The council which recently banned a Christian couple from fostering because of their views on smacking will happily consider couples with a criminal record.
Discuss.
What time is it, Mr Woolf? Time to mend your ways, for the end is nigh.
Another council which recently banned a couple from fostering because of their views on smacking will happily consider Christian couples with a criminal record.
Originally posted by free_thinker: Another council which recently banned a couple from fostering because of their views on smacking will happily consider Christian couples with a criminal record.
Discuss.
Well, that's very interesting, FT, as most of the Christians I know believe that they have a biblical warrant to lovingly chastise their children?
What time is it, Mr Woolf? Time to mend your ways, for the end is nigh.
Originally posted by Mr Woolf: Well, that's very interesting, FT, as most of the Christians I know believe that they have a biblical warrant to lovingly chastise their children?
They presumably also believe they have a biblical warrant to own slaves and kill people who turn lights on on a Sunday. And on the basis they are not fit to be parents.
Originally posted by Mr Woolf: Well, that's very interesting, FT, as most of the Christians I know believe that they have a biblical warrant to lovingly chastise their children?
They presumably also believe they have a biblical warrant to own slaves and kill people who turn lights on on a Sunday. And on the basis they are not fit to be parents.
No, I don't believe that any of my friends keep slaves, and I'm sure that most of them illuminate their homes on a Sunday night: So that makes them alright parents, then.
What time is it, Mr Woolf? Time to mend your ways, for the end is nigh.
Originally posted by free_thinker: Another council which recently banned a couple from fostering because of their views on smacking will happily consider Christian couples with a criminal record.
Discuss.
Well, that's very interesting, FT, as most of the Christians I know believe that they have a biblical warrant to lovingly chastise their children?
I tend to believe you are misintepreting the holy book, man. The good book says nothing about "lovingly" chastising your kids. It says you must beat the crap out of them. Love does not come into it.
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. Proverbs 13:24
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him. Proverbs 22:15
Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Proverbs 23:13-14
And, of course, if the little devil curses his parents, the solution is to kill him:
He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. Exodus 21:17
For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. Leviticus 20:9
God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. Matthew 15:4
Originally posted by free_thinker: Another council which recently banned a couple from fostering because of their views on smacking will happily consider Christian couples with a criminal record.
Discuss.
Well, that's very interesting, FT, as most of the Christians I know believe that they have a biblical warrant to lovingly chastise their children?
I tend to believe you are misintepreting the holy book, man. The good book says nothing about "lovingly" chastising your kids. It says you must beat the crap out of them. Love does not come into it.
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. Proverbs 13:24
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him. Proverbs 22:15
Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Proverbs 23:13-14
And, of course, if the little devil curses his parents, the solution is to kill him:
He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. Exodus 21:17
For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. Leviticus 20:9
God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. Matthew 15:4
"Die the death!" That's good parenting, innit?
Praise the loooord!
Further to my earlier reply, I am also able to confirm that none of my acquainances have ever had their children executed for disrespectful behaviour.
What time is it, Mr Woolf? Time to mend your ways, for the end is nigh.
Originally posted by Mr Woolf: Further to my earlier reply, I am also able to confirm that none of my acquainances have ever had their children executed for disrespectful behaviour.
That would make them in clear contravention of an instruction from your god then.
Do remind us, what these xians can expect for disobeying god by not executing their kids for giving them a bit of lip.
Further to my earlier reply, I am also able to confirm that none of my acquainances have ever had their children executed for disrespectful behaviour.
They are a bunch of heathens, then. I'd strongly advise you to stay away from them.
Exactly the wrong attitude, Milan: Heathens are the very people I should be spending time with, convincing them of their need for repentance. Just like Jesus, hanging out with prostitutes, murderers and local government employees.
Hey, do you approve of executing your children or not? Talking to you is like pushing on a string.
And by the way, which prostitutes and murderers did JC hang out with? I don't recall any in the gospels. And which local government people do you refer to? I thought his apostles were all fishermen.
We have already touched upon the episode in which he verbally abuses and humiliates a woman for not being Jewish. But I don't think you are refering to her.
Originally posted by Mr Woolf: Further to my earlier reply, I am also able to confirm that none of my acquainances have ever had their children executed for disrespectful behaviour.
Hey, do you approve of executing your children or not? Talking to you is like pushing on a string.
You have already told us that you approve/urge of the killing of non-believers, a statement which amounts to incitement. You justified this on the grounds it is in your old book.
Executing children if they disrespect their parents is about as clear and un-equivocal a line as any in your book.
Do you agree with it?
Do you think people with such views should be considered as adoptive parents, they are after all proper xians like yourself?
Er, they considered the smackers, and rejected their appeal. Equally, they can consider those who have a criminal record, and have the right to say ye or nay accordingly, presumably based on the nature of the felony. I fail to see the problem.
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Originally posted by Mr Woolf: Further to my earlier reply, I am also able to confirm that none of my acquainances have ever had their children executed for disrespectful behaviour.
Hey, do you approve of executing your children or not? Talking to you is like pushing on a string.
You have already told us that you approve/urge of the killing of non-believers, a statement which amounts to incitement. You justified this on the grounds it is in your old book.
Executing children if they disrespect their parents is about as clear and un-equivocal a line as any in your book.
Do you agree with it?
Do you think people with such views should be considered as adoptive parents, they are after all proper xians like yourself?
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FT, Woolfy wont reply directly to your answer...he'll make light of it and gently switch subject.
Originally posted by Mr Woolf: Further to my earlier reply, I am also able to confirm that none of my acquainances have ever had their children executed for disrespectful behaviour.
Hey, do you approve of executing your children or not? Talking to you is like pushing on a string.
You have already told us that you approve/urge of the killing of non-believers, a statement which amounts to incitement. You justified this on the grounds it is in your old book.
Executing children if they disrespect their parents is about as clear and un-equivocal a line as any in your book.
Do you agree with it?
Do you think people with such views should be considered as adoptive parents, they are after all proper xians like yourself?
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FT, Woolfy wont reply directly to your answer...he'll make light of it and gently switch subject.
Wrong again, Charles.
"Kill your kids" is the answer specifically to children which curse their parents. Plus, all of this appears in the OT, which is instruction specifically for Jews. Surely we've been here before?
The other passages highlighted, referring to low level folly and misdemeanours specifically says beat them, but don't beat them to death, which is fair enough in my book.
Having said that, of course, we are urged to follow national laws where applicable, which may prevent us from following Biblical guidelines in some respects.
Does that answer your question?
What time is it, Mr Woolf? Time to mend your ways, for the end is nigh.
Originally posted by Mr Woolf: Further to my earlier reply, I am also able to confirm that none of my acquainances have ever had their children executed for disrespectful behaviour.
Hey, do you approve of executing your children or not? Talking to you is like pushing on a string.
You have already told us that you approve/urge of the killing of non-believers, a statement which amounts to incitement. You justified this on the grounds it is in your old book.
Executing children if they disrespect their parents is about as clear and un-equivocal a line as any in your book.
Do you agree with it?
Do you think people with such views should be considered as adoptive parents, they are after all proper xians like yourself?
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FT, Woolfy wont reply directly to your answer...he'll make light of it and gently switch subject.
Wrong again, Charles.
"Kill your kids" is the answer specifically to children which curse their parents. Plus, all of this appears in the OT, which is instruction specifically for Jews. Surely we've been here before?
The other passages highlighted, referring to low level folly and misdemeanours specifically says beat them, but don't beat them to death, which is fair enough in my book.
Having said that, of course, we are urged to follow national laws where applicable, which may prevent us from following Biblical guidelines in some respects.
Does that answer your question?
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It does...which according to the bible leaves me in the position of having to kill my son! My daughter just needs flogging. However, if I can find 'follow national laws where applicable' passage I can refrain from such activities - is it OT or NT?
Originally posted by Mr Woolf: "Kill your kids" is the answer specifically to children which curse their parents. Plus, all of this appears in the OT, which is instruction specifically for Jews. Surely we've been here before?
Yes, we have heard this pathetic excuse of an apology before. Not only is there nothing explicitly stated in the OT that indicates its rules only apply to jews, but jesus himself recognises their validity. It also doesn't stop the rabid right justifying their actions.
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Does that answer your question?
No because you didn't answer it, you wheedled away. Even if you think it only applies to jews, do you therefore think it is morally right, correct and a god-given instruction for a jewish father to execute his child for cursing him?
Originally posted by Mr Woolf: Further to my earlier reply, I am also able to confirm that none of my acquainances have ever had their children executed for disrespectful behaviour.
Hey, do you approve of executing your children or not? Talking to you is like pushing on a string.
You have already told us that you approve/urge of the killing of non-believers, a statement which amounts to incitement. You justified this on the grounds it is in your old book.
Executing children if they disrespect their parents is about as clear and un-equivocal a line as any in your book.
Do you agree with it?
Do you think people with such views should be considered as adoptive parents, they are after all proper xians like yourself?
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FT, Woolfy wont reply directly to your answer...he'll make light of it and gently switch subject.
Wrong again, Charles.
"Kill your kids" is the answer specifically to children which curse their parents. Plus, all of this appears in the OT, which is instruction specifically for Jews. Surely we've been here before?
The other passages highlighted, referring to low level folly and misdemeanours specifically says beat them, but don't beat them to death, which is fair enough in my book.
Having said that, of course, we are urged to follow national laws where applicable, which may prevent us from following Biblical guidelines in some respects.
Does that answer your question?
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It does...which according to the bible leaves me in the position of having to kill my son! My daughter just needs flogging. However, if I can find 'follow national laws where applicable' passage I can refrain from such activities - is it OT or NT?
I guess that would be covered in the "Give unto Caesaer that which is Caesaer's...." NT, of course.
What time is it, Mr Woolf? Time to mend your ways, for the end is nigh.
Originally posted by Mr Woolf: "Kill your kids" is the answer specifically to children which curse their parents. Plus, all of this appears in the OT, which is instruction specifically for Jews. Surely we've been here before?
Yes, we have heard this pathetic excuse of an apology before. Not only is there nothing explicitly stated in the OT that indicates its rules only apply to jews, but jesus himself recognises their validity. It also doesn't stop the rabid right justifying their actions.
quote:
Does that answer your question?
No because you didn't answer it, you wheedled away. Even if you think it only applies to jews, do you therefore think it is morally right, correct and a god-given instruction for a jewish father to execute his child for cursing him?
I think that for a parent who treats his children in a Christian manner, who then has said children turn around and curse him, then execution is a fair and appropriate remedy.
It seems to me that it absolutely mirrors the fate of God's children who curse their Heavenly Father: Having had all things provided, and having love lavished upon them, to turn around and curse the giver is pretty much as reprehensible as it gets.
What time is it, Mr Woolf? Time to mend your ways, for the end is nigh.
Originally posted by Mr Woolf: I think that for a parent who treats his children in a Christian manner, who then has said children turn around and curse him, then execution is a fair and appropriate remedy.
Yeh right, of course you do.
If this were true you would be a morally vacuous, very nasty piece of work. If this were true and you believed it were right, then you would presumably be prepared to do it yourself. I simply don't believe you would advocate or cause the death of the child of a friend or relative for being rude.
I don't even believe if you were on a jury of a trial of someone convicted of such a thing you would vote for acquittal.
Try this. Next time you are in the presence of children being rude and disrespectful to their parents, try telling them they should kill their children, and that it is your god's will. See what reaction you get.
Originally posted by Mr Woolf: I think that for a parent who treats his children in a Christian manner, who then has said children turn around and curse him, then execution is a fair and appropriate remedy.
Yeh right, of course you do.
If this were true you would be a morally vacuous, very nasty piece of work. If this were true and you believed it were right, then you would presumably be prepared to do it yourself. I simply don't believe you would advocate or cause the death of the child of a friend or relative for being rude.
I don't even believe if you were on a jury of a trial of someone convicted of such a thing you would vote for acquittal.
Try this. Next time you are in the presence of children being rude and disrespectful to their parents, try telling them they should kill their children, and that it is your god's will. See what reaction you get.
But do you not see the vast gulf between "being rude" and "cursing your parents" ?
What time is it, Mr Woolf? Time to mend your ways, for the end is nigh.
