The Qur'an tells us a lot of wonderful things about Jesus. As a result, believers in the Qur'an love Jesus, honour him, and believe in him. In fact, no Muslim can be a Muslim unless he or she believes in Jesus, on whom be peace.
The Qur'an says that Jesus was born of a virgin, that he spoke while he was still only a baby, that he healed the blind and the leper by God's leave, and that he raised the dead by God's leave.
What then is the significance of these miracles? First, the virgin birth. God demonstrates his power to create in every way. God created everyone we know from a man and a woman. But how about Adam, on whom be peace? God created him from neither a man nor a woman. And Eve from only a man, but not a woman. And, finally, to complete the picture, God created Jesus from a woman, but not a man.
What about the other miracles? These were to show that Jesus was not acting on his own behalf, but that he was backed by God. The Qur'an specifies that these miracles were performed by God's leave. This may be compared to the Book of Acts in the Bible, chapter 2, verse 22, where it says that the miracles were done by God to show that he approved of Jesus. Also, note that Jesus himself is recorded in the Gospel of John to have said, "I can do nothing of my own authority" (5:30). The miracles, therefore, were done not by his own authority, but by God's authority.
What did Jesus teach? The Qur'an tells us that Jesus came to teach the same basic message which was taught by previous prophets from God—that we must shun every false god and worship only the one true God. Jesus taught that he is the servant and messenger of that one true God, the God of Abraham. These Quranic teachings can be compared with the Bible ( Mark 10:18; Matthew 26:39; John 14:28, 17:3, and 20:17) where Jesus teaches that the one he worshipped is the only true God. See also Matthew 12:18; Acts 3:13, and 4:27 where we find that his disciples knew him as Servant of God.
The Qur'an tells us that some of the Israelites rejected Jesus, and conspired to kill him, but Allah (God) rescued Jesus and raised him to Himself. Allah will cause Jesus to descend again, at which time Jesus will confirm his true teachings and everyone will believe in him as he is and as the Qur'an teaches about him.
Jesus is the Messiah. He is a word from Allah, and a spirit from Him. He is honoured in this world and in the hereafter, and he is one of those brought nearest to Allah.
Jesus was a man who spoke the truth which he heard from God. This can be compared with the Gospel According to John where Jesus says to the Israelites: "You are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God" (John 8:40). _________________ "Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching and reason with them in the best manners possible" (Holy Quran: Sura Al-Nahl 16, Ayah 125)
"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching and reason with them in the best manners possible" Holy Quran (Sura Al-Nahl 16, Ayah 125)
Can anyone in the forum give me ONE verse where Jesus (Peace be upon him) says with his own lips i am god or Worship me, i want Jesus's words not someone elses words or interpretation. JUST JESUS's (pbuh) WORDS
"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching and reason with them in the best manners possible" Holy Quran (Sura Al-Nahl 16, Ayah 125)
Originally posted by WaheedM: Can anyone in the forum give me ONE verse where Jesus (Peace be upon him) says with his own lips i am god or Worship me, i want Jesus's words not someone elses words or interpretation. JUST JESUS's (pbuh) WORDS
No reply yet to my statement above
"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching and reason with them in the best manners possible" Holy Quran (Sura Al-Nahl 16, Ayah 125)
Really interesting to read about what the Qur'an says about jesus. What I (many) dont understand is how Muslims and Christians at at such odds with each other, when so much of what each believes is the same. I understand that Muslims do not believe that He was the Son of God, as Christians do, but a lot of what we both believe is the same, yet in reality both are so different
Originally posted by WaheedM:No reply yet to my statement above
Thats because he didn't say it
In fact I think he would be horrified if he was able to see how he is portrayed today by some.
What is Islam saying that is so Horrifying? please quote from the Holy Quran.
look foward to your reply
"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching and reason with them in the best manners possible" Holy Quran (Sura Al-Nahl 16, Ayah 125)
Originally posted by WaheedM:What is Islam saying that is so Horrifying? please quote from the Holy Quran.
Hello Waheed Who said anything about the Koran or Islam? It’s the concept of the resurrection taken literally, the fact that he is considered divine by some, these are some of the concepts that I think HE would find horrifying. And rather than quote from the Koran perhaps you won’t mind me quoting yourself.
“The Qur'an says that Jesus was born of a virgin, that he spoke while he was still only a baby, that he healed the blind and the leper by God's leave, and that he raised the dead by God's leave”.
While these may not seem horrifying to some, I’m not so sure Jesus would be so impressed.
My personal belief (and that’s all it is, as I too have no “evidence” to back it) is that, if he did exist, he was a mortal man. No doubt very influential. But; Not born of a virgin as we understand the term today. Not divine. Not raised from literal death. The miracles attributed to him have been explained by some as symbolic or representative of more feasible events that I personally am more inclined to accept.
Please don’t take any of my comments personally. I have no problem with others having their beliefs, however different they may be. I am just voicing mine too.
Originally posted by WaheedM: Can anyone in the forum give me ONE verse where Jesus (Peace be upon him) says with his own lips i am god or Worship me, i want Jesus's words not someone elses words or interpretation. JUST JESUS's (pbuh) WORDS
No reply yet to my statement above
Hi Waheedm, Jesus never ever claimed to be God and there are many verses in the Bible where he uses words to show that he is subject to God who he refers to as his Father (the word father means life-giver)The Bible states the Jesus was Gods first creation and then thru him all things came into being. Unfortunately back in history Christianity became corrupted and the Trinity dogma was introduced which falsely states that there is the Father (God) the Son and also the third person of the trinity The Holy Ghost. All three are different persons, but to put it simply they are all part of the ONE God. Ridiculous I admit. However many Christians do not accept such pagan dogma. I know you are not a Christian, nevertheless I wish you a happy Christmas
Unfortunately back in history Christianity became corrupted and the Trinity dogma was introduced which falsely states that there is the Father (God) the Son and also the third person of the trinity The Holy Ghost. All three are different persons, but to put it simply they are all part of the ONE God. Ridiculous I admit. However many Christians do not accept such pagan dogma. I know you are not a Christian, nevertheless I wish you a happy Christmas
I hate to enlighten you boston but why shouldn't god be able to split him self into three he is powerful enough to do it isn't he . In case you didn't realise god works to his own timesheet and just because you feel unable to believe that important fact. Also another thing i just wanted to point out to you is that how can christianity have been corrupted when all books in the bible were written within 600 years of jesus's death. I can also tell you that it has not changed in all those years as i am able to read a greek bible out and it says the same as a king james version bible. another point is that Nowhere in the bible does it say that jesus was god's first creation it actually says in genesis chapter 31 verse 26 Then God said, "and now we will make human beings; they will be like us and resemble us. they will have power over the fish, the birds, and all animals, domestic and wild, large and small.
Originally posted by Boston: Hi Waheedm, Jesus never ever claimed to be God and there are many verses in the Bible where he uses words to show that he is subject to God who he refers to as his Father (the word father means life-giver)The Bible states the Jesus was Gods first creation and then thru him all things came into being.
Nope, the bible does'nt state that at all. Jesus was the son of God sent down to earth to save humanity, to preach love and understanding, to understand your enemies and turn the other cheek etc. Gods first creation was Adam, then Eve.
I don't find a lot in the New Testament that cannot be explained today science has leapt ahead, who knows, one day we will send our own gods out there to build planets, humans are gods on this planet now.
Originally posted by Slunky: [QUOTE]I hate to enlighten you boston but why shouldn't god be able to split him self into three he is powerful enough to do it isn't he . In case you didn't realise god works to his own timesheet and just because you feel unable to believe that important fact. Also another thing i just wanted to point out to you is that how can christianity have been corrupted when all books in the bible were written within 600 years of jesus's death. .
Sorry Slunky, but I don't see how this either enlightens or proves anything. How god chooses to behave is irrelevent unless you have proof he exists, which you don't. As for corruption of the bible, try reading "Lost Christianities" by Bart Erhman. You will find that there were just as many, if not more so, "corruptions" of the scriptures in the first 300 years AD. But even if there wasn't, why should the fact that all books were written within 600 years of Jesus death prevent them from being corrupted?
I dont think you can take the bible as an exact representation of what happened, mainly due to it being written approx 200 years after the death of Jesus, and due to Orthodoxy, the editing that occured to remove whole books that contained even one line that went 'against what they were already teaching', personally i would think that the removed content would be the most interesting.
Because of the context ( and the people that actualy bring the story )of the old testament, it can be worked out that the jewish predecessors were the children of Abel, the hunter gatherers ( and Animists ), that were slain and forced out of their land by the agriculturists ( Cain)due to the over production of their food supply, which any biologist will tell you that 'any species population rises and falls in direct relation to the availablity of its food supply',leading to an increase in population, and this population rise constantly chasing the ever increasing food supply as more and more land became cleared and needed for the unlimited growth it was experiencing.( i refer to 'our' style of agriculture, which is 'all our food', which is 'more', and with exclusion to man and mans food. There are many other styles of agriculture in relation to our 'to the max' approach , and with limited biological matter on the planet is it no wonder we are loosing other species to make room for us and our food?.)
For if the Jewish people were Cains decendants instead, the story of Cain and Abel would be something different, and would have been a story of need, not greed.
Now with this knowledge , and the story that agriculture is in fact unneccesary but assimilated into the agricultural ethos , misinterpretede by the agriculturists as thinking they were inherently flawed, was exiled form Gods grace ( why we are the scourge,) , something that the agriculturists did not want its people to know, ( for at that time the agriculturists needed to enforce the idea that mankind was naturaly 'born into agriculture and civilisation ), which in reality he wasnt. Which can explain why the Jewish people were persecuted for so long ( before Jesus), for this knowledge that the initial foundation of the agricultturist way of life was 'flawed' and wrong could be the most dangerous 'idea' to their(our) way of life. Around the time of Jesus, the Jewish people were only just starting to become assimilated into the agriculturist vision, and in turn it can be deduced that any rebellious members reminding people that the agriculturist ( control the earth ) way of life is the mistake would be regarded as a troublesome rebel against the system.
It also makes sense that Jesus would have studied the early testament and read this story of Cain and Abel, and would have noticed this 'flaw' in the foundation of the agriculturist culture from the outset, and with time alone in the desert, ( 'The Wild' as the agriculturists call it, but anthropologists would call 'tranquility' ) studying the 'Wild- Life' would have noticed that it is in fact 'tranquility', he would also have noticed 'The Law of Life' that 'EVERY' creature apart from the agriculturist culture follows, which is 'Compete to the full extent of your abilities , but do not wage war or wipe out your competitors, while only taking what u need,'. ( Its hard to put something in words thats so simple that even the slug can see, but also the tiger.)
Animism was also the religion of 'ALL' mankind before he started agriculture, ( different styles but same vision ), for millions of years, it evolved with man from the first slime, it combines religion, science and laws of life all together as one, and it can be read by every living creature.
The idea that we are the scourge, or inherently flawed, a mistake, is not shared by non agricultural cultures.
Im guessing Jesus may have been an Animist, and may have infact been teaching a way of life that doesnt involve mankinds 'control the world' approach, so that even down to our food supply we left things 'in the hands of the gods'.
Im guessing Jesus may have been an Animist, and may have infact been teaching a way of life that doesnt involve mankinds 'control the world' approach, so that even down to our food supply we left things 'in the hands of the gods'.
Jesus is a Jew, during his earthly life he practised Judaism:
1.He adhered to the principles of the Jewish faith; a belief in God, the Creator of the universe who presides over evil and good; prayers to this God, the Father who is in heaven
2. Adherence to a national Jewish pride, the doctrine of the elected people; acknowledgment of the Torah and the words of the prophets as the authoritative Divine truth.
3. On controversial issues concerning religious principles, he adopted the Pharisaic stand; an acceptance of the oral tradition as formulated in the academies; a belief in reward and punishment; the belief in resurrection and in the doctrine that the whole creation is under Divine care.
4. He also observed Judaic precepts. He wore a cftan with the prescribed fringes (tzit-tzit).
5. At meal time, he followed the religious procedure: a blessing over the meal, the breaking of the loaves followed by the distribution of food. He even insisted on seating in groups during the meal as the custom prevailed.
6. He attended synagogue services on the Sabbath and participated in the reading of the Scriptures. He abided by the laws of the Sabbath, entering the city boundaries before sunset in order not to transgress the rule of Techim (a prohibition against trespassing the city limits, a distance of 2000 cubits) and waiting the expiration of the holy day before proceeding with physical undertakings.
7. He observed festivals of the liturgical year, joining the masses on the annual pilgrimages. During the Passover night (according to the Gospels) he proceeded in accordance with the prescribed order of the Paschal meal. First he prepared a place for the feast where he can be counted as the member of the group. On the night of the feast he began with the sacramental wine - this sign symbolizes the start of a holy day. Then he continued with the dipping in the dish, the breaking of the bread and its distribution, the blessing over the wine after the meal and concluded with the recital of Hallel (the Psalms of praise).
8. He also adhered to the priestly regulations. On one occasion he ordered the leper whom he had just cleansed to present himself to a priest - so the priest could affirm his state of cleanliness - and to bring the prescribed offering. On another occasion he asked his disciple, Peter, to deliver the annual payment due the Temple treasury.
yes i have, but those things you mention i could say the same about me being a christian when i was young, i went to church, was confirmed, said grace, went to see the pope, said my stuff to priests in confessionals, stood up in front of my class and said i believed in god and read the bible out, while all the time thiking ' im an athiest' this is peer pressure , a religous school and religous surroundings, ill play it thru to avoid trouble, i thnk that could happen to anyone. To me ( IMHO ) it looks like Jesus looking back to the Jewish roots, before even the old testament was written and just word of mouth, but thats just the way it looks to me.
One thingJesus is said to have refused is to share the sacrificial lamb. It has been suggested by some that this would indicate he had a vegetarian diet as meat was usually the result of a sacrifice for the jews ??
Also, in view of the fact most scholars & historians are in agreement that Jesus was a jewand wanted the law to be followed to the letter, it is a bit strange that christianity has followed the Pauline route of NOT following the law to the letter i.e. cirmumcision etc. yet still claiming to follow the teachings of Jesus.
Originally posted by Greenjack: One thingJesus is said to have refused is to share the sacrificial lamb. It has been suggested by some that this would indicate he had a vegetarian diet as meat was usually the result of a sacrifice for the jews ??
Also, in view of the fact most scholars & historians are in agreement that Jesus was a jewand wanted the law to be followed to the letter, it is a bit strange that christianity has followed the Pauline route of NOT following the law to the letter i.e. cirmumcision etc. yet still claiming to follow the teachings of Jesus.
Where does it say that he was vegetarian?
The Bible says that the Lord Jesus was the fulfiment of the Law, and that believers are no longer under the law but under grace.
Originally posted by I_am_B: yes i have, but those things you mention i could say the same about me being a christian when i was young, i went to church, was confirmed, said grace, went to see the pope, said my stuff to priests in confessionals, stood up in front of my class and said i believed in god and read the bible out, while all the time thiking ' im an athiest' this is peer pressure , a religous school and religous surroundings, ill play it thru to avoid trouble, i thnk that could happen to anyone. To me ( IMHO ) it looks like Jesus looking back to the Jewish roots, before even the old testament was written and just word of mouth, but thats just the way it looks to me.
Did you understand all those things you were doing whilst you were a child?
The Bible tells us that when Jesus was just 12 years old he was at the Temple. Luke 2:47 tells us that: Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers." Doesn't sound like someone with no understanding, does it?
Originally posted by Greenjack: It has been suggested by some that this would indicate he had a vegetarian diet.
Where does it say that he was vegetarian? .
Read my post again. Note it says "suggested by some". This was a view held by the early Ebionites and subsequently quoted by Epiphanius of Salamis, Bishop of Cyprus.
Don't forget, there are more scriptures than those found in the bible.
Originally posted by angelkittycat: The Bible says that the Lord Jesus was the fulfiment of the Law, and that believers are no longer under the law but under grace.
But Jesus says (Matthew 5, 17-20) "5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 5:19 Whosoever therefore
