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Originally posted by thenegus:
Do you even know what tribalism is? What you are advocating tribalism i.e. everyone promotes the supremacy of their tribe.

You have just described multiculturism.



And Flanker along with many others on here are not advocating it.

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Originally posted by Geeza..:

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Originally posted by thenegus:
Do you even know what tribalism is? What you are advocating tribalism i.e. everyone promotes the supremacy of their tribe.

You have just described multiculturism.



And Flanker along with many others on here are not advocating it.

Actually I haven't. As I understand it MC means that no one "tribe" has its religion and cultural practices promoted by the state. You position is that the cultural mores of a particular "tribe" to be promoted by the state.

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Originally posted by thenegus:

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Originally posted by Geeza..:

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Originally posted by thenegus:
Do you even know what tribalism is? What you are advocating tribalism i.e. everyone promotes the supremacy of their tribe.

You have just described multiculturism.



And Flanker along with many others on here are not advocating it.

Actually I haven't. As I understand it MC means that no one "tribe" has its religion and cultural practices promoted by the state. You position is that the cultural mores of a particular "tribe" to be promoted by the state.

The reality of MC is what you have described, everyone promotes the supremacy of their tribe, and is unworkable.
Yes of course the state should promote the cultural mores of the indiginous tribe because they are superior to the cultural mores of the recently arrived tribes.

Surely these other tribes found something attractive about the cultural mores of the indiginous tribe for them to come in the first place.

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Originally posted by thenegus:

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Originally posted by Geeza..:

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Originally posted by thenegus:
Do you even know what tribalism is? What you are advocating tribalism i.e. everyone promotes the supremacy of their tribe.

You have just described multiculturism.



And Flanker along with many others on here are not advocating it.

Actually I haven't. As I understand it MC means that no one "tribe" has its religion and cultural practices promoted by the state. You position is that the cultural mores of a particular "tribe" to be promoted by the state.

"Tribalism" is what government policy on Multiculturalism is - promoting the difference between seperate 'tribes'.

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Originally posted by MadWorld:

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Originally posted by thenegus:

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Originally posted by Geeza..:

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Originally posted by thenegus:
Do you even know what tribalism is? What you are advocating tribalism i.e. everyone promotes the supremacy of their tribe.

You have just described multiculturism.



And Flanker along with many others on here are not advocating it.

Actually I haven't. As I understand it MC means that no one "tribe" has its religion and cultural practices promoted by the state. You position is that the cultural mores of a particular "tribe" to be promoted by the state.

"Tribalism" is what government policy on Multiculturalism is - promoting the difference between seperate 'tribes'.

Nope it's saying that the state/government will not promote the cultural mores of just one "tribe". You of course feel that the cultural mores of your tribe are superior and should be promoted by the state .

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Originally posted by Geeza..:

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Originally posted by thenegus:

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Originally posted by Geeza..:

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Originally posted by thenegus:
Do you even know what tribalism is? What you are advocating tribalism i.e. everyone promotes the supremacy of their tribe.

You have just described multiculturism.



And Flanker along with many others on here are not advocating it.

Actually I haven't. As I understand it MC means that no one "tribe" has its religion and cultural practices promoted by the state. You position is that the cultural mores of a particular "tribe" to be promoted by the state.

The reality of MC is what you have described, everyone promotes the supremacy of their tribe, and is unworkable.

Why is it unworkable? You're going to tell someone whose background is Indian that his cuisine is naturally inferior and he should be making and eating shepherds pie? You're going to tell a Sikh that his turban is not an acceptabel item of clothing?

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Yes of course the state should promote the cultural mores of the indiginous tribe because they are superior to the cultural mores of the recently arrived tribes.

What indigenous "tribe" is that? Should we all be wearing kilts and sporrans and eating haggis? Or perhaps you think shepherds pie is more "natural"? Do you think people who speak welsh should be punished in school as used to happen?

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Surely these other tribes found something attractive about the cultural mores of the indiginous tribe for them to come in the first place.

They may like and admire the freer political system and economic opportunities but what does this have to do with cultural mores as in what you eat, wear and speak while at home?

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Originally posted by thenegus:

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Originally posted by Flanker:
The fact is countries formed the way they did was because people of a similar culture and values came together for collective security.

Its the disastrous actions by the intelligencia who have sought to rewrite social history and create their idealised multicultural society, which might just fulfil their politically correct ideology, but for those condemned to live in it it is a frightening, lonely, insecure existence, where once life was easy and values and norms understood, now life is dominated by having to walk around on egg shells lest one 'offend' one cultural group or other.

Sorry but that's just nonsense. Most countries formed because someone with a good army conquered someone with a worse army. Simple as that.

Actually, I think you're both saying much the same thing! Perhaps not countries, but societies are formed in the natural way that Flanker describes only for that process to be ignored in the formation of countries, where military and political pressure tend to place the divides in very artificial places.

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Originally posted by thenegus:

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Originally posted by Geeza..:

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Originally posted by thenegus:

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Originally posted by Geeza..:

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Originally posted by thenegus:
Do you even know what tribalism is? What you are advocating tribalism i.e. everyone promotes the supremacy of their tribe.

You have just described multiculturism.



And Flanker along with many others on here are not advocating it.

Actually I haven't. As I understand it MC means that no one "tribe" has its religion and cultural practices promoted by the state. You position is that the cultural mores of a particular "tribe" to be promoted by the state.

The reality of MC is what you have described, everyone promotes the supremacy of their tribe, and is unworkable.

Why is it unworkable? You're going to tell someone whose background is Indian that his cuisine is naturally inferior and he should be making and eating shepherds pie? You're going to tell a Sikh that his turban is not an acceptabel item of clothing?

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Yes of course the state should promote the cultural mores of the indiginous tribe because they are superior to the cultural mores of the recently arrived tribes.

What indigenous "tribe" is that? Should we all be wearing kilts and sporrans and eating haggis? Or perhaps you think shepherds pie is more "natural"? Do you think people who speak welsh should be punished in school as used to happen?

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Surely these other tribes found something attractive about the cultural mores of the indiginous tribe for them to come in the first place.

They may like and admire the freer political system and economic opportunities but what does this have to do with cultural mores as in what you eat, wear and speak while at home?

Ah you concetrate on the superficial aspects of a culture such as the food or clothing of a particular tribe.

The superiority of the British culture such as our values, separation of church and state, freedom to express an opinion and vote are a few of the reasons other tribes have come here, they must have recognised a superior system.

The reason why MC is unworkable is simple, we have a competing ideology from one particular tribe thats goal it is to replace British values with their inferior system including sharia law.

The proponents of multiculturism never foresaw that in the future this would be the reality and even they now realise the mistake and failure of promoting multiculturism.

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The reason why MC is unworkable is simple, we have a competing ideology from one particular tribe thats goal it is to replace British values with their inferior system including sharia law.

Much as I'd like to agree with that analysis, it's flawed, MC isn't about that, true it's unworkable, because now it's a mainly white middle class liberal concept designed for non whites without consultation.

You want your 4x4 repairing you ain't going to ask a gynaecologist to do it.

The majority of non whites didn't want MC either, they just want equal rights and equal treatment, not preferential treatment.

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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The reason why MC is unworkable is simple, we have a competing ideology from one particular tribe thats goal it is to replace British values with their inferior system including sharia law.

Much as I'd like to agree with that analysis, it's flawed, MC isn't about that, true it's unworkable, because now it's a mainly white middle class liberal concept designed for non whites without consultation.

You want your 4x4 repairing you ain't going to ask a gynaecologist to do it.

The majority of non whites didn't want MC either, they just want equal rights and equal treatment, not preferential treatment.

How is it flawed?

One ideology that has been promoted by MC does indeed have its goal as replacing British values with its own.

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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The reason why MC is unworkable is simple, we have a competing ideology from one particular tribe thats goal it is to replace British values with their inferior system including sharia law.

Much as I'd like to agree with that analysis, it's flawed, MC isn't about that, true it's unworkable, because now it's a mainly white middle class liberal concept designed for non whites without consultation.

You want your 4x4 repairing you ain't going to ask a gynaecologist to do it.

The majority of non whites didn't want MC either, they just want equal rights and equal treatment, not preferential treatment.

What are you withering on about? I was under the impression that MC was about equal right and equal treatment. You can't argue against that so of course you have to frame it as "favoritsm" .

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Originally posted by Geeza..:

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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The reason why MC is unworkable is simple, we have a competing ideology from one particular tribe thats goal it is to replace British values with their inferior system including sharia law.

Much as I'd like to agree with that analysis, it's flawed, MC isn't about that, true it's unworkable, because now it's a mainly white middle class liberal concept designed for non whites without consultation.

You want your 4x4 repairing you ain't going to ask a gynaecologist to do it.

The majority of non whites didn't want MC either, they just want equal rights and equal treatment, not preferential treatment.

How is it flawed?

One ideology that has been promoted by MC does indeed have its goal as replacing British values with its own.

Just goes to show either or willful misunderstanding or ignorance. What British values does MC seek to replace and with what?

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Originally posted by thenegus:

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Originally posted by Geeza..:

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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The reason why MC is unworkable is simple, we have a competing ideology from one particular tribe thats goal it is to replace British values with their inferior system including sharia law.

Much as I'd like to agree with that analysis, it's flawed, MC isn't about that, true it's unworkable, because now it's a mainly white middle class liberal concept designed for non whites without consultation.

You want your 4x4 repairing you ain't going to ask a gynaecologist to do it.

The majority of non whites didn't want MC either, they just want equal rights and equal treatment, not preferential treatment.

How is it flawed?

One ideology that has been promoted by MC does indeed have its goal as replacing British values with its own.

Just goes to show either or willful misunderstanding or ignorance. What British values does MC seek to replace and with what?

What are you withering on about?

MC as helped promote an ideology that wishes to replace British values, you also know which ideology I speak of.

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Originally posted by Geeza..:

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Originally posted by thenegus:

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Originally posted by Geeza..:

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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The reason why MC is unworkable is simple, we have a competing ideology from one particular tribe thats goal it is to replace British values with their inferior system including sharia law.

Much as I'd like to agree with that analysis, it's flawed, MC isn't about that, true it's unworkable, because now it's a mainly white middle class liberal concept designed for non whites without consultation.

You want your 4x4 repairing you ain't going to ask a gynaecologist to do it.

The majority of non whites didn't want MC either, they just want equal rights and equal treatment, not preferential treatment.

How is it flawed?

One ideology that has been promoted by MC does indeed have its goal as replacing British values with its own.

Just goes to show either or willful misunderstanding or ignorance. What British values does MC seek to replace and with what?

What are you withering on about?

MC as helped promote an ideology that wishes to replace British values, you also know which ideology I speak of.

Ah now your true views become clear. You remain objection to so-called multi-culturalism seems to be that you think it favours muslims .

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Originally posted by Geeza..:

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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The reason why MC is unworkable is simple, we have a competing ideology from one particular tribe thats goal it is to replace British values with their inferior system including sharia law.

Much as I'd like to agree with that analysis, it's flawed, MC isn't about that, true it's unworkable, because now it's a mainly white middle class liberal concept designed for non whites without consultation.

You want your 4x4 repairing you ain't going to ask a gynaecologist to do it.

The majority of non whites didn't want MC either, they just want equal rights and equal treatment, not preferential treatment.

How is it flawed?

One ideology that has been promoted by MC does indeed have its goal as replacing British values with its own.

This is your opinion dressed up as fact, MC does not have those goals, however if you care to put up evidence from a reputable source we can debate, but if you're just going to make it up as you go along, then we are wasting each others time.

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Originally posted by thenegus:

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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The reason why MC is unworkable is simple, we have a competing ideology from one particular tribe thats goal it is to replace British values with their inferior system including sharia law.

Much as I'd like to agree with that analysis, it's flawed, MC isn't about that, true it's unworkable, because now it's a mainly white middle class liberal concept designed for non whites without consultation.

You want your 4x4 repairing you ain't going to ask a gynaecologist to do it.

The majority of non whites didn't want MC either, they just want equal rights and equal treatment, not preferential treatment.

What are you withering on about? I was under the impression that MC was about equal right and equal treatment. You can't argue against that so of course you have to frame it as "favoritsm" .

I assume this was not intended for me

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Originally posted by thenegus:
Ah now your true views become clear. You remain objection to so-called multi-culturalism seems to be that you think it favours muslims .

I've never hid my views, I don't believe MC favours Muslims rather it allows them to try to setup their inferior system that utlimately wants to replace the British system.

Additionaly because MC does not re-enforce what we have in common, as it 'celebrates' diversity, it promotes separatism.

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Originally posted by Geeza..:

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Originally posted by thenegus:
Ah now your true views become clear. You remain objection to so-called multi-culturalism seems to be that you think it favours muslims .

I've never hid my views, I don't believe MC favours Muslims rather it allows them to try to setup their inferior system that utlimately wants to replace the British system.

Additionaly because MC does not re-enforce what we have in common, as it 'celebrates' diversity, it promotes separatism.

I rest my case. It's always about muslims with you isn't it ?

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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Originally posted by Geeza..:

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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The reason why MC is unworkable is simple, we have a competing ideology from one particular tribe thats goal it is to replace British values with their inferior system including sharia law.

Much as I'd like to agree with that analysis, it's flawed, MC isn't about that, true it's unworkable, because now it's a mainly white middle class liberal concept designed for non whites without consultation.

You want your 4x4 repairing you ain't going to ask a gynaecologist to do it.

The majority of non whites didn't want MC either, they just want equal rights and equal treatment, not preferential treatment.

How is it flawed?

One ideology that has been promoted by MC does indeed have its goal as replacing British values with its own.

This is your opinion dressed up as fact, MC does not have those goals, however if you care to put up evidence from a reputable source we can debate, but if you're just going to make it up as you go along, then we are wasting each others time.

Sorry I never claimed MC has these goals rather as I see it, in my opinion, this is one unfortunate side effect of MC.

It has facilitated an ideology thats goal is to dominate.

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Originally posted by Geeza..:

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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Originally posted by Geeza..:

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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The reason why MC is unworkable is simple, we have a competing ideology from one particular tribe thats goal it is to replace British values with their inferior system including sharia law.

Much as I'd like to agree with that analysis, it's flawed, MC isn't about that, true it's unworkable, because now it's a mainly white middle class liberal concept designed for non whites without consultation.

You want your 4x4 repairing you ain't going to ask a gynaecologist to do it.

The majority of non whites didn't want MC either, they just want equal rights and equal treatment, not preferential treatment.

How is it flawed?

One ideology that has been promoted by MC does indeed have its goal as replacing British values with its own.

This is your opinion dressed up as fact, MC does not have those goals, however if you care to put up evidence from a reputable source we can debate, but if you're just going to make it up as you go along, then we are wasting each others time.

Sorry I never claimed MC has these goals rather as I see it, in my opinion, this is one unfortunate side effect of MC.

It has facilitated an ideology thats goal is to dominate.

Well they can try but I doubt they will get very far using MC as it's now seen as being corrosive as opposed to enhancing diversity.

I thought the Muslim mentality was formulated centuries ago, I doubt they need MC anyway if you want to combat Islam then becoming a fire and brimstone Christian might be the answer