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quote: Originally posted by easy rider: quote: Originally posted by bdbcks:
they look like bullet holes weeping blood.
very apt .............. the poppy symbolises the blood shed. I've never looked at it in that way but you're quite right.
in the glory of eternity do the dead look down on us all and think to themselves why don't the living ever learn? |
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quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy:
I always getonbe and will do so again this year. And a red one rather than a white one. Because I recognise that whilst war is always ugly it is occasionally necessary. (The war in Iraq being an ugly and unfortunately not isolated exception).
The way our soldiers are treated after war is suickeningly bad.
The White Poppy symbolises the belief that there are better ways to resolve conflicts than killing strangers. Our work, primarily educational, draws attention to many of our social values and habits which make continuing violence a likely outcome. From economic reliance on arms sales (Britain is the world's second largest arms exporter) to maintaining manifestly useless nuclear weapons Britain contributes significantly to international instability. The outcome of the recent military adventures highlights their ineffectiveness in today's complex world. Now 89 years after the end of the ‘war to end all wars’ we still have a long way to go to put an end to a social institution, which in the last decade alone killed over 10 million children. Sorry couldnt let that one get by. |
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quote: The White Poppy symbolises the belief that there are better ways to resolve conflicts than killing strangers
What do you think the red poppy is? A declaration of war? |
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quote: Originally posted by Ramala: quote: The White Poppy symbolises the belief that there are better ways to resolve conflicts than killing strangers
What do you think the red poppy is? A declaration of war?
The Common Red Poppy, growing in fields and waste places, has petals of a rich scarlet colour when fresh, and is often nearly black at the base. They have the peculiar heavy odour of opium when fresh, but becomes scentless on drying. There are several varieties, differing in the size of the lobes of the leaves and in the character of the fruit, which may be nearly cylindrical or globular, smooth or furnished with stiff hairs. The intensity of the scarlet colouring of the petals also varies. The fresh petals are used for preparing a syrup. The Red Poppy with petals having a dark spot at the base makes the deepest-coloured syrup; that with the oblong capsule should not be used, as it contains an alkaloid resembling Thebaine in action. The petals find a steady, though limited market, but must be collected in large quantities, by an organized band of collectors, to be of any use. Farmers might arrange to deliver the fresh petals to manufacturers. They can be collected by children in small muslin bags suspended from the neck, so that both hands are left free for gathering. The petals should not be taken out of the bags, but packed in them, among straw, and sent off the same day as collected, before they fade or lose their bright colour. All the collecting should be done in dry weather, and all handling possible should be avoided. Although in this country the Field Poppy is only regarded as a weed, and only a limited amount of the petals are used, it is cultivated in Flanders and several parts of Germany for the sake of its seeds, which are not only used in cakes, but from which an excellent oil is made, used as a substitute for olive oil. The foliage is said to have been used as a vegetable, and the syrup prepared from the petals has been employed as an ingredient in soups and gruels. Attempts have also been made to utilize the brilliant red of the petals as a dye, but the colour has proved too fugitive to be of use. The syrup has, however, been used as a colouring matter for old ink. Hope that helps though I am a little out of breath I must say.  |
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It doesn't I'm afraid. Sorry.
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That's okay apology accepted.  |
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quote: Originally posted by MRTIBBS.: quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy:
I always getonbe and will do so again this year. And a red one rather than a white one. Because I recognise that whilst war is always ugly it is occasionally necessary. (The war in Iraq being an ugly and unfortunately not isolated exception).
The way our soldiers are treated after war is suickeningly bad.
The White Poppy symbolises the belief that there are better ways to resolve conflicts than killing strangers. Our work, primarily educational, draws attention to many of our social values and habits which make continuing violence a likely outcome. From economic reliance on arms sales (Britain is the world's second largest arms exporter) to maintaining manifestly useless nuclear weapons Britain contributes significantly to international instability. The outcome of the recent military adventures highlights their ineffectiveness in today's complex world. Now 89 years after the end of the ‘war to end all wars’ we still have a long way to go to put an end to a social institution, which in the last decade alone killed over 10 million children. Sorry couldnt let that one get by.
I know what the white popy represents. i just don;tn agree with it. I am yet to ever hear anyone convincinglky argue that Hitler and the Japanese Emperor could have been stopped by any other means than war. |
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Charmed I'm sure.
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quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy: quote: Originally posted by MRTIBBS.: quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy:
I always getonbe and will do so again this year. And a red one rather than a white one. Because I recognise that whilst war is always ugly it is occasionally necessary. (The war in Iraq being an ugly and unfortunately not isolated exception).
The way our soldiers are treated after war is suickeningly bad.
The White Poppy symbolises the belief that there are better ways to resolve conflicts than killing strangers. Our work, primarily educational, draws attention to many of our social values and habits which make continuing violence a likely outcome. From economic reliance on arms sales (Britain is the world's second largest arms exporter) to maintaining manifestly useless nuclear weapons Britain contributes significantly to international instability. The outcome of the recent military adventures highlights their ineffectiveness in today's complex world. Now 89 years after the end of the ‘war to end all wars’ we still have a long way to go to put an end to a social institution, which in the last decade alone killed over 10 million children. Sorry couldnt let that one get by.
I know what the white popy represents. i just don;tn agree with it. I am yet to ever hear anyone convincinglky argue that Hitler and the Japanese Emperor could have been stopped by any other means than war.
I wouldnt suggest to you otherwise, rather your looking back whereas I am looking forward, it is really as simple as that for me. |
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quote: Originally posted by Ramala:
Charmed I'm sure.
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Oooh were still up.
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quote: Originally posted by easy rider: quote: Originally posted by rothgar:
I am reduced to asking a neighbour for a pin!
I'm sure there used to be pins with the poppy, and with no button holes on my coat, studs instead, life gets very complicated.
My poppy came with a pin. I've never yet bought a poppy without a pin.
I withdraw my post unreservedly. I saw the elderly seller this morning and she has cards of pins. I should have asked for a pin. But I agree the quality is not what it used to be. And there used to be a choice - simple to very decorative. |
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quote: Originally posted by NWK:
Poppies were made by disabled people in the RBLI (Royal British Legion Institute).
The poppies themselves represented the Haig Foundation, a charity set up by Lord Haig, to help, assist and support WW1 Veterans who suffered disability and poverty after The Great War.
The whole point of the poppy is to "remember"...Those that gave their lives for their Country...at a time when that Country did s0d all for them!!!
When I wear my poppy, in the run-up to Remembrance Sunday...I just think of the wasted lives and the true futility of war. 2 years ago, I did my pilgramage to the Battlefields of France...and it left me cold!
Remembering how millions of working people went to their deaths...For a Country that allows a Royal Mail Executive gets a bonus of £1.8m after the Company presides over losses that range into millions.
A person born in 1900, would live to see a War that destroyed a generation...live to see a Government shrink from its "Land fit for heroes"...then undergo a recession, in which welfare was placed in the hands of charity - and yep...The Work House's were still in place...Then another War, but this time, the promise of a fairer deal for ordinary people was promised in the fight against fascism.
The Welfare System ..a foundation stone on which to build the New Jerusalem...then suffered the usual cuts/cut-backs/pragmatic management that snuffed out the idealism of a Country truly marching to the hills of progress, where poverty could be expelled from a Nations memory.
Yeah...The last rites were presided over that welfare system with the victory of Thatcherism, that has planted the ever growing crop of greed, resentment, poverty and inequality that we still linger on in our own times.
Yep..Wear your poppy with pride...Wear it as successive generations have smashed and obliterated the sacrifice that those (Majority) Working class men made, as they emerged from their Industrial hovels to make World "Safe For Democracy"...Sacrificed - Not for a better World...but for a World, where working people are still a mere after-thought. Yep...I remember and I will continue to do so, and it certainly doesn't take the quality or workmanship of a poppy to do it!!!
you seem to be deluded.... the dead of the WorldWars were not just working class Brits you know.......... if wearing the poppy is just commemorating working class Brits, there's another reason NOT to buy one The Poppy as part of the Class War!!! no thanks..... I cannot wear one these days in case anybody might just mistake the wearing of one for any support at all for our Armed Forces daft current escapades I'll remember the dead of the past, in private, where nobody can mistake exactly what I'm commemorating. Shame really, getting the current campaigns mixed up with those of World War 1 & 2..... |
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most people on the telly are wearing them. Going to get mine today.
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quote: Originally posted by MRTIBBS.: quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy: quote: Originally posted by MRTIBBS.: quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy:
I always getonbe and will do so again this year. And a red one rather than a white one. Because I recognise that whilst war is always ugly it is occasionally necessary. (The war in Iraq being an ugly and unfortunately not isolated exception).
The way our soldiers are treated after war is suickeningly bad.
The White Poppy symbolises the belief that there are better ways to resolve conflicts than killing strangers. Our work, primarily educational, draws attention to many of our social values and habits which make continuing violence a likely outcome. From economic reliance on arms sales (Britain is the world's second largest arms exporter) to maintaining manifestly useless nuclear weapons Britain contributes significantly to international instability. The outcome of the recent military adventures highlights their ineffectiveness in today's complex world. Now 89 years after the end of the ‘war to end all wars’ we still have a long way to go to put an end to a social institution, which in the last decade alone killed over 10 million children. Sorry couldnt let that one get by.
I know what the white popy represents. i just don;tn agree with it. I am yet to ever hear anyone convincinglky argue that Hitler and the Japanese Emperor could have been stopped by any other means than war.
I wouldnt suggest to you otherwise, rather your looking back whereas I am looking forward, it is really as simple as that for me.
I disagree that I am looking bckwards simply because I am using an example from the past. I am sure there are tons of examples fom the present. I believe, and I am sorry to believe it, that because of certain circumstances etc in the future war will again be the only option. |
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quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy: quote: Originally posted by MRTIBBS.: quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy: quote: Originally posted by MRTIBBS.: quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy:
I always getonbe and will do so again this year. And a red one rather than a white one. Because I recognise that whilst war is always ugly it is occasionally necessary. (The war in Iraq being an ugly and unfortunately not isolated exception).
The way our soldiers are treated after war is suickeningly bad.
The White Poppy symbolises the belief that there are better ways to resolve conflicts than killing strangers. Our work, primarily educational, draws attention to many of our social values and habits which make continuing violence a likely outcome. From economic reliance on arms sales (Britain is the world's second largest arms exporter) to maintaining manifestly useless nuclear weapons Britain contributes significantly to international instability. The outcome of the recent military adventures highlights their ineffectiveness in today's complex world. Now 89 years after the end of the ‘war to end all wars’ we still have a long way to go to put an end to a social institution, which in the last decade alone killed over 10 million children. Sorry couldnt let that one get by.
I know what the white popy represents. i just don;tn agree with it. I am yet to ever hear anyone convincinglky argue that Hitler and the Japanese Emperor could have been stopped by any other means than war.
I wouldnt suggest to you otherwise, rather your looking back whereas I am looking forward, it is really as simple as that for me.
I disagree that I am looking bckwards simply because I am using an example from the past. I am sure there are tons of examples fom the present. I believe, and I am sorry to believe it, that because of certain circumstances etc in the future war will again be the only option.
What are you wearing it for if your not looking back at the past you mentioned Hitler etc. I didnt mention present rather future. I dont think its wrong in looking to the past and remember those that have fallen by the way. |
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quote: Originally posted by MRTIBBS.: quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy: quote: Originally posted by MRTIBBS.: quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy: quote: Originally posted by MRTIBBS.:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ewellguy:
I always getonbe and will do so again this year. And a red one rather than a white one. Because I recognise that whilst war is always ugly it is occasionally necessary. (The war in Iraq being an ugly and unfortunately not isolated exception).
The way our soldiers are treated after war is suickeningly bad.
The White Poppy symbolises the belief that there are better ways to resolve conflicts than killing strangers. Our work, primarily educational, draws attention to many of our social values and habits which make continuing violence a likely outcome. From economic reliance on arms sales (Britain is the world's second largest arms exporter) to maintaining manifestly useless nuclear weapons Britain contributes significantly to international instability. The outcome of the recent military adventures highlights their ineffectiveness in today's complex world. Now 89 years after the end of the ‘war to end all wars’ we still have a long way to go to put an end to a social institution, which in the last decade alone killed over 10 million children. Sorry couldnt let that one get by.
I know what the white popy represents. i just don;tn agree with it. I am yet to ever hear anyone convincinglky argue that Hitler and the Japanese Emperor could have been stopped by any other means than war.
I wouldnt suggest to you otherwise, rather your looking back whereas I am looking forward, it is really as simple as that for me.
I disagree that I am looking bckwards simply because I am using an example from the past. I am sure there are tons of examples fom the present. I believe, and I am sorry to believe it, that because of certain circumstances etc in the future war will again be the only option.
AMMENDED POST.What are you wearing it for if your not looking back at the past you mentioned Hitler etc. I didnt mention present rather I meant future. I dont think its wrong in looking to the past and remembering those that have fallen by the way. |
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quote: Originally posted by MRTIBBS.: quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy: quote: Originally posted by MRTIBBS.: quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy: quote: Originally posted by MRTIBBS.: quote: Originally posted by Ewellguy:
I always getonbe and will do so again this year. And a red one rather than a white one. Because I recognise that whilst war is always ugly it is occasionally necessary. (The war in Iraq being an ugly and unfortunately not isolated exception).
The way our soldiers are treated after war is suickeningly bad.
The White Poppy symbolises the belief that there are better ways to resolve conflicts than killing strangers. Our work, primarily educational, draws attention to many of our social values and habits which make continuing violence a likely outcome. From economic reliance on arms sales (Britain is the world's second largest arms exporter) to maintaining manifestly useless nuclear weapons Britain contributes significantly to international instability. The outcome of the recent military adventures highlights their ineffectiveness in today's complex world. Now 89 years after the end of the ‘war to end all wars’ we still have a long way to go to put an end to a social institution, which in the last decade alone killed over 10 million children. Sorry couldnt let that one get by.
I know what the white popy represents. i just don;tn agree with it. I am yet to ever hear anyone convincinglky argue that Hitler and the Japanese Emperor could have been stopped by any other means than war.
I wouldnt suggest to you otherwise, rather your looking back whereas I am looking forward, it is really as simple as that for me.
I disagree that I am looking bckwards simply because I am using an example from the past. I am sure there are tons of examples fom the present. I believe, and I am sorry to believe it, that because of certain circumstances etc in the future war will again be the only option.
What are you wearing it for if your not looking back at the past you mentioned Hitler etc. I didnt mention present rather future. I dont think its wrong in looking to the past and remember those that have fallen by the way.
What I should have said is, "I am not looking to the past" ie I am not living in the past and believe in learning from the past to create a better present and future, much like most people I would assume. I mentiuoned Hitler because it is a veyr obvious example and it was late at night and I was tired so an easy example seemed the easiest option. |
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In reality our positions are probably fairly similar. I am perhaps just less hopefu;l for the future than you.
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I guess you got to start somewhere, that said I really dont know why I bother,  it's not like I have any family to worry about when i'm gone.  |
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One thing that has heartened me in recent years is the improved observation of public silence at 11am on 11/11.
We do it at our school, and the kids observe the silence respectfully in the middle of their morning break. I am told it happens in shops & other workplaces.
I cannot remember this happening until about five years ago.
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