Shocking news item yesterday about the death rate in Baghdad - about 6000 between Jan and May - over 1000 each month. Virtually a civil war down there. IMO this should be headline news every day - not just paid lip service to every now and then. I will never forgive Blair and Bush for misleading us into thinking Sadam had weapons of mass destruction. They have blood on their hands. First the sanctions and now this. American Foreign Policy has a lot to answer for.
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Originally posted by Have a Word: Shocking news item yesterday about the death rate in Baghdad - about 6000 between Jan and May - over 1000 each month. Virtually a civil war down there. IMO this should be headline news every day - not just paid lip service to every now and then. I will never forgive Blair and Bush for misleading us into thinking Sadam had weapons of mass destruction. They have blood on their hands. First the sanctions and now this. American Foreign Policy has a lot to answer for.
Is it the number that's shocking?
3400 people died on the roads in the UK last year.
Do you drive?
Blair would have been gravely remiss had he not entered Iraq on the basis of the so-called intelligence which showed a serious and credible threat. That the evidence was wrong is actually irrelevant here. Blair was doing his job: keeping the country safe.
It would be further remiss of the 'Allies' to now pull out, as we did in 1991 and leave a complete vacuum into which the warring tribes will spill. The devastation would make the current 1000 deaths a month (alledged) seem paltry.
Certainly, 1000 deaths is a thousand too many. But there are evils at work here (thanks, god) and we have to live with the lesser of them: stay until it's time to leave.
Originally posted by 600cc: Blair would have been gravely remiss had he not entered Iraq on the basis of the so-called intelligence which showed a serious and credible threat. That the evidence was wrong is actually irrelevant here. Blair was doing his job: keeping the country safe.
why did the other allies decide the intelligence wasnt credible. i know the french had business dealings but we can hardly blame them for it when that is the type of behavior we have displayed since post ww2.
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I it would be further remiss of the 'Allies' to now pull out, as we did in 1991 and leave a complete vacuum into which the warring tribes will spill. The devastation would make the current 1000 deaths a month (alledged) seem paltry.
i completely agree, but our soldiers are just sitting ducks for the iraqi militants. what do we do, send more? it will take 10 to 20 years to create a democracy if at all, in that time the U.S heavy handed aggression will only increase the voilence against allied soldiers.
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Certainly, 1000 deaths is a thousand too many. But there are evils at work here (thanks, god) and we have to live with the lesser of them: stay until it's time to leave.
Originally posted by 600cc: Blair would have been gravely remiss had he not entered Iraq on the basis of the so-called intelligence which showed a serious and credible threat. That the evidence was wrong is actually irrelevant here. Blair was doing his job: keeping the country safe.
why did the other allies decide the intelligence wasnt credible. i know the french had business dealings but we can hardly blame them for it when that is the type of behavior we have displayed since post ww2.
Let's ignore the French; after all, they're barely human. Instead, look at the world's other rational countries. For example Australia. Italy, even, before the inane Prodi took orifice. Various European countries. New Zealand. Canada (in a supporting role). Kuwait (facilities). Saudi Arabia (facilities).
You get the picture.
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I it would be further remiss of the 'Allies' to now pull out, as we did in 1991 and leave a complete vacuum into which the warring tribes will spill. The devastation would make the current 1000 deaths a month (alledged) seem paltry.
i completely agree, but our soldiers are just sitting ducks for the iraqi militants. what do we do, send more? it will take 10 to 20 years to create a democracy if at all, in that time the U.S heavy handed aggression will only increase the voilence against allied soldiers.
Ohmigod. itj agrees with 600cc. Quick. Write it down. We may be able to save this one still.
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Certainly, 1000 deaths is a thousand too many. But there are evils at work here (thanks, god) and we have to live with the lesser of them: stay until it's time to leave.
also can we afford it?
What, with the tax the gummint takes from my pay packet? Er, yes, quite easily.
Originally posted by 600cc: Let's ignore the French; after all, they're barely human.
You really r a complete tw8t
600cc has a point. The French have been the single biggest dealers of arms to Iraq, including most of the chemicals used to gas the Kurds, and the nukes that the Israelis had to remove by force lest Saddam get the bomb. This, of course, is why they objected to anything that disrupted their lucrative trade in death to the regime of a tyrant.
Shocking news item yesterday about the death rate in Baghdad
However, good news today: one more death, this time a welcome one, of Zarqawi. Who will join me in celebrating the demise of one of the most evil men on the planet as a key step towards the liberation of Iraq and indeed the world from Islamic fundamentalism?
Shocking news item yesterday about the death rate in Baghdad
However, good news today: one more death, this time a welcome one, of Zarqawi. Who will join me in celebrating the demise of one of the most evil men on the planet as a key step towards the liberation of Iraq and indeed the world from Islamic fundamentalism?
Who will join me in celebrating the demise of one of the most evil men on the planet as a key step towards the liberation of Iraq and indeed the world from Islamic fundamentalism?
*raises mug of coffee and clinks*
However, the liberation of Iraq and the world from all types of religious fundamentalism, I fear, is going to take some time as well as many innocent (and not so innocent) lives
Quite frankly, I feel a withdrawal (or retreat to those big bases by the coast) due to political pressures, will occur sooner rather than later, but, at the very least, I'm glad people are talking of the evil infidels of the US & UK's attempts to return basic human rights to the citzens of Iraq, rather than the usual "it's all about the Oil of Olay" drivel, .
*continues drinking coffee in an area of the world where he has the freedom to do so*
Originally posted by InAbsentia: 600cc has a point. The French have been the single biggest dealers of arms to Iraq, including most of the chemicals used to gas the Kurds, and the nukes that the Israelis had to remove by force lest Saddam get the bomb. This, of course, is why they objected to anything that disrupted their lucrative trade in death to the regime of a tyrant.
firstly that was my point. But surely you cannot critisise the french for this. they were only acting in thier peoples interests. im applying your logic here.
Shocking news item yesterday about the death rate in Baghdad
However, good news today: one more death, this time a welcome one, of Zarqawi. Who will join me in celebrating the demise of one of the most evil men on the planet as a key step towards the liberation of Iraq and indeed the world from Islamic fundamentalism?
i think relief would be more apt than celebration. no death should be celebrated. Th eyanks just love attending lethal injection of criminals of death row and even clap and cheer when they die. This is an eye for an eye attitude and is awful.
Shocking news item yesterday about the death rate in Baghdad
However, good news today: one more death, this time a welcome one, of Zarqawi. Who will join me in celebrating the demise of one of the most evil men on the planet as a key step towards the liberation of Iraq and indeed the world from Islamic fundamentalism?
i think relief would be more apt than celebration. no death should be celebrated. Th eyanks just love attending lethal injection of criminals of death row and even clap and cheer when they die. This is an eye for an eye attitude and is awful.
The US death penalty has been a continual source of anger for me. This loses us - the West - the moral high ground every time - especially when it's used to kill ethnic minorities, the mentally ill and juveniles.
Thankfully it looks like they're finally realising the bone-headedly obvious: it just doesn't work. Some states are on the point of repealing the use of the death penalty. Hopefully more will follow.
Meanwhile, I agree that "celebration" isn't such a good word. But I did get that spark of emotion you get when justice is rightly served.
firstly that was my point. But surely you cannot critisise the french for this. they were only acting in thier peoples interests. im applying your logic here.
The French broke international trade sanctions which they agreed to in pursuing this trade. So yes, I can criticise. Also, being anti arms-trade and anti-nuclear power, I can have a right go at them on that basis too.
Plus they smell of garlic and the women have hairy legs and armpits.
Originally posted by InAbsentia: The French broke international trade sanctions which they agreed to in pursuing this trade. So yes, I can criticise. Also, being anti arms-trade and anti-nuclear power, I can have a right go at them on that basis too.
Plus they smell of garlic and the women have hairy legs and armpits.
god we agree so much and its great its acceptable to be horrible to the french. i think im going to invite you to my wedding.
Originally posted by InAbsentia: 600cc has a point. The French have been the single biggest dealers of arms to Iraq, including most of the chemicals used to gas the Kurds, and the nukes that the Israelis had to remove by force lest Saddam get the bomb. This, of course, is why they objected to anything that disrupted their lucrative trade in death to the regime of a tyrant.
firstly that was my point. But surely you cannot critisise the french for this. they were only acting in thier peoples interests. im applying your logic here.
Of course, from the French perspective, why would one criticise them? However, I'm not, so therefore I shall.
Besides which, there are interests, selfish interests and really, really selfish interests. The latter is the French attitude, IMO, which is what I'm reacting to.
Originally posted by InAbsentia: The US death penalty
Some states are on the point of repealing the use of the death penalty. Hopefully more will follow.
Is it coincidence that the states most likely to use and enforce the death penalty are also the most religious dominated? And I can almost predict which states will be the last bastions of this outmoded and disproven deterrant to crime.
Is it coincidence that the states most likely to use and enforce the death penalty are also the most religious dominated? And I can almost predict which states will be the last bastions of this outmoded and disproven deterrant to crime.
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