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im stunned that people find this shocking in 2008 Britain!! This country is rife with idiots you have seen this evening. But these sorts of parents are rife in all sport. many have delusions of granduer and think there little jonny is going to be the next beckham and make them millions!!! its saddens me to think people will exploit there own children in this way, children are a privalage not some way of getting you early retirment!!!!
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Thank goodness we have some people posting here like SUB who know what they are talking about. I read some rubbish from concernedcitizen and a few parents, and the rubbish they spouted about child abuse infuriated me.
I am 19, I wish i could have done thai boxing when i was little but my parents would never have allowed it. Although some of the kids like Thai are forced, most of these kids clearly love what they are doing and the matches are sanctioned. This is an example of why Britain has such great boxers. The kids are trained at a young age so the proper use of aggression and confidence can be taught. I envy those that have talent like this. I pity those who call this 'child abuse.'
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Please don’t waste your pity on those of us calling this child abuse. Pity the children who are being abused.
I accept there are those of you on here that know more about Thai boxing and accept you defending it. Most seem to say that what we saw last night was NOT a fair and true representation. But you have to accept there are those of us on here who know what child abuse is and have studied the effects of it, which I have through my profession.
Two things were represented last night. The sport (unfairly maybe) and the behaviour of the parents. Although I hate boxing of any kind I accept I know nothing about Thai boxing. But I DO know that the REPEATED unfair, unkind and often nasty treatment of those kids concerned me greatly.
So perhaps those of you so keen to defend the programme could stop long enough to consider whether you can keep on ignoring that issue JUST so you can defend a sport you love so much.
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The NSPCC have formally complained to OFCOM (Office of Communications) about the content of this programme and have voiced concerns over the safety and emotional wellbeing of the children who appear in the programme. OFCOM are the regulatory body and have set rules, guidelines and standards of acceptability that all broadcasters have to adhere to. OFCOM have reassured the NSPCC that they will be monitoring the programme in light of our concerns.
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quote: Originally posted by Jessunstoof:
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The NSPCC have formally complained to OFCOM (Office of Communications) about the content of this programme and have voiced concerns over the safety and emotional wellbeing of the children who appear in the programme. OFCOM are the regulatory body and have set rules, guidelines and standards of acceptability that all broadcasters have to adhere to. OFCOM have reassured the NSPCC that they will be monitoring the programme in light of our concerns.
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Why are people so disgusted at this? Personally I do not understand, children are taught from young ages to do every sport, i'd expect the same to be happening in boxing also but you really can't compare the two sports. [I DO NOT THINK FIVE YEAR OLD SHOULD FIGHTING] But surely a 10 year old by now would be able to make a choice if he never wanted to do it.
What I see is the parents haven't actually taught their children to have respect for the sport and skills they are learning, or they just didn't show those parts as I have noticed with CHANNEL4 that only 1 side is shown on most documentaries and news reports.
Do not forget CHANNEL4 is PROPAGANDA MACHINE, who knows what they filmed and what they edited out, the fact is on the filming they were having fights and there will always be build up to fights like this, did Calzaghe not say he was going to knock out Hopkins at the weekend and all the intimidation going on at the weigh ins.
What they showed is that the parents were teaching their children to use Muay Thai as a gateway to fame and money. Which I find is a sad reflection on modern life where we are surrounded by celebrities and their fame and glamour.
It is a dangerous society we live in and skills like this need to be learned and not used in situations which can be avoided ie that Connor kid hitting someone at school over some stupidity likely.
Contact sports take skill if your going to rise to the top.
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I have no idea how or why the social services have not paid any of these families in last nights documentary a visit.
I found the parents of that poor little girl the most disturbing pair Ive ever seen.The childobviously DID NOT want to get into that ring and fihgt and yet they pushed her into it. What an ugly ignorant pair they are, some people shouldnt be allowed to be parents.
That litle gilr is gonna grow up to be one of those girls who is always in fights and in and out of jail all her life.
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I run a kickboxing club I have fought trained and refereed. I train under the British Kickboxing rules and everything in the cutting edge programe is against what we are trying to do. We do not force children to fight we will not allow them to compete under the age of six. When I am refereeing I will not have parents screaming at the children I will not allow swearing from parents or trainers and I will not allow heavy contact. For the childerrn we make it fun. As for taking your child to Thailand to fight in what is basicly a full contact fight is wrong, if they are over sixteen no problem. That guy was just trying to make his son into some thing he failed at.
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Great TV - really watchable. It was only the parents who were out of hand - take them out of the equation and I could n't really see a problem. I don't think the children should be able to fight without headgear etc.
There's plenty of parents i know who are the same except they do it with academic work or football or swimming. Same type of parent trying to mould their child into perceived success.
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i am a 27 year old female who has trained in thai boxin for 4 years, my daughter who is 7 has trained in thai boxin for 2 and a half years(in a well manored gym) .The program last night shocked me as how can a child 10 years of age take responsability of injury or death to onother child with a kick to the head (as there parents have signed for it)?I have been to many fights and have never seen anything like that with kids ,my daughter spars ALAWYS with a head guard and rest of kit and no head shots as im responsible for my daughter and if and when she wants to fight i will b in her corner with pride and not shoutin do him/her.
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quote: Originally posted by Master Dave:
I run a kickboxing club I have fought trained and refereed. I train under the British Kickboxing rules and everything in the cutting edge programe is against what we are trying to do. We do not force children to fight we will not allow them to compete under the age of six. When I am refereeing I will not have parents screaming at the children I will not allow swearing from parents or trainers and I will not allow heavy contact. For the childerrn we make it fun. As for taking your child to Thailand to fight in what is basicly a full contact fight is wrong, if they are over sixteen no problem. That guy was just trying to make his son into some thing he failed at.
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channel 4 need to do a programe on the better side of thai boxing in a controled gym where kids have more to life than thai boxing as in going out to play.One of the main instructors go round primary schools on health weeks as there is more to thaiboxing than a lot of people think,so please channel 4 show us the better side as the program u showed last night gave thai boxing a bad name .
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I was disgusted at the parent mentality in the Baby Fight Club documentary. How can a parent love their precious child if they are exposing them to such violence. Watching a little 5 year old girl being forced to go and fight another was sickening. SHe obviously didn't want to go and was in tears. I urge the Government and Social Services to look into this so-called sport as a matter of urgency to legislate against it for the protection of young children who are being forced into this macabre violent 'sport'. I am a primary school teacher and am appalled that this fighting is allowed to continue. It needs to be stopped now!!
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I am the Mum of a 16 yr old boy involved in Muay Thai. As a mum it is not what i would choose for him, but feel it is my job to encourage and support him. My son also plays football and rugby and has recieved injuries from both sports, none from Muay thai. Muay Thai has taught him respect and confidence as well as improving his fitness. These will help him through out his life. This programme i feel did not show Muay thai in a bad way, it showed up the parents involved in the making of this programme. My son has never been forced into the ring, has never been swore at, i would not allow that to happen, but has been given the opportunity to make the decisions for himself with the support of his instructor and his family.
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My son (age 8) and i were interviewed for this program, along with all the other children at our thai boxing gym. Channel 4 were not interested in us as we were not pushy enough!!!! please do not judge all parents who send their children to thai boxing, my son has trained for 3 years now and he loves it. We encourage sports as we hope that it will give our children other interests than hanging around the streets causing trouble when they are teenagers. I can assure you that i make much more noise at one of his football matches than i do at one of his fights. At least these parents are taking an interest in their children, although i agree what was shown was the extremes of child thai boxing.
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It was particularly hard to watch the little girl crying and not wanting to fight.
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your comment is unfair, children aren't trained to be violent, they learn control, decipline and respect. you have judged us all based on a tiny minority. Sport is good for the mind and body, and as long it is the childs choice it doesn't matter what sport they do. if we all encouraged and supported our children more we would have a better world. quote: Originally posted by Hettie37:
I was disgusted at the parent mentality in the Baby Fight Club documentary. How can a parent love their precious child if they are exposing them to such violence. Watching a little 5 year old girl being forced to go and fight another was sickening. SHe obviously didn't want to go and was in tears. To me that is child abuse and the parents should be prosecuted. I urge the Government and Social Services to look into this so-called sport as a matter of urgency to legislate against it for the protection of young children who are being forced into this macabre violent 'sport'. I am a primary school teacher and am appalled that this fighting is allowed to continue. It needs to be stopped now!!
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I have read many of the posts and have waited impatiently for my membership approval to say my piece. There are several reasons this SPORT should be stopped immediately in the context it was demonstrated on cutting edge (i.e. children).
FirstlyWhat about the young child's physical development? trauma to bones from constant kicking and being kicked to young bones that are still growing. The brain which is not not yet fully developed, although they said they were not allowed to punch in the head area we all saw this take place on numerous occasions.
SecondlyWe live in a society where it is known that there are people who have an unnatural interest in children and violence, how many of them were prepared to fork out £35?
ThirdlyMost of these children if they continue to fight from such a young age will have long term effects, physically and emotionally.
I am not against martial arts, I trained with my children, it was non-violent in comparison to last nights viewing and it was 2hrs a week at most. Anybody practising outside the dojo would be removed and told not to return, the above is giving martial arts a bad name...These children in my eyes are at risk! it is against the law to put two dogs in a ring to fight, but its legal to do it with small children as young as 4-5 yrs???
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quote: Originally posted by thai mom:
My son (age 8) and i were interviewed for this program, along with all the other children at our thai boxing gym. Channel 4 were not interested in us as we were not pushy enough!!!! please do not judge all parents who send their children to thai boxing, my son has trained for 3 years now and he loves it. We encourage sports as we hope that it will give our children other interests than hanging around the streets causing trouble when they are teenagers. I can assure you that i make much more noise at one of his football matches than i do at one of his fights. At least these parents are taking an interest in their children, although i agree what was shown was the extremes of child thai boxing.
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i am apalled with ch.4 for portraying martial arts & the sport of kickboxing in such a biased and cold blooded way. members of my family are kickboxing fighters,inc.children and thouroughly enjoy the sport. My son teaches karate and kickboxing and our family and others from the many clubs we know are nothing like the families portrayed on the show, we would never,for instance,agitate the children to make
them angry before a fight.or forcefeed spaggettit!,ch.4 should portray the TRUE STORY!!!
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The power of documentary film making is easily abused and this appears to be a definite case of that.
Rejection of many potential subjects for not being sensationalist enough. Selective editting to only show the negatives of the sport. Choice of non-representative settings. All were present in this show.
Over zealous and pushy parents are found in all childrens activties from Muay Thai to Football and to Ballet and are not indicative of the mindset of the parents of most children involved in Muay Thai (or any other sport)yet that was not potrayed in the show.
Contact to the head is not allowed in childrens Muay Thai and while this was mentioned during the show it was not emhpasised allowing mnay viewers to get the wrong impression.
Congratulations on an emotive and sensationalist piece that has hurt a developing sport. Can you now go back to your usual haunt of demonising immigrants?
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Having taken sample readings of this forum, it is obvious this programme was intended to create debate by portraying Thai-boxing as a villanous sport. It is far from it.
My Dad is a Muay-Thai instructor (Aged 72),my son was British Champion when aged 11,my brother was area champion, and I just had the 2 Interclub bouts.My daughter trains, but doesnt want to fight.All of us are passionate about the sport.
The programme makers did an excellent job of biasing the docu towards anti-Muay Thai. They did this by making sure the 'Parents' were borderline psycho's whose language must have had the producers rubbing their hands in glee!!. These 'parents' (and their poor kids), are NOT A-typical of the masses of ordinary folk who partake in Muay-Thai.
As mooted above, anyone who murmurs during a class, let alone swear, is 'Off the mat' instantly. Muay-Thai is built around discipline and respect. If you were to meet my kids (Now 19 and 12) you would comment on how polite and personable they are. That, I believe, has come not only from good parenting, but also the respect that Muay-Thai demands.
For those of you who have never tried 'Full-contact' martial arts like Muay-Thai, please do not assume we are all like the people in last nights programme. We are definitely not.
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I agree with the above post, channel 4 were only able to film it because it does exist, and maybe not all parents are as pushy as the ones portrayed,but...how many people were in the audience watching 'princess' in distress and did nothing??i would imagine that some of these people are actively involved in the SPORT with there own children and are prepared to sit and watch it even though they are not like the families portrayed, to me it makes them just as bad...
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