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ooh I have a star! That means im right!

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louisevixen

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ooh I have a star! That means im right!

you are totally right hon!! and well done for not being riled by some of the naive people on here.You would have thought that in this day and age people would know not to take what they see on the tv and read in the papers as the 100% truth.There are always 2 sides to every story and i'm dissapointed with channel 4 for not producing a balanced programme on the sport to enable people to make an informed decision.

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Angelmouse2028

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Originally posted by Angelmouse2028:What a sad world we live in when people cant see just how very WRONG that doc was
No, what a sad world we live in when peope are quick to condemn something that is misrepresented and of which they have no true knowledge or awareness.

I know what I saw tonight it was a disgrace the people are poor excuses for parents. As a parent you are a teacher of right and wrong, or is the way these so called parents acted normal to you?

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incidently, if you're all for ending violence im hoping that you all this instant take away you're childrens video games, action figures, toy guns, plastic swords etc.

Crazy men in suits jumping round kicking villains and making a giant robot destroy a city whilst killing a giant monster with kicks and punches!?? Power rangers I think they're called!!

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Henzah

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Originally posted by Angelmouse2028:.. is the way these so called parents acted normal to you?

- I have already said that these parents were a bad representation of the sport of thaiboxing and its junior following. They mostly appeared not to instill respect for others in their children, nor discipline outside of the gym. These parents were not typical - for example, telling the child how crap they are doing in a fight! Great positive encouragement, haha...

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cgs

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To the person who said about prison, I think anyone who practices Muah Thai is probably less likely to end up in prison because it is all about control and discipline. It is not the same as cage fighting or boxing. Would have been nice to see some of the better families whose children chose to do this sport. A shame as I said before. I really would encourage you to go along and watch though.

I suppose Channel 4 know what will make people want to watch, the title alone is enough! The families in this programme were not the best, but this should not be a reflection on the sport as a whole

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rugbyrick

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i only caught the last 15 mins of this programme. It just highlights the depths someparents will sink to in order to avoid their presponsibilities. The real concern for me is that they,the people organising the event ant those who paid and stood up to applaud the spectacle see nothing wrong with it.

scarrrrrry

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JAzz77

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Would just like to say that Muay Thai is an amazing SPORT and that this Very one sided documentary has mislead thousands of people into believing that these fights are organised so we can watch kids beat eachother up!

It is a measure of SKILL! and these childrenare amazing in what they have achieved! How dare you take that away from them saying that there parents are ruining there lives! They will probably go on to being professional athletes being great role models for other children.

There is virtually no chance of getting hurt. You are far more likely to break bones in Football or Rugby! Both sports in which children start as soon as they can walk!

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sian2892

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Well done channel 4, you have helped to destroy martial arts as a practice. You did not try to interview any of the officials or other coaches or indeed other families participatingin in the sport to get a fuller picture of what goes on.

This program was aimed at people who have no clue about what goes on in the sport martial art world.

There is nothing but total control when children fight each other. They have so much padding on its virtually impossible to hurt each other.

Its clear from the clueless replies to the shocked masses that your job is done!

Its also clear that you too are clueless about what goes on. The editor has done a good job there on turning what goes on into barbaric fighting!

Well chosen families too! You know how to pick em!

1) There were interviews with the parents of some of the children involved. There was also footage of the parents committing offences under s5 of the public order act 1986 by repeatedly swearing at their own children in public... great parenting skills... they come across so well even when they know they are being filmed...I bet they are much sweeter off camera?!?!?!

2) If there is "total control" then why were there head and neck strikes in a 'No head strking fight'?

3)"They have so much padding on its virtually impossible to hurt each other". In one fight shown a child wore NO head protection...strikes to the head took place on many occasions.

4) The camera shows barbaric fighting between minors who are being encouraged by the people they look up to most in this world ie their parents to punch and kick another minor. The footage shows it. Are you saying these events did not happen as the footage shows?

5) Some of the families shown exhist within the highest levels of this sport at their age groups...

LAUGAR, before you think I have no idea what I am talking about I fought sucessfuly as a child and adult in both area and national champs. I now have two young boys who I would not encourage into fighting of any sort unless the situation dictated it. The reasons for this should be obvious to any parent, I do not want to see them hurt and do not want to seen them hurt another child.

See sense.

have you ever played football and hurt someone by sliding tackling them in the legs, not intentionally. It was an accident. You're not supposed to do that. But the game carried on regardless with a little telling off?

- you probably have.

incidently, were your area and national champs fought at full contact or was it freestyle / points fighting. Two very different things again. And depending on which one it was will have an effect on why you think like you do. And if im wrong then you must have ad some bad experiences!

I assume that you now retract your comment regarding "total control" as you agree that there are accidents and therfore it is not total control...several strikes worth in a fight involving minors...I was concerned that the parent complained enough about it post fight but did not pull their child from it whilst they still had a chance of a win....says it all really about the parents prioritys...

Genuinely going for a ball in football and punching at someone to their face whilst they are wearing no head protective equipment are completely differnt things. If kicked someone in the head during a football (no strikes to head aloud there) game I'd expect some serious fall out!!!

I notce that you did not answer have any answer to the parents behaviour, the lack of protective equip' despite your earlier comments etc.

I quit because their is/was no money in it.

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spectator1977

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who thinks this sport is bad?
i think its great and the sports persons involved are happy enough to do it so i think they should have there own choices
afterall we all choose if we get in a vehicle or not and lets have it right cars are more dangerous than a sport such as this????

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i am utterly disgusted at this programme i have never seen anything so sick on tv its a disgrace. i myself have a 5 year old daughter and the thought of screaming at her to knock another child out repulses me to my stomach. i do not agree with children boy or girl fighting like this until they r at least 16 theyre bones are still growing and it does not take much for them to break let alone the threat of brain damage or death which these mongrels are signing theyre kids up for its disgraceful!!! the children in this programme were 10 at the oldest and although they seem to be up for it they are clearly not ready in any way to deal with defeat which is only adding more pressure. children of this age should be concentrating on an education and this type of sport should be taken only as a hobby and a bit of fun down at the gym until they are mature enough to deal with the risks.

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Claremc

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As a mother of a young son I found myself almost driven to tears watching these children being pushed into a violent sport by their aggressive, foul mouthed parents. How can it ever be acceptable to send your 5 year old child to Thailand to fight simply because you want him to experience being kicked in the head and elbowed? I cannot believe this is actually taking place in the civilised world!

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rugbyrick

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The criticism was not of the sport it was directly at the parents, organisers and punters. What do they want to see, a knockout? one CHILD lay on the floor, possibly theirs!

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Originally posted by sian2892:
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Originally posted by laugar:
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Originally posted by sian2892:
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Originally posted by laugar:
Well done channel 4, you have helped to destroy martial arts as a practice. You did not try to interview any of the officials or other coaches or indeed other families participatingin in the sport to get a fuller picture of what goes on.

This program was aimed at people who have no clue about what goes on in the sport martial art world.

There is nothing but total control when children fight each other. They have so much padding on its virtually impossible to hurt each other.

Its clear from the clueless replies to the shocked masses that your job is done!

Its also clear that you too are clueless about what goes on. The editor has done a good job there on turning what goes on into barbaric fighting!

Well chosen families too! You know how to pick em!

1) There were interviews with the parents of some of the children involved. There was also footage of the parents committing offences under s5 of the public order act 1986 by repeatedly swearing at their own children in public... great parenting skills... they come across so well even when they know they are being filmed...I bet they are much sweeter off camera?!?!?!

2) If there is "total control" then why were there head and neck strikes in a 'No head strking fight'?

3)"They have so much padding on its virtually impossible to hurt each other". In one fight shown a child wore NO head protection...strikes to the head took place on many occasions.

4) The camera shows barbaric fighting between minors who are being encouraged by the people they look up to most in this world ie their parents to punch and kick another minor. The footage shows it. Are you saying these events did not happen as the footage shows?

5) Some of the families shown exhist within the highest levels of this sport at their age groups...

LAUGAR, before you think I have no idea what I am talking about I fought sucessfuly as a child and adult in both area and national champs. I now have two young boys who I would not encourage into fighting of any sort unless the situation dictated it. The reasons for this should be obvious to any parent, I do not want to see them hurt and do not want to seen them hurt another child.

See sense.

have you ever played football and hurt someone by sliding tackling them in the legs, not intentionally. It was an accident. You're not supposed to do that. But the game carried on regardless with a little telling off?

- you probably have.

incidently, were your area and national champs fought at full contact or was it freestyle / points fighting. Two very different things again. And depending on which one it was will have an effect on why you think like you do. And if im wrong then you must have ad some bad experiences!

I assume that you now retract your comment regarding "total control" as you agree that there are accidents and therfore it is not total control...several strikes worth in a fight involving minors...I was concerned that the parent complained enough about it post fight but did not pull their child from it whilst they still had a chance of a win....says it all really about the parents prioritys...

Genuinely going for a ball in football and punching at someone to their face whilst they are wearing no head protective equipment are completely differnt things. If kicked someone in the head during a football (no strikes to head aloud there) game I'd expect some serious fall out!!!

I notce that you did not answer have any answer to the parents behaviour, the lack of protective equip' despite your earlier comments etc.

I quit because their is/was no money in it.

if you read my other comments you will notice I have agreed with the masses that the behaviour is appauling.

With regards to the accidental slips it happens. They have to hit in the body, if the hands are raised to block it'll slip up. It showed 3 or 4 punches that hit the head in 5 rounds!

you didnt answer my question about the style you fought in!?

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Blm

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I started riding horses when I was 3. Sustained more injuries from that than any of the kids on that programme seemed to have done.

If you want to be a professional athlete you have to start young, regardless of sport. It's ridiculous to say that kids can't take losing - you need to learn to lose to be prepared for the real world - and also to see that putting in effort has its rewards. I'm pretty sure Amir Khan/Lewis Hamilton etc. are glad that they put in the effort when they were young.

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csok

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Absolutely disgracefull how could a parent allow there child to participate in such brutality. I was very moved by the young girl who was so distressed when she was FORCED to enter the ring.Young children should be encouraged to follow there own dreams and not the dreams of there selfish parents and coaches. I would encourage children and adults to attend traditional martial arts school where they are taught the princibles of a good attitude, good behaviour, confidence and discipline.

Absolutely disgracefull how can parents allow there child to participate in this brutality. I felt for the young girl who was was very distressed going into the ring. A young child should be encouraged to fullfill there own dreams and not the selfiish dreams of there parents and coaches. I would encourage parents to send there children to traditional martial arts schools where they learn a good attitude, good behaviour, good manners and confidence.

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Henzah

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Sorry suddenly I see it! there is as much risk for my child getting injured swimming as being knocked about in a ring (cage) guess those of us who think its disgraceful to subject very young children to this amount of violence are wrapping them in cotten wool Swimming boxing really quite similar!!!!!!!!

Yeh I think you are losing track of the point there...

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spectator1977

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who thinks this sport is bad?
i think its great and the sports persons involved are happy enough to do it so i think they should have there own choices
afterall we all choose if we get in a vehicle or not and lets have it right cars are more dangerous than a sport such as this????
theyre 5 and 9 year old children not dogs!!!

yes i said in my other post that i aggree the age problem i think like other the programe did the sport no justice but had the rules been followed rightly then it would of been a fair fight against two oponents who choose to compete and they do enjoy it , do your kids have a chosen sport???

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Angelmouse2028

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Sorry suddenly I see it! there is as much risk for my child getting injured swimming as being knocked about in a ring (cage) guess those of us who think its disgraceful to subject very young children to this amount of violence are wrapping them in cotten wool Swimming boxing really quite similar!!!!!!!!
Yeh I think you are losing track of the point there...

yeah I must be I mean for a minute there I almost thought it was wrong to put two children in a cage and watch them try to knock each other out Silly me!!!

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spectator1977

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Originally posted by spectator1977:
who thinks this sport is bad?
i think its great and the sports persons involved are happy enough to do it so i think they should have there own choices
afterall we all choose if we get in a vehicle or not and lets have it right cars are more dangerous than a sport such as this????
theyre 5 and 9 year old children not dogs!!!

yes i said in my other post that i aggree the age problem i think like other the programe did the sport no justice but had the rules been followed rightly then it would of been a fair fight against two oponents who choose to compete and they do enjoy it , do your kids have a chosen sport???

yea and i guess if your child is to suceed as a spost contender then they need to start at a young age to be gaining the experience

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Henzah

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Originally posted by Angelmouse2028:Silly me!!!

Haha... Mmmm!

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At the end of the day, this was an eyeopener to show us parents who live their lievs through their kids by pressuring them into thei chosen sports.

Becasue of its nature, combat arts shock people who dont know about them enough to understand how safe they are now.

If this program had used a middle class family and athletics for example everyone would have mentioned the fact that it was rather bad, but hopefully we'll get a gold medal at the olympics one day! And its good to see kids getting fit and healthy to combat the obesity problem.

If you want something to maon about, have a go at the parents who stuff their kids full of calories everyday with processed food because they're too self absorbed with work and themselves to cook a meal!

I saw one woman say she didnt have time to feed her family because she was too busy so made microwave meals for everyone! 5 in a family which equals around 25 min cooking time. It takes 10 min to cook pasta!

Moan about that instead!

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cgs

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