.

Hey; respec' free thinker: You've clearly been putting in the hours for your research: "WRONG" must be at least two or three pages away from the nearest rude word.

So, rather than facing up to the uncomfortable truth that your supposed inerrant book contain hundreds of errors and contradictions like this you make a pathetic childish attempt at humour.
This demonstrates just how weak you position is that when faced with clear unequivocal evidence you have nothing but insults.

I seem to remember a similar response regarding the alleged resurrection too, probably with Mr W in "another life". No one is actually recorded as seeing this event. Only that he was seen after his alleged death.
Amazing no one actually came to the conclusion that, if the crucifixion happened at all, he may have survived it !!!

Right, so He was beaten to within an inch of His life, hung on a cross for much of the day, then speared in the side so that blood and water (Which in itself is indicative of death) flowed from Him, then He was put in a cave sealed with a boulder. Then He woke up three days later, and quite simply pushed said boulder out of the way - Fortunately without making any noise, so that the guards didn't notice......
Yeah, that's a possibility.

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Originally posted by free_thinker:

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:

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Originally posted by free_thinker:
0/10.
For someone professing such faith in the absolute word of an old book you are remarkably ignorant of it.
Jeebus rose from the grave after 3 days. Care to include a verse reference to your quote above.
The question was about ascent to heaven.
Acts 1:2-3, 9 clearly and unequivocally excludes ascension before 40 days.
Mark 16:9-19 and Luke 24:1-51 state the day of resurrection.
These statements are mutually exclusive.
Put simply for your benefit (avoiding long words) one of them is WRONG.

Hey; respec' free thinker: You've clearly been putting in the hours for your research: "WRONG" must be at least two or three pages away from the nearest rude word.

So, rather than facing up to the uncomfortable truth that your supposed inerrant book contain hundreds of errors and contradictions like this you make a pathetic childish attempt at humour.
This demonstrates just how weak you position is that when faced with clear unequivocal evidence you have nothing but insults.

So how about these lizards and snakes, then. Why is it better to have no legs, and when did they become different species?

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:

Right, so He was beaten to within an inch of His life, hung on a cross for much of the day, then speared in the side so that blood and water (Which in itself is indicative of death) flowed from Him, then He was put in a cave sealed with a boulder. Then He woke up three days later, and quite simply pushed said boulder out of the way - Fortunately without making any noise, so that the guards didn't notice......
Yeah, that's a possibility.

Is there not the distinct possibility that any of these details (including whether it happened at all) were simply made up to add validity to the claims? Is that possible, RS?

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
So how about these lizards and snakes, then. Why is it better to have no legs,

Yawn.... So they can go down holes better

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and when did they become different species?

When they could no longer successfully breed with each other... yawn.

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Originally posted by Heselbine:

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:

Right, so He was beaten to within an inch of His life, hung on a cross for much of the day, then speared in the side so that blood and water (Which in itself is indicative of death) flowed from Him, then He was put in a cave sealed with a boulder. Then He woke up three days later, and quite simply pushed said boulder out of the way - Fortunately without making any noise, so that the guards didn't notice......
Yeah, that's a possibility.

Is there not the distinct possibility that any of these details (including whether it happened at all) were simply made up to add validity to the claims? Is that possible, RS?

I guess that anything's possible......

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
Right, so He was beaten to within an inch of His life, hung on a cross for much of the day, then speared in the side so that blood and water (Which in itself is indicative of death) flowed from Him, then He was put in a cave sealed with a boulder. Then He woke up three days later, and quite simply pushed said boulder out of the way - Fortunately without making any noise, so that the guards didn't notice......
Yeah, that's a possibility.

as I said, all this is only alleged ! we only have your highly suspect bible to go on.
But lets assume for a moment that it happened, your comment "so that blood and water (Which in itself is indicative of death) flowed from Him" is wrong. The build up of serous fluids in either the pleural or peritoneal cavity is common in those suffering from certain conditions WHILE THEY ARE ALIVE!!! Crucifixion is said to have caused death by asphyxiation probably due to (amongst other factors) a build up of fluid in the pleural cavity. The amounts of fluid can be considerable. I regularly receive litres of the stuff for diagnostic examination from a single patient.
Therefore the piercing my just have served to relieve his suffering and perhaps prolong his life on the cross.

ps, corpses rarely bleed either.

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Originally posted by Mr Woolf:

I guess that anything's possible......

OK...so then the question is how possible is it? What are the relative probabilities of

a) the story being as written, or pretty much as written, or
b) the story being grossly misrepresented, or
c) the story being complete fiction?

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Originally posted by Greenjack:

Therefore the piercing my just have served to relieve his suffering and perhaps prolong his life on the cross.

Interesting - when I did an Alpha course this was supposedly one of the clinchers for proving the resurrection.

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Originally posted by Heselbine:
Interesting - when I did an Alpha course this was supposedly one of the clinchers for proving the resurrection.

Yes, I know.
I have been asked about this before by people on the alpha course. Comes as a bit of a shock to them.
Not sure if the reason for peircing crucifixion victims was really to relieve their suffering though. More likely to prolong their time in what was probably still an agonising torture.