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quote: Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
Try telling that to C Darwin.
Can you spell i-r-o-n-y? |
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quote: Originally posted by Milan K: quote: Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
Try telling that to C Darwin.
Can you spell i-r-o-n-y?
What: Like, made out of ferrous metal? |
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So does god think organised religion is healthy or unhealthy? the purity of inner salvation versus the murky waters of indoctrination?
The thoughts of Chairman Al.
If a man takes no thought about what is distant, he will find sorrow near at hand.
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quote: Originally posted by Chairman Al:
So does god think organised religion is healthy or unhealthy?
the purity of inner salvation versus the murky waters of indoctrination?
What? There aint such thing as inner salvation. Simply because there aint any salvation in the first place. The idea of salvation, sin, redemption and so on are just rubbish, of course. On the other hand organized religion is a tangible, real thing. If you collect stamps or do origami,you want to hang out with people with similar interests. So you join a club. Organized religion is the same thing. Sooner or later people join clubs. Also, if we didnt have organized religion, religion would have died a long time ago. Who would be there to brainwash your kids, and do all those ridiculous rituals like baptism, communion and the like? People need the show, man. |
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I think that Jesus was pretty clear on this matter. He was no great fan of the religious leaders of the day, since they were preaching non - biblical doctrine.
Like Christening, for instance.
Who here was Christened as a child?
Which of you had your children Christened.
Come on now.
Be honest.
How many of you were married in church?
Don't be shy.
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quote: Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
Who here was Christened as a child?
Me, against my wishes. Though I was to young to voice them. Presumably if I had been old enough and had voiced them my parents would have been right to execute me. quote: Which of you had your children Christened.
Nope, but if they expressed a wish to do so I would respect that wish even though I disagree with it. quote:
How many of you were married in church?
It was my wife-to-be's dearest wish to be married in church. I told the vicar I didn't believe in God, refused to make any pledge in the name of someone who didn't exist but was otherwise happy to take part in a pointless charade for the sake of my wife. The vicar married us anyway. Woolfy, as a self appointed moral arbiter, who was the hypocrite, me or the vicar?
Atheism - a non-prophet organisation
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quote: Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
Who here was Christened as a child?
Which of you had your children Christened.
How many of you were married in church?
No, no and no. Does that make me top heathen of the board?  |
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quote: Originally posted by free_thinker: quote: Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
Who here was Christened as a child?
Me, against my wishes. Though I was to young to voice them. Presumably if I had been old enough and had voiced them my parents would have been right to execute me. quote: Which of you had your children Christened.
Nope, but if they expressed a wish to do so I would respect that wish even though I disagree with it. quote:
How many of you were married in church?
It was my wife-to-be's dearest wish to be married in church. I told the vicar I didn't believe in God, refused to make any pledge in the name of someone who didn't exist but was otherwise happy to take part in a pointless charade for the sake of my wife. The vicar married us anyway. Woolfy, as a self appointed moral arbiter, who was the hypocrite, me or the vicar?
Far be it from me to arbitrate in cases of moral ambiguity, but it's very plain that you should not have asked the guy to marry you in the name of God, if you don't believe in God, and he was very wrong to accept your vows, in the full knowledge that you were lying. Am I wrong? Does your wife believe in God? |
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quote: Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
I think that Jesus was pretty clear on this matter. He was no great fan of the religious leaders of the day, since they were preaching non - biblical doctrine.
Like Christening, for instance.
Who here was Christened as a child?
Which of you had your children Christened.
Come on now.
Be honest.
How many of you were married in church?
Don't be shy.
I got married in church. I love churches and love wedding ceremonies - especially churchy ones. Love carol services, love christmas, love easter. However, I'm an atheist as are my wife and children. |
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quote: Originally posted by CDarwin: quote: Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
I think that Jesus was pretty clear on this matter. He was no great fan of the religious leaders of the day, since they were preaching non - biblical doctrine.
Like Christening, for instance.
Who here was Christened as a child?
Which of you had your children Christened.
Come on now.
Be honest.
How many of you were married in church?
Don't be shy.
I got married in church. I love churches and love wedding ceremonies - especially churchy ones. Love carol services, love christmas, love easter. However, I'm an atheist as are my wife and children.
What a pity that Jesus had to die such an agonising death, just so that you could enjoy another bank holiday. Don't you feel even slightly guilty? |
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quote: Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
What a pity that Jesus had to die such an agonising death, just so that you could enjoy another bank holiday.
Don't you feel even slightly guilty?
If he had died a few more times we'd have more holidays. But the guy left after just one death. |
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quote: Originally posted by Milan K: quote: Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
What a pity that Jesus had to die such an agonising death, just so that you could enjoy another bank holiday.
Don't you feel even slightly guilty?
If he had died a few more times we'd have more holidays. But the guy left after just one death.
I heard that he did it every Sunday down at the Medina. Sort of early Alice Cooper, he died on stage.
The thoughts of Chairman Al.
If a man takes no thought about what is distant, he will find sorrow near at hand.
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quote: Originally posted by Chairman Al: quote: Originally posted by Milan K: quote: Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
What a pity that Jesus had to die such an agonising death, just so that you could enjoy another bank holiday.
Don't you feel even slightly guilty?
If he had died a few more times we'd have more holidays. But the guy left after just one death.
I heard that he did it every Sunday down at the Medina. Sort of early Alice Cooper, he died on stage.
Did they take him away after the gig wrapped in a towel like James Brown? |
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quote: Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
What a pity that Jesus had to die such an agonising death, just so that you could enjoy another bank holiday.
Don't you feel even slightly guilty?
No. He's a myth! |
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quote: Originally posted by CDarwin: quote: Originally posted by Mr Woolf:
What a pity that Jesus had to die such an agonising death, just so that you could enjoy another bank holiday.
Don't you feel even slightly guilty?
No. He's a myth!
Hey, didnt you cry when they killed Bambi's mum? And she's as real as JC. Maybe that's what W means. |
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Democracy is key to destroying organised religion and ergo organised religion is anti-democratic.
The thoughts of Chairman Al.
If a man takes no thought about what is distant, he will find sorrow near at hand.
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I make you right. "Don't question the word of god". How anti-democratic can you get.
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I don't think for one second that the people who are at the top of the food chain with religion don't believe a word that they churn out.
For people to get to the top in an organisation like the Catholic Church for instance can't be really under the impression that there is a great big Satan ready to do all sorts of tempting things they don't worship god. You know, the bloke who sends plagues, diseases and kills someone children to "test" their faith.
No, the concept of a good and evil is something to keep the masses on the straight and narrow, keep the coffers full and the pews packed. Of course that con trick is, at least in Christianity, beginning to wear off.
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quote: Originally posted by Makodragon:
I don't think for one second that the people who are at the top of the food chain with religion don't believe a word that they churn out.
For people to get to the top in an organisation like the Catholic Church for instance can't be really under the impression that there is a great big Satan ready to do all sorts of tempting things they don't worship god. You know, the bloke who sends plagues, diseases and kills someone children to "test" their faith.
No, the concept of a good and evil is something to keep the masses on the straight and narrow, keep the coffers full and the pews packed. Of course that con trick is, at least in Christianity, beginning to wear off.
You may or may not be right, but can I point out a fundamental flaw in your logic: Anyone who gets to be anything like a Pope or something must first have been something like a vicar or something, right? And anyone who bothered to become a vicar must have believed at some time, or they wouldn't have bothered to have learnt all of that stuff, would they? It's not like a regular job, is it? So, for your theory to be correct, then the guy must, at some time, have had the truth and the scale of the scam revealed to him, innit? So, who do you believe is the guy who really knows the truth, and keeps it from everyone, except he tells the Pope? |
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You may or may not be right, but can I point out a fundamental flaw in your logic: quote: And anyone who bothered to become a vicar must have believed at some time, or they wouldn't have bothered to have learnt all of that stuff, would they? It's not like a regular job, is it?
a non-sequitur The seminarian may have had a strong attraction to altar boys? |
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quote: Originally posted by parklaneyid: You may or may not be right, but can I point out a fundamental flaw in your logic: quote: And anyone who bothered to become a vicar must have believed at some time, or they wouldn't have bothered to have learnt all of that stuff, would they? It's not like a regular job, is it?
a non-sequitur The seminarian may have had a strong attraction to altar boys?
So you're saying that every Pope who ever lived must have been a paedophile? And your evidence for this is? |
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quote: So you're saying that every Pope who ever lived must have been a paedophile?
And your evidence for this is?
LOL Read my sentence again, quote: The seminarian may have had a strong attraction to altar boys?
'may' be a paedophile not 'must' be one I was providing an alternative reason for joining the priesthood to counter your assertion quote: anyone who bothered to become a vicar must have believed at some time
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Not everyone who joins the clergy does so because they have faith, there are many reasons, some don't, some see it as a nice easy career, some do it to further their own agendas, like in any profession.
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quote: Originally posted by Makodragon:
Not everyone who joins the clergy does so because they have faith, there are many reasons, some don't, some see it as a nice easy career, some do it to further their own agendas, like in any profession.
But your original statement necessarily implies a general tendency for the guy who becomes Pope to be one of those (few?) people who happened to become a vicar even though he didn't believe in God. Realistically, how likely is that? |
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