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Originally posted by Joobs:

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Originally posted by MizDemeanour:
i do know you are not a nasty poster

i can also see that you are under a lot of provocation on this thread, which i do not approve of.

You should check back a couple of months to see the anti-semitic sig he used re zionists. That is our respectful Kev. I used to have some respect for him as a reasoned person but his repeated anti-israeli posts mark him as what he is. A bigoted Islamist.

well i haven't seen that myself and have only been posting here a few months, but if the sheer volume of anti muslim and anti islam posts that proliferate on this and the news forum are some sort of 'payback' for that, i think the balance has more than been struck.

kevlar seems to have stopped: can you?

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Originally posted by Joobs:

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Originally posted by MizDemeanour:
i do know you are not a nasty poster

i can also see that you are under a lot of provocation on this thread, which i do not approve of.

You should check back a couple of months to see the anti-semitic sig he used re zionists. That is our respectful Kev. I used to have some respect for him as a reasoned person but his repeated anti-israeli posts mark him as what he is. A bigoted Islamist.

I have no problem in advising what my signicture was and I still stand by it. It was "Zionism = Racism". Mizdemeanour, that was for your benefit, as I really do not want to converse with some of the posters at the moment. If you believe that to be a bigotted statement I can explain my position with this. I will catagorically state that I believe Jews, Christians, Muslims are all from the same religion and it is an article of my faith to have love for them. I have no desire to demonize any group, but merely state the facts in regards to their ideology. I do not count Jews as Zionist and have never once stated any anti-semetic comments. I deplore anti-semitism and will fight it wherever I see it, including when it comes from Muslims. I challange anyone to review my posts and find an anti-semetic comment.

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Originally posted by kevlar:
I have no problem in advising what my signicture was and I still stand by it. It was "Zionism = Racism".

Yes and you began to use it on an anti-israeli rant you were having in which your historical knowledge of the whole affair was called into question. Your viewpoint and comments were almost entirely islamist based.

Yes I agree you have at times stated your disproval at islamic practices but only when asked to do so. For instance when you first joined these fora I recall we had one rather witless muslim woman posting here (you joined in that thread). She would insult people in arabic and made some rather choice remarks about us non muslims and our moral standards and made some statements regarding our fate.

You and the other muslim contributor (Friend) at that time did not voice any concern till asked, why was that, could you not see her comments till they were pointed out?

On your recent most recent anti israeli postings each time I asked you about Hezbos part in the recent carnage you always began "in mitigation" then proceeded to list something Israel had done. Sorry Kev but that is just Islamic apologetics for terrorism - there is no mitigation.

You expressed your offence at the "cartoons" nonsense but didn't say a word about the fact that anti jewish and semitic cartoons are rife in the arab world and media until again asked to comment.

Yes you are a moderate and respectful muslim but only it seems when pushed for your opinion. You seem very reticent to step forward and be counted first.

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Originally posted by Joobs:
Tut tut Kev to acuse people of collusion in making racist comment could be deemed libelous. I do trust you don't include me in this collusion. Care to name the posters involved in this collusion. Obviously we know who made the original comment but who colluded with them?

it is not possible to libel a username as it is not a real person....

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Originally posted by Joobs:

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Originally posted by kevlar:
I have no problem in advising what my signicture was and I still stand by it. It was "Zionism = Racism".

I will not get into a debate with you but I will correct you when you are mistaken.

Yes and you began to use it on an anti-israeli rant you were having in which your historical knowledge of the whole affair was called into question. Your viewpoint and comments were almost entirely islamist based.

Of course it Islamist based, I am a Muslim. I use Islamic teachings as my base and not the conduct of Muslims.

Yes I agree you have at times stated your disproval at islamic practices but only when asked to do so. For instance when you first joined these fora I recall we had one rather witless muslim woman posting here (you joined in that thread). She would insult people in arabic and made some rather choice remarks about us non muslims and our moral standards and made some statements regarding our fate.

You and the other muslim contributor (Friend) at that time did not voice any concern till asked, why was that, could you not see her comments till they were pointed out?

I remember the incident very well, unlike yourself. I was the first out of Muslim and non-Muslim posters to say condemn that posters comments. I do not need invitations from anyone to correct a Muslim as this is an article of faith, which I am bound by.

On your recent most recent anti israeli postings each time I asked you about Hezbos part in the recent carnage you always began "in mitigation" then proceeded to list something Israel had done. Sorry Kev but that is just Islamic apologetics for terrorism - there is no mitigation.

Let's see how I posted the comment that included "mitigating" (not mitigation):

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You are leaving out one mitigating, but very important fact. The UK government has labelled and considers one of the parties as a terrorist organization and the other party a trusted ally which we help in the supply of arms.

Hardly apologising for terrorism, was it?

You expressed your offence at the "cartoons" nonsense but didn't say a word about the fact that anti jewish and semitic cartoons are rife in the arab world and media until again asked to comment.

Honestly don't remember this, could you point it out? As for any anti-semetic cartoons or comments I wholeheartedly condemn them. Do you do the same against racist comments, without being prompted?

Yes you are a moderate and respectful muslim but only it seems when pushed for your opinion. You seem very reticent to step forward and be counted first.

I stand up for what I believe in everytime. You have no idea who I am or what I do, so your comments are irrelavant to me.

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Originally posted by kevlar:
I will not get into a debate with you but I will correct you when you are mistaken.

Looks like I'll be waiting a long time for that then.

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Of course it Islamist based, I am a Muslim. I use Islamic teachings as my base and not the conduct of Muslims.

And there is the problem Islam teaches that it is OK to lie in support of your Muslim brothers and in a war does it not. Given that it is muslims who are in conflict with Israel that gives you an out.

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I remember the incident very well, unlike yourself.

Obviously you don't remember too well then since it was in response to my post asking your opinion of her posted opinions that prompted your condemnation. Want a reference? And when she called me a rather derogatory islamic term you and Friend were curiously silent (though some non muslims did comment).

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I was the first out of Muslim and non-Muslim posters to say condemn that posters comments. I do not need invitations from anyone to correct a Muslim as this is an article of faith, which I am bound by.

Now, now Kev, having a bad memory is fair enough but lying isn't. She had been condemned by load of posters for her comments before you even joined the thread. Were you using this mysterious mechanism of your god's to post before you joined in? Furthermore it was myself who reported her to the Mods which caused them to ban her or don't you remember that?

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Let's see how I posted the comment that included "mitigating" (not mitigation):

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You are leaving out one mitigating, but very important fact. The UK government has labelled and considers one of the parties as a terrorist organization and the other party a trusted ally which we help in the supply of arms.

Oh do forgive me for choosing the wrong tense of the word but the meaning is the same you are still pleading a mitigation for their actions.

Hardly apologising for terrorism, was it?

Yes it is by pleading that they have mitigating factors for their action you are attempting to lessen the nature of it. You are making an apologetic - a feeble excuse. You certainly are not condemning it.

Re "cartoons":

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Honestly don't remember this, could you point it out? As for any anti-semetic cartoons or comments I wholeheartedly condemn them. Do you do the same against racist comments, without being prompted?

Sometimes, sometimes not. I objected along with others to your zionist sig which you kept up with for a time after the complaints and even tried to defend it. So in response I used the r@ghead word and suddenly you started ranting about me being racist. That really was the start of my enlightenment to your hypocrisy. I didn't moan about the use of the word this time since I wanted to see your response first.

Personally I agree it is racist and it isn't a word I would normally use but sometimes using such words can expose the hypocrisy of others.

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I stand up for what I believe in everytime.

No doubt and most of us do the same. However, when your argument is from a biased non truth based standpoint the danger of exposure of the true nature of your argument is always there.

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You have no idea who I am or what I do, so your comments are irrelavant to me.

As are yours to me. I do not care whether you or others like me. I do not argue with others statements to court their friendship I merely do it to expose their lies, stupidity and nonsense.
Sometimes one suceeds, sometimes not. Sometimes those one is debating with even invent nonsenses just to get out of conceding they are talking rubbish.

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I remember the incident very well, unlike yourself.


Obviously you don't remember too well then since it was in response to my post asking your opinion of her posted opinions that prompted your condemnation. Want a reference? And when she called me a rather derogatory islamic term you and Friend were curiously silent (though some non muslims did comment).

Another example of me not saying anything against said poster:

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/69460501/m/8860070493/p/3

Please provide proof your for this accusation:

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Now, now Kev, having a bad memory is fair enough but lying isn't. She had been condemned by load of posters for her comments before you even joined the thread. Were you using this mysterious mechanism of your god's to post before you joined in? Furthermore it was myself who reported her to the Mods which caused them to ban her or don't you remember that?

Remember your logic, if you can't proove it then it is a lie.

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Want a reference?

Yes please.

Posted by Joobs:

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Obviously you don't remember too well then since it was in response to my post asking your opinion of her posted opinions that prompted your condemnation. Want a reference? And when she called me a rather derogatory islamic term you and Friend were curiously silent (though some non muslims did comment).

Yes Joobs, if you wouldn't mind I would like a reference.

Posted by Joobs:

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You should check back a couple of months to see the anti-semitic sig he used re zionists.

Proove it.

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Originally posted by kevlar:
Another example of me not saying anything against said poster:

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/69460501/m/8860070493/p/3

Hmmm interesting your argument with Honest seems to be about what the punishment is and who is allowed to enact it rather than the morality of the Koran stating Homosexuals are bad and should be punished for their sexuality.

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I remember the incident very well, unlike yourself.

Please provide proof your for this accusation:

Unfortunately it would appear that many of Honests posts have been binned because of what she said. But often one can see what she said from her quoted comments. Have a read at the thread "Proving the Existence of Allah to an Atheist" which was started by Honest on 16-01-06 08:55

She started 8 or 9 threads at the same time with the same cut and paste of pro islamic nonsense. Trollish behaviour at best. Her annoyance started when her cut and paste document was ripped apart and exposed for the cr@p it was.

My first post on this thread was 16-01-06 22:15 (Bottom of first page)

The first critisism of her islamic remark was on page 3 (her post was on page 2 but has now been deleted but is quoted on my 18-01-06 17:46) by Uttoxeter 19-01-06 03:16 (it refers to a somewhat ambiguous reply to honest's post by Friend which he never did clarify!)

Your first post was 28-02-06 08:27 (Page 4) Any remarks you made came after this so looks like I have proved my case. Ah, what benefits a good memory.

My first post on this thread was 16-01-06 22:15 (Bottom of first page)

The first critisism of her islamic remark was on page 3 (her post was on page 2 but has now been deleted but is quoted on my 18-01-06 17:46) by Uttoxeter 19-01-06 03:16 (it refers to a somewhat ambiguous reply to honest's post by Friend which he never did clarify!)

As I say much has been deleted but your first post was 28-02-06 08:27 (Page 4) so unless you were using that mechanism you invented for your god to defy logic... Any remarks you made came after this. Looks like I have proved my statement and wasn't lying. Ah, what benefits a good memory.

So your statement:

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"I was the first out of Muslim and non-Muslim posters to say condemn that posters comments."

does not ring true, does it?

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Originally posted by kevlar:
Posted by Joobs:

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You should check back a couple of months to see the anti-semitic sig he used re zionists.

Proove it.

You've admitted you used such a sig. God sakes, Kev you really are clutching at straws now.

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Originally posted by kevlar:

Yes Joobs, if you wouldn't mind I would like a reference.

See above, gobshite.

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Originally posted by Joobs:

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Originally posted by kevlar:
Posted by Joobs:

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You should check back a couple of months to see the anti-semitic sig he used re zionists.

Proove it.

You've admitted you used such a sig. God sakes, Kev you really are clutching at straws now.

Proove it is anti-semetic whilst I look at your "evidence".

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Originally posted by Joobs:

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Originally posted by kevlar:
Another example of me not saying anything against said poster:

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/69460501/m/8860070493/p/3

Hmmm interesting your argument with Honest seems to be about what the punishment is and who is allowed to enact it rather than the morality of the Koran stating Homosexuals are bad and should be punished for their sexuality.

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I remember the incident very well, unlike yourself.

Please provide proof your for this accusation:

Unfortunately it would appear that many of Honests posts have been binned because of what she said. But often one can see what she said from her quoted comments. Have a read at the thread "Proving the Existence of Allah to an Atheist" which was started by Honest on 16-01-06 08:55

She started 8 or 9 threads at the same time with the same cut and paste of pro islamic nonsense. Trollish behaviour at best. Her annoyance started when her cut and paste document was ripped apart and exposed for the cr@p it was.

My first post on this thread was 16-01-06 22:15 (Bottom of first page)

The first critisism of her islamic remark was on page 3 (her post was on page 2 but has now been deleted but is quoted on my 18-01-06 17:46) by Uttoxeter 19-01-06 03:16 (it refers to a somewhat ambiguous reply to honest's post by Friend which he never did clarify!)

Your first post was 28-02-06 08:27 (Page 4) Any remarks you made came after this so looks like I have proved my case. Ah, what benefits a good memory.

My first post on this thread was 16-01-06 22:15 (Bottom of first page)

The first critisism of her islamic remark was on page 3 (her post was on page 2 but has now been deleted but is quoted on my 18-01-06 17:46) by Uttoxeter 19-01-06 03:16 (it refers to a somewhat ambiguous reply to honest's post by Friend which he never did clarify!)

As I say much has been deleted but your first post was 28-02-06 08:27 (Page 4) so unless you were using that mechanism you invented for your god to defy logic... Any remarks you made came after this. Looks like I have proved my statement and wasn't lying. Ah, what benefits a good memory.

So your statement:

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"I was the first out of Muslim and non-Muslim posters to say condemn that posters comments."

does not ring true, does it?

Is this your proof!!!!!!

That I joined a thread on page four and didn't criticise something that might well have been deleted and was in a language that i don't even understand!!!!!!

Uttoxeter was not sure whether it was an insult as he stated this:

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If Honest wished to criticise/insult joobs, or better still, say 'I find your post offensive because of x,y,z', why not do it in English?

Let's look at what your accusation was:

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Obviously you don't remember too well then since it was in response to my post asking your opinion of her posted opinions that prompted your condemnation. Want a reference? And when she called me a rather derogatory islamic term you and Friend were curiously silent (though some non muslims did comment).

As I said proove it as this would not have been deleted.

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Joobs: This is a blatent lie since you cannot prove the statement so cannot claim such.

^
how old are you... thats worthy of oh, primary school at least...

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Originally posted by MizDemeanour:
^
how old are you... thats worthy of oh, primary school at least...

How dare you insult primary schools!

well, quite...

Here's a bit more flesh on some bones I kicked around: http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

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Originally posted by kevlar:

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Originally posted by Joobs:

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Originally posted by kevlar:
Another example of me not saying anything against said poster:

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/69460501/m/8860070493/p/3

Hmmm interesting your argument with Honest seems to be about what the punishment is and who is allowed to enact it rather than the morality of the Koran stating Homosexuals are bad and should be punished for their sexuality.

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I remember the incident very well, unlike yourself.

Please provide proof your for this accusation:

Unfortunately it would appear that many of Honests posts have been binned because of what she said. But often one can see what she said from her quoted comments. Have a read at the thread "Proving the Existence of Allah to an Atheist" which was started by Honest on 16-01-06 08:55

She started 8 or 9 threads at the same time with the same cut and paste of pro islamic nonsense. Trollish behaviour at best. Her annoyance started when her cut and paste document was ripped apart and exposed for the cr@p it was.

My first post on this thread was 16-01-06 22:15 (Bottom of first page)

The first critisism of her islamic remark was on page 3 (her post was on page 2 but has now been deleted but is quoted on my 18-01-06 17:46) by Uttoxeter 19-01-06 03:16 (it refers to a somewhat ambiguous reply to honest's post by Friend which he never did clarify!)

Your first post was 28-02-06 08:27 (Page 4) Any remarks you made came after this so looks like I have proved my case. Ah, what benefits a good memory.

My first post on this thread was 16-01-06 22:15 (Bottom of first page)

The first critisism of her islamic remark was on page 3 (her post was on page 2 but has now been deleted but is quoted on my 18-01-06 17:46) by Uttoxeter 19-01-06 03:16 (it refers to a somewhat ambiguous reply to honest's post by Friend which he never did clarify!)

As I say much has been deleted but your first post was 28-02-06 08:27 (Page 4) so unless you were using that mechanism you invented for your god to defy logic... Any remarks you made came after this. Looks like I have proved my statement and wasn't lying. Ah, what benefits a good memory.

So your statement:

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"I was the first out of Muslim and non-Muslim posters to say condemn that posters comments."

does not ring true, does it?

Is this your proof!!!!!!

That I joined a thread on page four and didn't criticise something that might well have been deleted and was in a language that i don't even understand!!!!!!

Uttoxeter was not sure whether it was an insult as he stated this:

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If Honest wished to criticise/insult joobs, or better still, say 'I find your post offensive because of x,y,z', why not do it in English?

Let's look at what your accusation was:

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Obviously you don't remember too well then since it was in response to my post asking your opinion of her posted opinions that prompted your condemnation. Want a reference? And when she called me a rather derogatory islamic term you and Friend were curiously silent (though some non muslims did comment).

As I said proove it as this would not have been deleted.

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Joobs: This is a blatent lie since you cannot prove the statement so cannot claim such.

Joobs, whats going on mate? You seem to have answered a lot of posts, but mine.