The UK is bult on a policy of freedom and freedom of speech. Enjoy it. I'm Atheist so may burn in whoevers hell they wish, but thats your hell, not mine, I dont push mine on yours so why should i only be worthy of death because i dont believe in a God which isnt mine.
Also if i were religious, being a world traveller, i work in the merchant navy, if i have to travel through Saudi Arabia, I cannot take Camera's, Magazines, Books, A Bible if i worshipped it, CD's or Music Tapes with Covers incase they might offend or be found, its totally illegal as a foreigner. is there this blocking of freedom here? No.
Do I wish to follow Sharia Law? No, If someone wishes to have parts of it integrated into Society, write to your local MP, if you feel they cannot represent anyone properly, vote someone else in next time, this is democracy & freedom.
I hae many beliefs, all non-religious, I also have no wish to push any of them on anyone else, I know who likes what i do , so will stick in that community, it doesnt keep me seperate from everyone else in the country.
There is enough in the world for everyone, all it takes is everyone to stop being shitty to everyone else and just try and get along, this is to everyone, no one person race or religion.
Nobody should be pushing their ideals religious or political at the end of a gun sword, or bomb.
The Human Race Will Screw itself totally if it carries on this way.
Okay this thread is a little detached, i just right it as it comes out.
It is my belief that anyone who has to kill in the name of a God or Religion is just looking for an excuse to fight, look at the real facts, talk, and dont push what you religiously believe as an excuse because you want more land, dont believe what the other person believes in, hate their family, whatever , LETS JUST STOP BEING SHITTY TO EVERYONE.
If everyone stops being shitty, maybe a bit more trust in everyone globally will occur, no one will fear to go anywhere, greed drives alot of people, whatever, had enough now, lol, you get the idea.
Do you no what i find funny about religion ,we always get told that if you sin and dont beleive in god your going to hell , well i say bring it on hell doesnt sound like such a bad place to me and the devil sounds like a pretty cool guy lets look at the facts . God doesnt want you drinking, partying having sex listening to rock music ,well lets just say he doesnt want you doing anything thats fun whilst the devil is all on partying getting pissed and shagging basically everything we enjoy doing , i know which one sounds good to me , personally i think God sounds a bit like a communist. I know this is a bit off subject but i felt like ranting
As a person who partied extremely hard I believe that it is a rather empty pursuit. I am not here to say what you should be doing but to put across my own personal experience of what you have said.
For many years I had meaningless sex with girlfriends and one night stands, but afterwards it left me cold and empty. It was all very exciting before the deed was done, but that moment later I felt like the only connection that was made was on a purely physical basis. I felt as if although my body had temporarily been satisfied, my spiritual self had suffered a detrimental effect. I stopped this long before I converted to Islam and only had intercourse with my commited partner, then we got married. Since then I feel like sex means something more than a base animalistic function. I feel love for my partner and this is displayed in every day interaction. This is also displayed with other people I love in every day interaction, but there is that extra special way of displaying your love for your partner. When you reserve one aspect of your life for your partner it becomes special and creates a bond that only the two of you can understand. If you share this aspect of your life with many people it looses its uniqueness.
As for alcohol (and drugs), this is also a temporary state. It is a high that can deminish the rest of your life. Ask anyone who takes ecstasy. Once you have gone to a club on this drug, going again without it is simply not as good. The same with alcohol.
One must ask oneself why you wish to change the normal state of your consciousness? Why does a toxin make someone have a better time than they would have had without it?
Everyone knows what it is like to join up with a group of friends who have been drinking all day and you have not. People talk crap, become louder and generally not as nice people. Occasions of "the happy drunk" are quite frequent, but we all know the majority of people become fools.
People loose their inhibitions from drugs and then would do things that they wouldn't normally do, like have sex with strangers they won't even have anymore contact with. Why would you share something so intimate as sex with someone you don't even want to have a relationship with?
Finally, I think the bravado that people talk about God, heaven, hell and the devil, is just that bravado because they don't believe in it. Why do people believe that there will be no drugs or sex in heaven? Who told you this? As far as Muslims are aware, these things are prohibited on earth and it will be a different situation in heaven. For a Muslim hell will not be an all night rock party with sex and drugs, but a place of pain.
For a Muslim the devil is our mortal enemy. He wishes to take us to the place where he is going. He will not be the master of that place, but one of the chastised and he wishes to take as many of us with him as possible. Muslim belief is that we have two enemies, the devil and our nuffs (don't know how to spell it in English). Nuffs can be very oosly translated into desires. We believe everyone, both Muslim and non-Muslims, can achieve great spiritual benefits from controlling their nuffs. This is self evident in Buddists, Christians, Hindus, Muslims and people who do not give in to their desires, such as sports people. Hedonistic self indulgence is not seen, even in secular society, as a beneficial activity for the individual or society. It leads to obesity, disease, mental health problems, inequality in society and a self orientated mentallity.
So if pure hedonistism is self evidently bad for you, what effects does the other end of the scale have?
This should remind us that religion is the mortal enemy of freedom. Kevlar et al are flashing swords at invisible entities, and everyone else is being cut by them.
This should remind us that religion is the mortal enemy of freedom. Kevlar et al are flashing swords at invisible entities, and everyone else is being cut by them.
This should remind us that religion is the mortal enemy of freedom. Kevlar et al are flashing swords at invisible entities, and everyone else is being cut by them.
Truly the stuff of insanity.
Great analysis of my post.
You'll get great analyses when you make a great post.
This should remind us that religion is the mortal enemy of freedom. Kevlar et al are flashing swords at invisible entities, and everyone else is being cut by them.
Truly the stuff of insanity.
Great analysis of my post.
You'll get great analyses when you make a great post.
Brilliant InAbsentia, your ridiculousness has reach new hieghts.
This should remind us that religion is the mortal enemy of freedom. Kevlar et al are flashing swords at invisible entities, and everyone else is being cut by them.
Truly the stuff of insanity.
Great analysis of my post.
Now, now, Kev. Simply because InAb sees through the smokescreen of your ambiguous rhetoric and supplies perspective, is no reason not to agree with what he is saying.
Trouble is, you're at the point with most of us that anything we say you automatically have an issue with. What you don't realise is that, mostly, we're all correct and that, mostly, you're not.
This should remind us that religion is the mortal enemy of freedom. Kevlar et al are flashing swords at invisible entities, and everyone else is being cut by them.
Truly the stuff of insanity.
Great analysis of my post.
Now, now, Kev. Simply because InAb sees through the smokescreen of your ambiguous rhetoric and supplies perspective, is no reason not to agree with what he is saying.
Trouble is, you're at the point with most of us that anything we say you automatically have an issue with. What you don't realise is that, mostly, we're all correct and that, mostly, you're not.
Would you like to point out what was incorrect about my post?
Originally posted by 600cc: Trouble is, you're at the point with most of us that anything we say you automatically have an issue with. What you don't realise is that, mostly, we're all correct and that, mostly, you're not.
Would you like to point out what was incorrect about my post?
Wouldn't know where to start. Oooo, hang on. What about this gem:
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Whimpered by Kevlar, clearly not successful at picking up women unless at the point of an Islamic sword:
People loose their inhibitions from drugs and then would do things that they wouldn't normally do, like have sex with strangers they won't even have anymore contact with. Why would you share something so intimate as sex with someone you don't even want to have a relationship with?
Because it's fun, you moron. I realise you may not understand the concept since Allah probably forbids it unless it's on his terms (Peace And Jam Be Upon Him!).
Anyway, crack on old boy, this is fun and I'm bored this afternoon.
Whatever floats your boat. I, personaly, do not need drugs to have fun and I certainly do not like sharing intimacies with people I will never meet again. Maybe the norms of this country are not compatible with Islamic values, but luckily I do not have to be around to watch your depravity. Is this how you would want your, mother, sister, daughter to act?
Originally posted by kevlar: Whatever floats your boat. I, personaly, do not need drugs to have fun and I certainly do not like sharing intimacies with people I will never meet again. Maybe the norms of this country are not compatible with Islamic values, but luckily I do not have to be around to watch your depravity. Is this how you would want your, mother, sister, daughter to act?
That would be entirely up to them. My mother and father have been happily married for almost 40 years. My sister has most likely sh4gged most of Somerset. That's up to her.
Of course the norms of this country are not compatible with Islamic values, which is why I keep saying if you want Sharia, then s0d off to Saudi.
Originally posted by kevlar: Whatever floats your boat. I, personaly, do not need drugs to have fun
Me neither!
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and I certainly do not like sharing intimacies with people I will never meet again.
That's fine. I don't have a problem with that. But other people do like it. And that's their right, and they're no less valiud human beings because of it. If they treat their lovers with respect then all power to them. Me? When I was younger I would've if I could've. One way or another I didn't. And you're right, it probably gets boring and pointless if it's free and easy. So does anything. But when people start scoring moral points off others like you and your religious chums do, that's when society starts to go to pieces. You are not holier than anyone else, you never have been, you never will be, no matter how many times you bow to Mecca and flog yourself.
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Is this how you would want your, mother, sister, daughter to act?
How telling that you did not say "father, brother or son". Not only are you a fascist, you are an anti-semite and a mysoginist.
Originally posted by kevlar: Whatever floats your boat. I, personaly, do not need drugs to have fun and I certainly do not like sharing intimacies with people I will never meet again. Maybe the norms of this country are not compatible with Islamic values, but luckily I do not have to be around to watch your depravity. Is this how you would want your, mother, sister, daughter to act?
That would be entirely up to them. My mother and father have been happily married for almost 40 years. My sister has most likely sh4gged most of Somerset. That's up to her.
Of course the norms of this country are not compatible with Islamic values, which is why I keep saying if you want Sharia, then s0d off to Saudi.
Originally posted by kevlar: Whatever floats your boat. I, personaly, do not need drugs to have fun and I certainly do not like sharing intimacies with people I will never meet again. Maybe the norms of this country are not compatible with Islamic values, but luckily I do not have to be around to watch your depravity. Is this how you would want your, mother, sister, daughter to act?
That would be entirely up to them. My mother and father have been happily married for almost 40 years. My sister has most likely sh4gged most of Somerset. That's up to her.
Of course the norms of this country are not compatible with Islamic values, which is why I keep saying if you want Sharia, then s0d off to Saudi.
You forgot about your daughter.
Oh yeah. When I have one she'll probably sh4g your son and give him siphilis.
Originally posted by kevlar: Whatever floats your boat. I, personaly, do not need drugs to have fun
Me neither!
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and I certainly do not like sharing intimacies with people I will never meet again.
That's fine. I don't have a problem with that. But other people do like it. And that's their right, and they're no less valiud human beings because of it. If they treat their lovers with respect then all power to them. Me? When I was younger I would've if I could've. One way or another I didn't. And you're right, it probably gets boring and pointless if it's free and easy. So does anything. But when people start scoring moral points off others like you and your religious chums do, that's when society starts to go to pieces. You are not holier than anyone else, you never have been, you never will be, no matter how many times you bow to Mecca and flog yourself.
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Is this how you would want your, mother, sister, daughter to act?
How telling that you did not say "father, brother or son". Not only are you a fascist, you are an anti-semite and a mysoginist.
I except your critisism of differentiating the genders, however this was due to the secular societies view of one night stands and Islams. Islam views it an equal crime whether it is a man or a woman. Whilst look at how many derogative words secular society has for a premiscuous woman compared to a man. So I was appealing to what I believed was secular societies more sensitive side.
Originally posted by kevlar: Whatever floats your boat. I, personaly, do not need drugs to have fun and I certainly do not like sharing intimacies with people I will never meet again. Maybe the norms of this country are not compatible with Islamic values, but luckily I do not have to be around to watch your depravity. Is this how you would want your, mother, sister, daughter to act?
That would be entirely up to them. My mother and father have been happily married for almost 40 years. My sister has most likely sh4gged most of Somerset. That's up to her.
Of course the norms of this country are not compatible with Islamic values, which is why I keep saying if you want Sharia, then s0d off to Saudi.
You forgot about your daughter.
Oh yeah. When I have one she'll probably sh4g your son and give him siphilis.
the problem with religion is you have to live your life a certain way therefore your not free , did you ever think if there is a god(which there isnt) then maybe he made you to enjoy your life
Originally posted by kevlar: As a person who partied extremely hard I believe that it is a rather empty pursuit. I am not here to say what you should be doing but to put across my own personal experience of what you have said.
For many years I had meaningless sex with girlfriends and one night stands, but afterwards it left me cold and empty. It was all very exciting before the deed was done, but that moment later I felt like the only connection that was made was on a purely physical basis. I felt as if although my body had temporarily been satisfied, my spiritual self had suffered a detrimental effect. I stopped this long before I converted to Islam and only had intercourse with my commited partner, then we got married. Since then I feel like sex means something more than a base animalistic function. I feel love for my partner and this is displayed in every day interaction. This is also displayed with other people I love in every day interaction, but there is that extra special way of displaying your love for your partner. When you reserve one aspect of your life for your partner it becomes special and creates a bond that only the two of you can understand. If you share this aspect of your life with many people it looses its uniqueness.
A quick point Kevlar, I'm really glad that you have a great relationship with your partner, but when you look back at your past, do you really regret doing what you did? Is the fact that you have such a happy life now really 100% due to Islam? One of the things that I really don't buy into the whole sin/guilt/repentance thing that comes with religion is that it always ignores the fact that it's your own past experiences that make you the person who you are. If you hadn't had made what you might consider to be mistakes, you wouldn't have learnt from them, and you wouldn't understand what you do today. Also would you still be so happy, or would you be wondering what life would be like if you had done them?
I'm in my mid 20's now, but when I was in my late teens I did my fair share of partying. I did things and perhaps took risks that I wouldn't do now (the world seemed a much safer place!) I made some mistakes for which I had to learn, but I also had a good time! I wouldn't change those years for the world. For me, regretting them just seems pointless.
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Finally, I think the bravado that people talk about God, heaven, hell and the devil, is just that bravado because they don't believe in it. Why do people believe that there will be no drugs or sex in heaven? Who told you this? As far as Muslims are aware, these things are prohibited on earth and it will be a different situation in heaven. For a Muslim hell will not be an all night rock party with sex and drugs, but a place of pain.
Perhaps you're taking navyguy a bit too seriously here. People who don't believe in hell do joke about it when zealous religious types tell them they're going there if they "don't repent and turn to Jesus right now!" Hey, I've told them before, they can keep Cliff Richards and Pat Robertson, I'd rather meet Hendrix and Morrison any da
