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Originally posted by hardwon:
Scottish, Irish and Welsh children seem to have a very good grounding in the history of their respective conty - I wonder why it is that English children are not as well educated/informed??

I know that I got my sense of "nationality" from my parents and grandparents - and my children were raised (as were most of their peer group) with an awareness of how we came to be where we are today. As far as I know the History Curriculum in schools does not differ very much throughout the British Isles, so it is hard to see why the disparity?

Another myth. The first Scottish government in 300 years has just decreed that Scottish history will be taught to Scottish children in schools for the first time.
Link from the Hootsmon paper.<<just in case you doubt me.

It has served the nation well to live in ignorance of the bloodletting, persecution, corruption and bribery which created the British Union against the wishes of the Scottish nation.

Saint George was a Greek soldier of the occupying Roman army, hardly a suitable candidate for a Patron saint of England.

Who cares where he is from? St Patrick was a Roman-Britain, would you consider him unsuitable?

Whats your point, the simple fact of the matter is that the reason so many people in Scotland now about their history is becuase people care, why do you think that welsh is still spoken; it certainly isn't because they have forgotten about their culture. The same goes for Ireland, IOM the odd one out are the English.

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Originally posted by steste:
Would you be happy if your children (the rocket scientists they must be if they are an intellectual chip of the old block) grew up not know what it is like to be English or wherever you come from.

FYI, IOM came under English control in the fifteenth century and is still a crown DEPENDANCY today. My children are graduates and they know that they are from the most conquered race on the planet even though one is exceedingly proud of his gaelic heritage. Fancy being a dependancy of the most conquered race on the planet? LOL!

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Originally posted by Zabbs:

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Originally posted by hardwon:
Scottish, Irish and Welsh children seem to have a very good grounding in the history of their respective conty - I wonder why it is that English children are not as well educated/informed??

I know that I got my sense of "nationality" from my parents and grandparents - and my children were raised (as were most of their peer group) with an awareness of how we came to be where we are today. As far as I know the History Curriculum in schools does not differ very much throughout the British Isles, so it is hard to see why the disparity?

Another myth. The first Scottish government in 300 years has just decreed that Scottish history will be taught to Scottish children in schools for the first time.
Link from the Hootsmon paper.<<just in case you doubt me.

It has served the nation well to live in ignorance of the bloodletting, persecution, corruption and bribery which created the British Union against the wishes of the Scottish nation.

Saint George was a Greek soldier of the occupying Roman army, hardly a suitable candidate for a Patron saint of England.

I don't doubt you for a moment Zabbs, I had heard that same thing and am heartened to hear it.

I was merely curious as to whether it is due to parents/grandparents etc, that Scots/Irish/Welsh youngsters seem to have a much more heightened sense of Nationality.

Perhaps it just never seemed important for English families to make sure their children knew their heritage? Either way, the English seem to be the only country bemoaning their lack of patriotic zeal.

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Originally posted by hardwon:

I don't doubt you for a moment Zabbs, I had heard that same thing and am heartened to hear it.

I was merely curious as to whether it is due to parents/grandparents etc, that Scots/Irish/Welsh youngsters seem to have a much more heightened sense of Nationality.

Perhaps it just never seemed important for English families to make sure their children knew their heritage? Either way, the English seem to be the only country bemoaning their lack of patriotic zeal.

If only we could bottle that thing which gives Scots a sense of Identity. Englishness is not the same as Scottishness (which seems to not even be proper a word). Perhaps the problem with English patriotism begins and ends in the fractured nature of the nation. If we highlighted all the counties which have a very strong individuality and sense of belonging like Yorkshire tykes and Lincoln yellowbellies, Geordies, lancastrians or Cornishmen. These are all proud peoples with their own identities just like the Scots or the Celtic Manxman which is an English crown DEPENDANCY however some may crave their national independence. Perhaps we should dispel the use of the English patriotism day and start the county identity day?

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If only we could bottle that thing which gives Scots a sense of Identity.

Being a blueish white colour with mottled arms and legs and dying of a heart-attack at 51?

I can't see this bottle selling, really.

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Originally posted by littleandoften:

Being a blueish white colour with mottled arms and legs and dying of a heart-attack at 51?

I can't see this bottle selling, really.

It has to be better than a bottle of Buckie!

Here is a tonic though.Glug glug Scottish health-plan for a change!

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Originally posted by steste:

Wrong your making things up to justify your argument. It is not an English crown dependency. Heavens its like teaching french to a parrot. IT is a crown possession therefore a BRITISH Crown dependancy. It is not part of the UK but is part of britain. I will say it again because it obviously takes you a while to grasp a concept the Isle of Man is not English. But hey either is england anymore. I think it is brilliant the cultural spectrum of people that make up England but I think it is fairly amusing that the only one not at the party is the host!

Yeah yeah yeah, I get the same woeful tale of independence from Cornwall to Durham and they are still English too. IoM is neither Independent, nor British nor part of the EU. It belongs to the English crown in much the same way as Jersey.

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Originally posted by Sea Gypsy:
What's your passport nationality?

What makes you think he has one?

This anti-English stuff stinks of the same stuff they castigate us all for.

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Originally posted by Humble_Horace:

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Originally posted by Sea Gypsy:
What's your passport nationality?

What makes you think he has one?

It's a requirement these days, more or less. I'm asked for one more and more often.

As I mentioned on a different thread, if anyone wants to see a proper English (Cornish) celebration, visit Padstow on May Day, or Helston (a week later) on Flora Day.

But don't tell everyone.

"Oh where is St. George, oh where is he oh?
He's out on the sea. All out on the bright sea
oh!" (Padstow 'Obby 'Oss song)

St. George also appears in Helston on Flora Day, where he slays the dragon as part of an ancient play.

So lets have no more of this St. Who?

bjm, three posts in a row? Who do you think you are - me? It's not the done thing around here and for goodness sake don't reply to your own posts.

How the heck was Saint George "Turkish" ? The Turks had not even arrived anywhere near the present day Turkey. I'll also point out that it has never been claimed that Saint George was English anyway, its merely symbolic as he was adopted as our patron saint at around the time England subdued the Welsh, who's national symbol is ofcourse the dragon.