Originally posted by livingitlarge: why do some of us say britian is multicultural why isn't britian multiracial?
lord lesters multiculturalism he now admits is a failed experiment.
with the loss of empire it was considered the monarchy could retain its glory by ruling over a mini world of nations in the uk. so its not for your benefit. which why we now spend billions a year on internal security.
Maybe in it's most idealistic mode, this term was designed to allow people not to be tied down simply by the colour of their skin.
In the 1970s a white working class person, who worked in the factories and loved football, wouldn't necessarily think he had the same culture as a southern white toff, who did the Ascot/Boat race type circuit.
It meant that Asian weren't simply Asian but could be Hindus or Muslims, Indian or Pakistani, be from an industrial Northern city or from a southern rural area.
Unfortunately the term MC now makes me shudder - I have no idea why the left wing like teaming up with extremist Muslims. Why can the rights of gay people rely on which community is involved? They should have absolute rights but the urge of some radicals to stone such people is never criticised by the leftwing suckers up and they never promote women's rights amongst such groups in the same way that they would do for a white audience. I'm not impressed by relative values - it's OK or not OK (say stoning people) depending on where you want to do it.
Originally posted by Lurker: Maybe in it's most idealistic mode, this term was designed to allow people not to be tied down simply by the colour of their skin.
In the 1970s a white working class person, who worked in the factories and loved football, wouldn't necessarily think he had the same culture as a southern white toff, who did the Ascot/Boat race type circuit.
It meant that Asian weren't simply Asian but could be Hindus or Muslims, Indian or Pakistani, be from an industrial Northern city or from a southern rural area.
Unfortunately the term MC now makes me shudder - I have no idea why the left wing like teaming up with extremist Muslims. Why can the rights of gay people rely on which community is involved? They should have absolute rights but the urge of some radicals to stone such people is never criticised by the leftwing suckers up and they never promote women's rights amongst such groups in the same way that they would do for a white audience. I'm not impressed by relative values - it's OK or not OK (say stoning people) depending on where you want to do it.
The odious axis of the loony left and islamism is easily explained.
The self righteous, self hating left have found an ally that hates everything about the west almost as much as they do.
Because the aim of multi-culturalism is that different cultures are encouraged to co-exist and respect each other's cultural differences. People of a minority culture are not asked or pressured into assimilating to the pre-existing and/or majority culture.
You can't ask people to assimilate their race or skin colour, as it's impossible.
Originally posted by Krakow: Because multiculturalism is designed to facilitate submission to islam and islam is not a race.
No no its not that at all - it's the opposite. It is designed so that we do not submit to one religion or culture... but rather celebrate our diversity. What's wrong with that?
Originally posted by ugetmi: Because the aim of multi-culturalism is that different cultures are encouraged to co-exist and respect each other's cultural differences. People of a minority culture are not asked or pressured into assimilating to the pre-existing and/or majority culture.
You can't ask people to assimilate their race or skin colour, as it's impossible.
That's the theory anyway!
There is no majority or minority culture. We all have many different ideas, interests, leisure pursuits, spiritual beliefs etc etc... The point is, that just because we are different , it does not mean we can not live together in peace. The world would be pretty boring if we were all the same.
Originally posted by Krakow: Because multiculturalism is designed to facilitate submission to islam and islam is not a race.
No no its not that at all - it's the opposite. It is designed so that we do not submit to one religion or culture... but rather celebrate our diversity. What's wrong with that?
It is wrong because it denigrates the native culture and elevates the superstitions and mores of alien cultures.
Originally posted by Krakow: Because multiculturalism is designed to facilitate submission to islam and islam is not a race.
No no its not that at all - it's the opposite. It is designed so that we do not submit to one religion or culture... but rather celebrate our diversity. What's wrong with that?
Because it is nonsense and has been shown not to work
Not all cultures are equal, in fact British culture is far superior to other new recent cultures and therefore our cultural values and norms should supersede all the others when in conflict.
Originally posted by ugetmi: Because the aim of multi-culturalism is that different cultures are encouraged to co-exist and respect each other's cultural differences. People of a minority culture are not asked or pressured into assimilating to the pre-existing and/or majority culture.
You can't ask people to assimilate their race or skin colour, as it's impossible.
That's the theory anyway!
There is no majority or minority culture. We all have many different ideas, interests, leisure pursuits, spiritual beliefs etc etc... The point is, that just because we are different , it does not mean we can not live together in peace. The world would be pretty boring if we were all the same.
Of course there is. We all on a personal level have different ideas and everyone's unique but generally among many people there will be a broad agreement of opinion, lifestyle and faith.
For instance, let's take Christmas and the sabbath. The majority culture celebrate Xmas and have their sabbath on a Sunday. Those are examples of a majority cultural thing.
Originally posted by ugetmi: Because the aim of multi-culturalism is that different cultures are encouraged to co-exist and respect each other's cultural differences. People of a minority culture are not asked or pressured into assimilating to the pre-existing and/or majority culture.
You can't ask people to assimilate their race or skin colour, as it's impossible.
That's the theory anyway!
There is no majority or minority culture. We all have many different ideas, interests, leisure pursuits, spiritual beliefs etc etc... The point is, that just because we are different , it does not mean we can not live together in peace. The world would be pretty boring if we were all the same.
Of course there is a majority culture, unfortunately the people who talk of culture don't really understand what it is or the breath of activities which is defined as culture, which is ---the customs, civilisation achievements of a particular people.
So culture isn't just food, music, and fashion as its usually described, but Law, Justice system, Governance, and society. As such the 'working man and toff' as someone put it, would have both had a strong cultural connection under the law they operated and system of Government which ruled them.
In addition its the majority indigenous culture of Law, Justice and Governance that makes everything work here, the Chicken tikka masala is a purely incidental and irrelevant addition, and if there was a competition about it I would happily put Habeas Corpus as one of our most important cultural achievements against any recent irrelevant import.
Originally posted by ugetmi: Because the aim of multi-culturalism is that different cultures are encouraged to co-exist and respect each other's cultural differences. People of a minority culture are not asked or pressured into assimilating to the pre-existing and/or majority culture.
You can't ask people to assimilate their race or skin colour, as it's impossible.
That's the theory anyway!
There is no majority or minority culture. We all have many different ideas, interests, leisure pursuits, spiritual beliefs etc etc... The point is, that just because we are different , it does not mean we can not live together in peace. The world would be pretty boring if we were all the same.
Of course there is a majority culture, unfortunately the people who talk of culture don't really understand what it is or the breath of activities which is defined as culture, which is ---the customs, civilisation achievements of a particular people.
So culture isn't just food, music, and fashion as its usually described, but Law, Justice system, Governance, and society. As such the 'working man and toff' as someone put it, would have both had a strong cultural connection under the law they operated and system of Government which ruled them.
In addition its the majority indigenous culture of Law, Justice and Governance that makes everything work here, the Chicken tikka masala is a purely incidental and irrelevant addition, and if there was a competition about it I would happily put Habeas Corpus as one of our most important cultural achievements against any recent irrelevant import.
Good post. But doesn't law and governance constantly shift? Likewise culture.
