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quote: Originally posted by laugar:
how many of you loving parents will be on the football pitch sunday afternoon screaming abuse at the referee and the other teams coaches / players whilst you're little angel who really wants to win the league plays for the love of playing football, and thinks he's playing becasue you want him to be brilliant at football, and not because you didnt get the chance to be brilliant when you were younger!!!
Channel 4, please make programs about other childrens sports please!!
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quote: Originally posted by DaltyWalty:
i have to agree, i think the shock value is due to the makers rather than the sport and we can all sit and slag it off at how disgusted we were but we still sat and watched the programme. It may say more about us an audience
I have to disagree with you, I think that watching does not say anything about me personally other than wanting to be aware of what is actually going on in our society, I have never joined a forum before and the very fact that I am now aware of this inspired me to want to come and 'say my bit on the subject on thia'. Also I will mention this in converstaions with the people I am in contact with daily, so awareness will be raised and maybe this will help in a small way to put a stop to something I can only desribe as 'stupitady at it's finest'. |
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quote: Originally posted by laugar:
how many of you loving parents will be on the football pitch sunday afternoon screaming abuse at the referee and the other teams coaches / players whilst you're little angel who really wants to win the league plays for the love of playing football, and thinks he's playing becasue you want him to be brilliant at football, and not because you didnt get the chance to be brilliant when you were younger!!!
Channel 4, please make programs about other childrens sports please!!
I agree totally! i'm also an FA qualified childrens football coach and see the same if not worse language /behaviour at the football matches.Some parents overstep the mark but please do not single out thai boxing! |
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im a kickboxing instructor and i teach kids from 4 years old and have to say i wasnt shocked but dissapointed in what i saw, kids are kids and they should be enjoying and having fun with what they are doing,this just seemed far too extreme, they should not be trying to knock each other out, they should not be feeding them up to make weight, they certainly should not be making them angry and aggressive before they go into the ring.i think that some of the parents and coaches are just out for the wins and not for the childrens wellbeing
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quote: Originally posted by laugar:
how many of you loving parents will be on the football pitch sunday afternoon screaming abuse at the referee and the other teams coaches / players whilst you're little angel who really wants to win the league plays for the love of playing football, and thinks he's playing becasue you want him to be brilliant at football, and not because you didnt get the chance to be brilliant when you were younger!!!
Channel 4, please make programs about other childrens sports please!!
I agree with the football part, but if you take the sport of rugby, you would see a different way of life. Socialising, applause of both teams, and respect towards the ref and other players. |
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TV people make a TV programme to represent whatever they choose. The makers of this documentary have chosen to focus on groups of people who do not represent the Muay Thai community. The documentary did not demonstrate the spiritual way of life which teaches us of honour and respect for our parents and teachers as well as those we fight which is integral to the core teaching of this ancient martial art. NO respectable Muay Thai federation was represented here as no respect was shown at the start and end of the fight. This was merely an attempt to shock the public and generate viewing potential – the makers clearly had an agenda and unfortunately lacked the skill to produce a truly thought provoking documentary which would have been multi faceted and have shown a broader aspects of Muay Thai – in a good Muay Thai gym you will find a range of people from all walks of life from housewives to lawyers with the aim of improving body mind and spirit – pushy parents are found in all sports ever watched football on a Sunday??
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Everyone knows what kick bocking is about why watch it if it left you so disturbed these kids are not there to tickle each other! I have 2 sons age 4 & 10 who attend these classes, i dont have a problem with it my kids dont either but they have not had an organised fight yet. these kids are fighting in a controlled enviroment and if needed will and do use this as a means of self defence outside the ring, my son recently got hit at school and received a cracked rib but he didnt use his kick boxing he walked away and a lot of this is down to his trainer who teaches these kids to give respect to the martial arts shows them discipline,confidence and the ability to defend their selves, my 4 year old son has adhd and i found kick boxing a great way to curb his temper we only have a few outbursts a week now instead of every day. The parents were way over the top but that is not the kids fault. also what the programme failed to show was a club that held a class because my kids do more traing with bags than actual sparring but when they do spar it is very controlled. what you have seen tonight does not represent all clubs and yes my kids have a licence.
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quote: Originally posted by coxm:
As I have said I am totally appalled by what I have just seen - however, having been involved in coaching children in sport for many years we should not single out kick boxing - unfortunately in all sports parents live their dreams through their children and this is the crime - not that of kick boxing.
This was not the sport of Kick Boxing! |
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This is a message for tha Asian father in the documentary: I felt that you were different from the other parents in that you weren't sadistic in the way the others were. But it is wrong to live your life through your child. Your child is his own person. He seems like a sweet kid and I felt sorry for him with all the eczema stuff. But the way to give him real strenght of character is not to force him into violence- real strength is in knowledge, kindness, acceptance. This all make me sounds like a wooly liberal but it's also true. Please let your poor boy find hisown way in life- do not project on him all your frustrations, anger and disappointment.
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quote: Originally posted by louisevixen: quote: Originally posted by laugar:
how many of you loving parents will be on the football pitch sunday afternoon screaming abuse at the referee and the other teams coaches / players whilst you're little angel who really wants to win the league plays for the love of playing football, and thinks he's playing becasue you want him to be brilliant at football, and not because you didnt get the chance to be brilliant when you were younger!!!
Channel 4, please make programs about other childrens sports please!!
I agree totally! i'm also an FA qualified childrens football coach and see the same if not worse language /behaviour at the football matches.Some parents overstep the mark but please do not single out thai boxing!
Football is NOT BEATING THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF ANOTHER CHILD!!!!!!!! HOW CAN YOU COMPARE IT? |
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how many of you have sent your children to karate / taekwondo / kungfu / ju jitsu etc?
what do you think they do in there? You are sending them to a contact sport, they will get bruises, they will get nose bleed, black eyes! Its par for the course!
Has your child come home with a scraped knee playing football? A stud mark up his leg playing rugby? A broken finger? A black eye?
Rugby union allows 14 people to hit each other chasing an odd shaped pig skin. The point of the game is to stop the other player by knocing him to the ground? Is that not barbaric behaviour? Nope, its a sport, a sport which has mega media coverage which we all know about!
They will learn respect, discipline and become fantastic well rounded individuals!
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quote: Originally posted by theboffs:
I'm divided - yes it's violent from an outside point of view but I've seen and heard worse behaviour on the streets virtually everywhere I've lived. Any form of Martial Arts should be used to train the mind as much as the body. What I would say is that Conner's Mum - you need to teach him to respect what he's learned; from what I've seen tonight, he's little more than a bully. Thai's parent's? Your son seems well balanced - he's aware of what he can do without abusing his talent. Dad - I think you were a bit gentle overall but far too quick to put him down at the side of the ring. Encourage - don't put him down. Mum - you are scary! You seem too intense on Thai causing harm to his opponents. Thai - keep going, despite yoour age, you seem totally aware of the responsibility and respect that any martial art deserves. You are perfectly balanced between your dad's insight and your mum's aggressiveness whilst still seeming to be a "normal" 10yr old boy outside the ring - that's exactly how it should be. Have more confidence, know when it's right to fight and when it's not but don't expect everybody to follow the same ethos!
How can you say that he is a normal 10 year old outside the ring when he's not even allowed to "play" with his friends 'cos he has to train all hours. It's far from "normal". |
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A couple of things -
- The behaviour of the parents, just like at any sport. Go to a 10 yr olds football match and see parents swearing at opponents, refferees and supporters. Threating to beat up the ref etc, so nothing new there.
- Who said they are doing it for the money, have a laugh, show me one Thai Boxer who can afford a Bently, they get £100s not millions per fight, so wrong
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I think you will find that as adults we can pick out the bits of the programme that are edited to show things in a bad light, I agree with children doing martial arts or any other sport as a hobby but to have a minority of parents baying the kids at the side of the ring is wrong, if the profile of the sport is to be improved then the out of control parents shouting the kind of encouragement!! shown should be removed from the side of the ring quote: Originally posted by laugar:
Well done channel 4, you have helped to destroy martial arts as a practice. You did not try to interview any of the officials or other coaches or indeed other families participatingin in the sport to get a fuller picture of what goes on.
This program was aimed at people who have no clue about what goes on in the sport martial art world.
There is nothing but total control when children fight each other. They have so much padding on its virtually impossible to hurt each other.
Its clear from the clueless replies to the shocked masses that your job is done!
Its also clear that you too are clueless about what goes on. The editor has done a good job there on turning what goes on into barbaric fighting!
Well chosen families too! You know how to pick em!
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quote: Originally posted by michaeljrox: quote: Originally posted by laugar:
Well done channel 4, you have helped to destroy martial arts as a practice. You did not try to interview any of the officials or other coaches or indeed other families participatingin in the sport to get a fuller picture of what goes on.
This program was aimed at people who have no clue about what goes on in the sport martial art world.
There is nothing but total control when children fight each other. They have so much padding on its virtually impossible to hurt each other.
Its clear from the clueless replies to the shocked masses that your job is done!
Its also clear that you too are clueless about what goes on. The editor has done a good job there on turning what goes on into barbaric fighting!
Well chosen families too! You know how to pick em!
Agree!
I think you are missing the point it is not an attack on martial arts. You saw children in absolute fear and dread of what was about to happen - surely this cannot be right. I have experienced this sort of fear in such sports as football, swimming etc etc and it is not the sport we are knocking but the parents who behave in this way. |
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Kids getting fit great! But being so violent and all because their parents didnt do it when they were younger... not on in my opinion.
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quote: Originally posted by anglohellene:
This is a message for tha Asian father in the documentary: I felt that you were different from the other parents in that you weren't sadistic in the way the others were. But it is wrong to live your life through your child. Your child is his own person. He seems like a sweet kid and I felt sorry for him with all the eczema stuff. But the way to give him real strenght of character is not to force him into violence- real strength is in knowledge, kindness, acceptance. This all make me sounds like a wooly liberal but it's also true. Please let your poor boy find hisown way in life- do not project on him all your frustrations, anger and disappointment.
the guy was just a proud father, i saw a young lad who loved muay thai who was upset when he didnt win. |
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How comes no one has picked up on the swearing aimed at the 10 year olds? Is this ok to teach kids? No wonder there is a lack of respect now days.
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quote: Originally posted by jennifer27: quote: Originally posted by louisevixen: quote: Originally posted by laugar:
how many of you loving parents will be on the football pitch sunday afternoon screaming abuse at the referee and the other teams coaches / players whilst you're little angel who really wants to win the league plays for the love of playing football, and thinks he's playing becasue you want him to be brilliant at football, and not because you didnt get the chance to be brilliant when you were younger!!!
Channel 4, please make programs about other childrens sports please!!
I agree totally! i'm also an FA qualified childrens football coach and see the same if not worse language /behaviour at the football matches.Some parents overstep the mark but please do not single out thai boxing!
Football is NOT BEATING THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF ANOTHER CHILD!!!!!!!! HOW CAN YOU COMPARE IT?
Its not about all about the parents language! Its about the children been subjected to violence, learning to think with their fists and not their minds! |
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These parents need to get a reality check and stop treating their kids like pit bulls. The people who sit outside of the ring also need to take a step back and look at themselves. I am involved in coaching mini rugby and would not allow any child to play this contact sport without the appropriate protection, head gear is paramount.
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