Were the West Midlands police under pressure from Muslims to act? However the film clips were edited, those preachers said what they said. I can think of no context in which their hate-filled utterances could be justified. 'Taken out of context' has been used as a sickening excuse for everything from belligerent quotes from the Quran to incitement to murder. If those imans in the documentary had been Neo-Nazis preaching hatred and war against Muslims, would the police still be taking that stance?
Or are we now kow-towing to every demand from a certain minority group in the UK?
Following the intervention by West Midlands police and the CPS, I think it's high time that Dispatches did a programme on the police and the way they have become politicised and too big for their boots in recent years. Remember how the BBC lost its two top people because Alistair Campbell ranted and raved and threw his toys out of the pram over a story by Andrew Gilligan that was essentially correct? If you don't stand up to bullies, welcome to the concentration camp! The Observer newspaper is already talking of Kafkaesque symptoms here in Britain.
“If”, the reported incidents of incitement to racial, sexual or religious prejudice, and of plotting treason were essentially presented correctly, surely some action should be taken against those who perpetrate these acts. As far as I’m aware, no legal action has been taken against the Dispatches production team or Channel 4, therefore it would seem that the “incidents” of incitement to hatred and treason were accurately stated. If however the CPS still insists that the documentary was misleading, what then would it “the CPS” consider to be an act of treason or to put it another way, an act against the state? If physically assaulting someone on the grounds that “she” doesn’t wear the clothes dictated to her by male members of society isn’t considered to be assault, i.e. ABH or GBH and sexual harassment as well as being against her human rights for the freedom of expression, then what is? And finally, what then do the CPS consider to be a reasonable reason, or reasonable point at which our human rights to believe as we like, or to think freely without the constraints of religion or politics, should stop? There are more worrying factors about this whole scenario and associated documentaries that have not been explored, i.e. business and religion dictating to the law what it will or will not and should or should not do. For example the documentary about Tesco and its attitude to breaking the law regarding town planning stipulations, or anti competition or competitive behaviour in the market place, to name but a few points made that probably due to time restraints were never fully explored. The sharp practises used by developers to get what they want from county or district authorities with regard to community or affordable housing. The worrying factors are, just how much of the tail is wagging the dog? And, with big business “seemingly” “increasingly” running or dictating to government at both a local and national level, just how much is my vote worth?
I find allegations that the West Midlands Police are (politically) pandering to the Muslim community, extraordinary. There are no votes in it for the police, they (already) have the support of community leaders for rooting out violent members of the Muslim community and they are funded by the state . . . I am unaware of any Muslim donations to the West Midlands Police Benevolent Fund . . . (don't get your chequebooks out, I've made it up).
Why would the police be bias in favour of Muslims?! Especially, in todays political climate, which, is hardly pro-muslim?!
Originally posted by trustworthy: From my personal perspective i think that "Dispatches undercover Mosque" was a biased documentry. The mosque's preacher's were quoted out of context.
I love that "out of context", it's priceless!
There is NO context which excuses the sort of vile, anti-democratic, anti-human, anti homosexual, anti-British hatred that was spouted by the medieval islamist numpties in that documentary.
If you are aware of a context that would make their statements OK, then please do tell what it is.
Originally posted by trustworthy: From my personal perspective i think that "Dispatches undercover Mosque" was a biased documentry. The mosque's preacher's were quoted out of context.
I love that "out of context", it's priceless!
There is NO context which excuses the sort of vile, anti-democratic, anti-human, anti homosexual, anti-British hatred that was spouted by the medieval islamist numpties in that documentary.
If you are aware of a context that would make their statements OK, then please do tell what it is.
I can give you a very simple example of where something I say could be taken out of context:
"My Grandfather thinks that all homosexuals should be killed"
Somebody could take that out of context by simply quoting the last part of the sentence and then attributing that to me.
The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said:
"Shall I inform you of the best morals of this world and the hereafter?
They are to forgive he who oppresses you, to make a bond with he who severs from you, to be kind to he who insults you, and to give to he who deprives you."
Originally posted by trustworthy: From my personal perspective i think that "Dispatches undercover Mosque" was a biased documentry. The mosque's preacher's were quoted out of context.
I love that "out of context", it's priceless!
There is NO context which excuses the sort of vile, anti-democratic, anti-human, anti homosexual, anti-British hatred that was spouted by the medieval islamist numpties in that documentary.
If you are aware of a context that would make their statements OK, then please do tell what it is.
I can give you a very simple example of where something I say could be taken out of context:
"My Grandfather thinks that all homosexuals should be killed"
Somebody could take that out of context by simply quoting the last part of the sentence and then attributing that to me.
But then people could say that your grandfather thinks that
quote:
all homosexuals should be killed"
And find that equally abhorrent and if he said it to me I would call him out for being a bigot. Rather than trying to defend any sentence that ends in
Originally posted by trustworthy: From my personal perspective i think that "Dispatches undercover Mosque" was a biased documentry. The mosque's preacher's were quoted out of context.
I love that "out of context", it's priceless!
There is NO context which excuses the sort of vile, anti-democratic, anti-human, anti homosexual, anti-British hatred that was spouted by the medieval islamist numpties in that documentary.
If you are aware of a context that would make their statements OK, then please do tell what it is.
I can give you a very simple example of where something I say could be taken out of context:
"My Grandfather thinks that all homosexuals should be killed"
Somebody could take that out of context by simply quoting the last part of the sentence and then attributing that to me.
But then people could say that your grandfather thinks that
quote:
all homosexuals should be killed"
And find that equally abhorrent and if he said it to me I would call him out for being a bigot. Rather than trying to defend any sentence that ends in
quote:
all homosexuals should be killed"
Nic
John says "I think there is too much homophobia in the world". Paul says "I know, even My Grandfather thinks that all homosexuals should be killed - I argued about it but he was unrepentant".
Paul said "all homosexuals should be killed" Paul said in context that his grand-dad thinks horrible things.
Originally posted by trustworthy: From my personal perspective i think that "Dispatches undercover Mosque" was a biased documentry. The mosque's preacher's were quoted out of context.
I totally agree!!!! Surely they must have heard a great load of good... he power of the media eh?? amazing!!! ...
Originally posted by trustworthy: From my personal perspective i think that "Dispatches undercover Mosque" was a biased documentry. The mosque's preacher's were quoted out of context.
I love that "out of context", it's priceless!
There is NO context which excuses the sort of vile, anti-democratic, anti-human, anti homosexual, anti-British hatred that was spouted by the medieval islamist numpties in that documentary.
If you are aware of a context that would make their statements OK, then please do tell what it is.
I can give you a very simple example of where something I say could be taken out of context:
"My Grandfather thinks that all homosexuals should be killed"
Somebody could take that out of context by simply quoting the last part of the sentence and then attributing that to me.
But then people could say that your grandfather thinks that
quote:
all homosexuals should be killed"
And find that equally abhorrent and if he said it to me I would call him out for being a bigot. Rather than trying to defend any sentence that ends in
quote:
all homosexuals should be killed"
Nic
John says "I think there is too much homophobia in the world". Paul says "I know, even My Grandfather thinks that all homosexuals should be killed - I argued about it but he was unrepentant".
Paul said "all homosexuals should be killed" Paul said in context that his grand-dad thinks horrible things.
I would like to see the police investigate those preachers in the programme and then tried if any crime was commited.
If found guilty of any crime they should serve their time inside after this they should be taken to the airport to be sent back to their country of origin.
i suppose the real question is why wont the production team/dispatches/channel 4 release all of the filmed evidence in its entirety to the general public to sustain its claim that the programme was not in fact distorting the comments made by certain clerics.
surely the holistic approach would answer everyones questions from the very limited apology the police have given to the claims of no distortion made by the production team and channel4.
Originally posted by wendymann: i suppose the real question is why wont the production team/dispatches/channel 4 release all of the filmed evidence in its entirety to the general public to sustain its claim that the programme was not in fact distorting the comments made by certain clerics.
surely the holistic approach would answer everyones questions from the very limited apology the police have given to the claims of no distortion made by the production team and channel4.
I agree.
The police have seen the full transcripts and footage taken, so have the cps and if, as the clerics say, they were "misquoted".
Do you notice though that the cps and police and offcom do not agree with this claim? So why not show them.
Originally posted by wendymann: i suppose the real question is why wont the production team/dispatches/channel 4 release all of the filmed evidence in its entirety to the general public to sustain its claim that the programme was not in fact distorting the comments made by certain clerics.
surely the holistic approach would answer everyones questions from the very limited apology the police have given to the claims of no distortion made by the production team and channel4.
I agree.
The police have seen the full transcripts and footage taken, so have the cps and if, as the clerics say, they were "misquoted".
Do you notice though that the cps and police and offcom do not agree with this claim? So why not show them.
Nic
The police agreed. the CPS said there was no criminal acticity. And ofcom said a documentery can do what it likes.
It's hardly the vindication Channel 4 likes to make out!
Originally posted by wendymann: i suppose the real question is why wont the production team/dispatches/channel 4 release all of the filmed evidence in its entirety to the general public to sustain its claim that the programme was not in fact distorting the comments made by certain clerics.
surely the holistic approach would answer everyones questions from the very limited apology the police have given to the claims of no distortion made by the production team and channel4.
I agree.
The police have seen the full transcripts and footage taken, so have the cps and if, as the clerics say, they were "misquoted".
Do you notice though that the cps and police and offcom do not agree with this claim? So why not show them.
Nic
The police agreed. the CPS said there was no criminal acticity. And ofcom said a documentery can do what it likes.
It's hardly the vindication Channel 4 likes to make out!
or the vilification of C4 that some muslims wanted.
Because we can say that some mosques are preaching intolerance and hatred.
