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quote: Originally posted by pwg: quote: Originally posted by Nick14: but rather celebrate our diversity.
how?
Maybe "celebrate" was the wrong word. "Accept", may be more apt. Accept that we all enjoy different things, we are all different shapes, sizes, and colours, with varied sexuality. But none of those differences mean we can't live together in peace. |
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quote: But none of those differences mean we can't live together in peace.
[wave hands in air] i'd like to buy the world a home and furnish it with love, with apple trees and honey bees and snow white turtle doves. I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony  |
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That Britain is multi-racial is a straightforward fact. There's not really much to discuss -- it's just the way things are -- which I guess is why the term doesn't crop up all that much.
Multi-culturalism on the other hand is a big issue: should people be encouraged to pursue a common cultural identity or should they be encouraged to follow their own different cultures? I think the answer is a mixture of the two, and Britain has probably been guilty of neglecting the former. While it is good to celebrate diversity, I think there needs to be a sense of national identity to act as a hub holding society together.
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But 91% of the population are still part of the same race. Should britain be more or less multi-racial?
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quote: Originally posted by Krakow:
The odious axis of the loony left and islamism is easily explained.
The self righteous, self hating left have found an ally that hates everything about the west almost as much as they do.
It does seem to be a wonderful strange marriage of the two. Mind you, just wait until the wife beating starts!  |
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quote: Originally posted by concertpianist: quote: But none of those differences mean we can't live together in peace.
[wave hands in air] i'd like to buy the world a home and furnish it with love, with apple trees and honey bees and snow white turtle doves. I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony
Well it's not that simple I'm afraid. But are you capable of living alongside someone who is gay, or straight, or black, or white, or Muslim, or Jew??? If you can do it - why is it beyond the realms of possibility for the rest of us? |
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quote: Originally posted by Thunderrun: quote: Originally posted by Krakow:
The odious axis of the loony left and islamism is easily explained.
The self righteous, self hating left have found an ally that hates everything about the west almost as much as they do.
It does seem to be a wonderful strange marriage of the two. Mind you, just wait until the wife beating starts!
Is the example of Respect/SWP really indicative of anything? |
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quote: Originally posted by Thunderrun: quote: Originally posted by Krakow:
The odious axis of the loony left and islamism is easily explained.
The self righteous, self hating left have found an ally that hates everything about the west almost as much as they do.
It does seem to be a wonderful strange marriage of the two. Mind you, just wait until the wife beating starts!
Yep, they won't be so smug when reality mugs them and they realise that Islam might not just be a 'religion of peace' after all. |
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quote: Originally posted by James T:
That Britain is multi-racial is a straightforward fact. There's not really much to discuss -- it's just the way things are -- which I guess is why the term doesn't crop up all that much.
Multi-culturalism on the other hand is a big issue: should people be encouraged to pursue a common cultural identity or should they be encouraged to follow their own different cultures? I think the answer is a mixture of the two, and Britain has probably been guilty of neglecting the former. While it is good to celebrate diversity, I think there needs to be a sense of national identity to act as a hub holding society together.
But the idea of "nation" means nothing to me. I don't mean that as a glib throw away slogan, I mean it really seriously. The idea of the nation state just seems like another artificial division. I like our countryside, and cities - but I hate our government. |
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quote: Yep, they won't be so smug when reality mugs them and they realise that Islam might not just be a 'religion of peace' after all.
Can you prove to me that there is a higher incidence of wife beating amongst Muslims? I work in the NHS and most beaten women I have come across are white. I am of course open to be contradicted by hard evidence. |
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quote: Originally posted by Nick14: quote: Yep, they won't be so smug when reality mugs them and they realise that Islam might not just be a 'religion of peace' after all.
Can you prove to me that there is a higher incidence of wife beating amongst Muslims? I work in the NHS and most beaten women I have come across are white. I am of course open to be contradicted by hard evidence.
Are you familiar with analogies? Thunderrun used one to suggest that the loony lefts bed fellows at the moment will turn out to be their worst nighmare in the future. |
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quote: Can a capitalist country also be christian? What about the Sermon On The Mount?
Available at most good bookshops just £4.99
What's your problem?
I don't have a problem. I wonder if a capitalist country can really be described as "Christian". Capitalism seems to fly in the face of the teachings of Christ, reportedly. |
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Why are people suprised that governments Multiculturalism policy is a failure - it was always doomed.
There are hundreds of documents on government sites about MC - google site:.gov uk - you will find things like:
6. Promoting diversity 25
What governments should do 25
Encouraging a positive public climate 25
Promoting diversity in government functions 28
Promoting good practice 31
Promoting diversity in education 34
Monitoring and evaluating diversity 36
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quote: Are you familiar with analogies?
Thunderrun used one to suggest that the loony lefts bed fellows at the moment will turn out to be their worst nighmare in the future. Wink
Ah yes. Maybe I should re-read before posting! Sorry. |
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quote: Originally posted by Nick14: quote: Are you familiar with analogies?
Thunderrun used one to suggest that the loony lefts bed fellows at the moment will turn out to be their worst nighmare in the future. Wink
Ah yes. Maybe I should re-read before posting! Sorry.
No problem Nick. |
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quote: Originally posted by MadWorld:
Why are people suprised that governments Multiculturalism policy is a failure - it was always doomed.
There are hundreds of documents on government sites about MC - google site:.gov uk - you will find things like:
6. Promoting diversity 25
What governments should do 25
Encouraging a positive public climate 25
Promoting diversity in government functions 28
Promoting good practice 31
Promoting diversity in education 34
Monitoring and evaluating diversity 36
Can you explain why you think those things are doomed to fail? Actually I should add that I don't trust the government to legislate for a multi cultural society. I think we are capable of living it for ourselves. Do you want discrimination against other people, just because they are not like you, or are you capable of living peacefully with fellow humans? |
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quote: Originally posted by Nick14: quote: Originally posted by Krakow:
Because multiculturalism is designed to facilitate submission to islam and islam is not a race.
No no its not that at all - it's the opposite. It is designed so that we do not submit to one religion or culture... but rather celebrate our diversity. What's wrong with that?
If that is the stated aim then it has failed badly. |
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quote: Originally posted by Nick14:
Can you explain why you think those things are doomed to fail?
I'll have a go if you don't mind, it promotes separatism. By focusing on things constantly that promote and highlight our differences we neglect to promote what we have in common. What do we all have in common? -> We are British, how about we promote that.  |
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quote: If that is the stated aim then it has failed badly.
I guess a lot of things that the government meddle in fail to some degree. But what is wrong with accepting that we are all different, and living together regardless? I bet you do it all the time? There's not many people who don't (or won't) get along with someone else just because they are gay, or straight, or Muslim, or Jew, or black, or white. I think tolerance is part of human nature. Kids, for example, are not born racist... it is something that some of them learn. |
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quote: Originally posted by Nick14: quote: Originally posted by MadWorld:
Why are people suprised that governments Multiculturalism policy is a failure - it was always doomed.
There are hundreds of documents on government sites about MC - google site:.gov uk - you will find things like:
6. Promoting diversity 25
What governments should do 25
Encouraging a positive public climate 25
Promoting diversity in government functions 28
Promoting good practice 31
Promoting diversity in education 34
Monitoring and evaluating diversity 36
Can you explain why you think those things are doomed to fail? Actually I should add that I don't trust the government to legislate for a multi cultural society. I think we are capable of living it for ourselves. Do you want discrimination against other people, just because they are not like you, or are you capable of living peacefully with fellow humans?
I resent slur that I want discrimination - so you know where to look for an answer. |
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quote: What do we all have in common? -> We are British, how about we promote that.
Because it is meaningless. Britain is just a piece of rock surrounded by the sea. |
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quote: I resent slur that I want discrimination - so you know where to look for an answer.
That wasn't a slur - it was a question. |
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quote: Originally posted by Nick14: quote: If that is the stated aim then it has failed badly.
I guess a lot of things that the government meddle in fail to some degree. But what is wrong with accepting that we are all different, and living together regardless? I bet you do it all the time? There's not many people who don't (or won't) get along with someone else just because they are gay, or straight, or Muslim, or Jew, or black, or white. I think tolerance is part of human nature. Kids, for example, are not born racist... it is something that some of them learn.
I can agree with all you said there. I could then take a guess that you are a southerner. Pick any northern milltown and show me anywhere the whole idea of MC has worked in any way at all. |
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quote: Originally posted by Nick14:
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