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Angelus the Vampire
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Ian Brady and Myra Hindley did not snatch family members.

The Wests killed more non family members than family.

Jason Swift was not killed by a family member.

All those predatory paedos listed by the Sun not too long ago, did not abduct family members.

The pervert who kidnapped the little girl from out of her bath was not a family member.

The little girl whose name has been given to "Sarah`s Law" was not abducted and killed by a family member.

Jonathan King, while not actually abducting anybody, abused boys who were not family members.

So while your claim that 4 out of 5 children are molested by family members, forgive me while caring parents try and protect their kids from the other 20%.


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miz'd
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i doubt anyone would NOT want to protect their children from predatory paedophiles and murders.....

i guess the question is more about how you do that, and whether you retain a realistic perspective on likelihood.

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pigletmania
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em angelus, YOu can play tennis anywhere, i used to play with my dad in our small driveway. I am sure that if a parent made and effort to enquire about local facilities, there would be quite a few that would not cost the earth. I am just using tennis as an example, i used to go to a local kickboxing group which had children and adults in and used to only cost about £3 per week. The solution is not to keep children locked up. Why play wii sports when you can do the real thing yourself in a park. YOu dont need a football pitch to play football, like you dont need a tennis court to play tennis, improvise.

That is what childhood is about, learning! How can they do this if they are not given the chance!
 
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petemon
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Originally posted by A Stevenson:
Watched Cotton Wool Kids last night. Would have liked a bit more of an interview with the parents to get a feel as to why they were so protective of their children. What sort of parenting where they shown when they were younger? Did they have bad experiences?
Also, it would have been really good to see more of the EFT workshop. I was really excited when I saw tapping as I never seen it featured on tv before. But we only got a fleeting glance of children and adults tapping. I have been a client of EFT and it really is powerful stuff. I would have like to see/hear feedback from the families at the workshop. Does anyone know who was the practitioner?
 
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petemon
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Sorry,posted too early there. I was replying to the previous post. There are related links attached to the programme on the list where you find the forum to find practitioners. I also know tapping and it is great. I dealt with PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) two years ago. I had all sorts of counselling and therapy before it and there were all unsuccesfull.My wife has also dealt with a big fear of heights. Great to see the techniques can be used simply with children.
It is hard to get the balance right with how much to protect our children. Surely we are not supposed to believe that most parents behave as obsessively as we were shown.
 
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A Stevenson
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Thanks Petemon,

YEs I checked it out and for anyone else interested - the EFT therapist shown in the programme was Christine Morgan. She is located in Buckinghamshire.
 
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JohnM2008
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Originally posted by Angelus the Vampire:
Ian Brady and Myra Hindley did not snatch family members.

The Wests killed more non family members than family.

Jason Swift was not killed by a family member.

All those predatory paedos listed by the Sun not too long ago, did not abduct family members.

The pervert who kidnapped the little girl from out of her bath was not a family member.

The little girl whose name has been given to "Sarah`s Law" was not abducted and killed by a family member.

Jonathan King, while not actually abducting anybody, abused boys who were not family members.

So while your claim that 4 out of 5 children are molested by family members, forgive me while caring parents try and protect their kids from the other 20%.



I find it very sad how so many people seem to close their eyes or just dont care about the other 80%
 
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CDarwin
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Originally posted by Angelus the Vampire:
Ian Brady and Myra Hindley did not snatch family members.

The Wests killed more non family members than family.

Jason Swift was not killed by a family member.

All those predatory paedos listed by the Sun not too long ago, did not abduct family members.

The pervert who kidnapped the little girl from out of her bath was not a family member.

The little girl whose name has been given to "Sarah`s Law" was not abducted and killed by a family member.

Jonathan King, while not actually abducting anybody, abused boys who were not family members.

So while your claim that 4 out of 5 children are molested by family members, forgive me while caring parents try and protect their kids from the other 20%.


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If you really were a caring parent you would know that friends and family are the most likely abusers...so don't leave them alone with them! also don't let ever get in a car...very dangerous.
 
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fantasy and comedy are all my joy
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It's the media, broadcasting everything bad that happens to kids these days. What with the abduction of maddie and sharon matthews (who was recently found) parents are bound to believe perverts and strangers are gonna be lurking around the school grounds, huh.
So they rather them stay at home, on myspace or something, and get fat. Lol.
 
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sophina
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bloody weirdos putting tracking devices IN there kids Red Face
 
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free_thinker
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Originally posted by Angelus the Vampire:
Ian Brady and Myra Hindley did not snatch family members.

The Wests killed more non family members than family.

Jason Swift was not killed by a family member.

All those predatory paedos listed by the Sun not too long ago, did not abduct family members.

The pervert who kidnapped the little girl from out of her bath was not a family member.

The little girl whose name has been given to "Sarah`s Law" was not abducted and killed by a family member.

Jonathan King, while not actually abducting anybody, abused boys who were not family members.

So while your claim that 4 out of 5 children are molested by family members, forgive me while caring parents try and protect their kids from the other 20%.

The greatest risk children face to their wellbeing is the secondhand smoke of their parents.
The second greatest risk is traffic, particularly being injured or killed in a car driven by their parents.
Next is injury by a family member or family friend.
Way down at the bottom is danger from strangers.
The figures I have read are that a child is 10 times more likely to be harmed (injured/abducted/abused) by a family member than a stranger.

Of the dangers listed above guess what makes it into the headlines?

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So while your claim that 4 out of 5 children are molested by family members, forgive me while caring parents try and protect their kids from the other 20%.

This might just be carelessly written but the above makes no actual sense.
Either that or it shows a woeful misunderstanding of statistics and just plain logic.
The claim was not that 80% of children are abused by family members, but 80% of abuse is by family members.
If you cannot see the difference then you have no business contributing to this discussion.
Parents would not protect their children from "the other 20%", as "the other 20%" are children abused by strangers.
They could perhaps protect them to prevent becoming part of "the other 20%".

Maybe minor points but such debates become hysterical or such mis-understanding.
You only have to recall the attacks against the premises of a Pediatrician by a "pervs out" mob to see what result can from misinformation.


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The TV Show
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Whatever your thoughts on Cotton Wool Kids and the issues raised in other Cutting Edge films in this series, we hope you’ll find this interesting, as the commissioning editor reflects on what makes a successful documentary, the films we’ve seen and those that are coming up.
Give him your opinion on the series – the best and worst, and what’s missing, he’ll appreciate your feedback as he looks ahead to the next season in the autumn.
 
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pixielee
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There seems to be an awful lot of "blame" being aimed towards the parents in this thread.

Yet no-one has mentioned the fact that schools have cut way back on PE, and that school sports days have all but been eliminated from the curriculum. Sports days are now a thing of the past because someone-somewhere decreed that children cannot cope with losing a race, and so decided that as no child should feel upset at not coming first, they weren`t going to have the competition in the first place. Roll Eyes

Kids have picked up on this, it gives them the message that it`s go good even trying in the first place.

This means that kids are not being given the chance to fail, and so are unable to deal with failure.

As to saying that the parents should take the children to play real tennis instead of Wii tennis... I dunno about where you live, but tennis clubs round here cost a fortune to join. The local council tennis courts have no nets, so they`re not much good.
 
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by pixielee:


Yet no-one has mentioned the fact that schools have cut way back on PE, and that school sports days have all but been eliminated from the curriculum. Sports days are now a thing of the past because someone-somewhere decreed that children cannot cope with losing a race, and so decided that as no child should feel upset at not coming first, they weren`t going to have the competition in the first place.

Most primary schools actually, luckily, have coordinators who are passionate about the need to experience physical activity in its real form which includes losing and winning in equal measures. Rest assured also, PE has now been increased- by the government- from the standard 2 hrs to a required 3 hrs per week. At our school it is every day in one form or another. We love it!
 
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