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An amnesty could be good, it would then allow them to work and we could then tax their income, which in turn will be able to finance the future dole bludgers that we have in our school system
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quote: Originally posted by accidentalbrit:
An amnesty could be good, it would then allow them to work and we could then tax their income, which in turn will be able to finance the future dole bludgers that we have in our school system
NO! What other criminal acts are you going to reward with rights to state benefits, state pension, public housing etc? Say to rapists, "Just give yourselves up and we will let you off - and give you a massive big cash bonus as well". Those illegals that register will be low paid and taking more out in benefits than they give in tax. This is saying to future illegals that they may get let in and also be rewarded. |
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Ada111 "Besides why should a German immigrant have more rights in this country or French than a Pole?"
The European Union was created as a trading partnership. No one has ever asked us that it be anything different. There is no real reason that that should mean free movement of labour.
If Europe is to integrate and in the long term form a Political block other than just being a way of trading goods then maybe some sort of leveling of wealth is desirable or required.
However what the British government did wrong in my view was allow unlimited immigration from the new countries. The difference between France, Germany and Poland being the difference in Wealth / Poverty levels. I.e. that is the big driving force behind migration and so that has caused a lot larger migration from Poland than from say France or Germany.
What the government should have done is limited the levels. I.e. as we where the only country to allow unlimited immigration and none of the other EU members did, we ended up with everyone elses share of the migration burden. (Burden being everyone trying to share limited available housing, schools, translaters, roads conjestion, maternity wards etc).
But at the end of the day none of this is the fault of any Poles, it is the fault of mismanagement by the government (new labour), which at the end of the day is supposed to be looking after the British people.
And I appreciate that you like the other Poles comming over, but the question I have is what do you see the long term future if Europe looking like ? Lots of little enclaves of different Peoples ? What identity will you have then. Will you feel part of the Polish people ? Will you discard your Polish identity and feel European ?
The problem with the way its going at the instant is that our identities are being destroyed. So instead of the peoples of Europe controlling Europe the peoples of Europe will no longer know who they are and will be controlled by the powers that be. The ruling elites !
We are but sheeple being herded as they wish!
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I was joking, I have lived in the states when illegals have been rewarded and it didn't resolve anything, but by the same token my spouse is a legal immigrant (very expensive visa) here and is NOT entitled the the benefits you mention albeit she pays here taxes. As for low paid, well that's not strictly true, a lot of immigrants are far better educated than the monkeys we churn out, and we need their skills to help improve our skills base (spouse is a teacher, not impressed with our education system)
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I am english born, and have traced my family back generations to england, I am proud to be english, I don't agree with all this immigration, we are having our heritage taken away from us in one swoop, The point I would like to raise is that The reason majority of english people I know are very anti immigration, What has annoyed us is the fact that Not once have we been asked if this is what the true english want! we have had all this immigration pushed onto us by the government, The very people who are supposed to be working for us and looking after us! What a joke!
We (The English) DO NOT want immigrants coming in and taking our work, We DO NOT want Immigrants coming in and teaching our children different ways in schools and we most certainly DO NOT want to be told that we are not allowed to disagree with them coming!!!
I also think that there seems to be a problem also with disease and illness's, there certainly seems to be alot more 'Viruses' Than ever before, I do not remember people being so ill when I was growing up, I think that this is being overlooked too!
I do fear for my families safety and most certainly my children are not having the same childhood freedom we had as children!
Why are the government not asking us what we want??
You know why? It's because they don't want to hear the answer!
IMMIGRANTS OUT! BRING BACK 'GREAT BRITAIN!!'
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You are "English", Does that mean you want the Scottish, Welsh and Irish to leave as well as they are a huge immigrant population in ENGLAND? Or do you mean that you would like to keep LITTLE BRITAIN for the little small minded Brits? The Aussies are right, we are whingers.
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When I say I am English it is because I am proud to be English, Just like the Scots, welsh and Irish freely say who they are, I am British but I am foremost English!
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But you fail to answer the question...is England only for the English?
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I don't see what it matters when you zzz in the same language as everyone else does
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It is important. We either live harmoniously with peoples of differing origins or we totally segregate ourselves from all and sundry. If segregation is not what you desire, then you have to accept a multicultural society with immigrants coming and going, as we are free to do I hasten to add
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Britain "should" be, first & formost for "Native" British. Immigration is destroying our culture & heritage. How many Church of England establishments exist in the middle east ?
It doesn't happen, because visitors respect the native cultures & beliefs and adhere to the laws of the land as laid down by the particular country. We are being force fed foreign beliefs & religions, therefore British heritage is being diluted due a weak minded government who won't say enough is enough.
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The point Cazie was making was about the scale of immigration and the fact that no one has been consulted as to whether this is what they wanted.
Its a fairly simple, straightforward and legitimate point.
Why is it so difficult to understand?
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To Accidentalbrit, In your last post you have just stated exactly what I disagree with regarding how I should feel about this, and you are telling me that "I" have to accept this, whether I like it or not ! Again, force fed an outsiders opinion.
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I can understand the basics of your concern but please don't bring in religion, bearing in mind that less than 7% of the population go to church, and I am one of that small percentage, although not C of E (loads and loads of Catholic churches all over the world). Immigration needs to be controlled not ended otherwise we would stagnate in many ways.On that note i'm off to complete my immigration papers for the US :-)
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To Cazie. Should build a new wall along our borders? Isreal have built one, why can't we? we can then systematically remove all non-English persons (damn, this is beginning to sound Hitleresque) where do we stop after that...all non-Lancastrians/Geordies/Scousers?
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All throughout the programmes immigrants were interviewed stating that they were proud of their heritages and were keen to continue their native beliefs and pratices here in this country.
I openly said I was proud to be English, to which I then had to defend that comment.
This speaks volumes!
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quote: Originally posted by SquezedOut:
Ada111 "Besides why should a German immigrant have more rights in this country or French than a Pole?"
The European Union was created as a trading partnership. No one has ever asked us that it be anything different. There is no real reason that that should mean free movement of labour.
If Europe is to integrate and in the long term form a Political block other than just being a way of trading goods then maybe some sort of leveling of wealth is desirable or required.
However what the British government did wrong in my view was allow unlimited immigration from the new countries. The difference between France, Germany and Poland being the difference in Wealth / Poverty levels. I.e. that is the big driving force behind migration and so that has caused a lot larger migration from Poland than from say France or Germany.
What the government should have done is limited the levels. I.e. as we where the only country to allow unlimited immigration and none of the other EU members did, we ended up with everyone elses share of the migration burden. (Burden being everyone trying to share limited available housing, schools, translaters, roads conjestion, maternity wards etc).
But at the end of the day none of this is the fault of any Poles, it is the fault of mismanagement by the government (new labour), which at the end of the day is supposed to be looking after the British people.
And I appreciate that you like the other Poles comming over, but the question I have is what do you see the long term future if Europe looking like ? Lots of little enclaves of different Peoples ? What identity will you have then. Will you feel part of the Polish people ? Will you discard your Polish identity and feel European ?
The problem with the way its going at the instant is that our identities are being destroyed. So instead of the peoples of Europe controlling Europe the peoples of Europe will no longer know who they are and will be controlled by the powers that be. The ruling elites !
We are but sheeple being herded as they wish!
I do not know. Nobody can predict the future. I am just a loaf of confused soul, please stop making me want to hate my compatriots, it hurts my feelings, makes me blue, fills my heart with sorrow. I know you English tend to be emotionally unavailable but have some heart for God sake. You also like to fight , so do Poles that is a part of our identities. Mine now is Polish emigrant in Britain and will stay like this I think... What do you call London Bridge in Nevada? Is it still London Bridge?... I have pledged my allegiance to the Queen but will not join the very right wing of the British society and shout to get rid off new immigrants like some shameless posters here just because I, since becoming British am already safe, that would be equal with loosing my integrity or simply hypocritical, I do however have lots of respect to British people but do believe in the individual. I think the questions you re rising are important and at the heart of everyone who lives in multicultural society. |
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Unfortunately Cazie you happen to be discussing immigration with someone who has a spouse that is an immigrant, am i not free to marry whom i like? or if i marry outside "British" do i have to live somewhere else where mixed marriages are acceptable? as my name would suggest, i am onlt British by birth,first and foremost i am a global citizen and have learned to embrace other cultures as i have travelled the world, where i have been embraced by those of differing cultures. unless you want to move to the moon and start a new colony, you need to understand and accept others because as much as you wish, Britain is a multicultural society, and you can blame our forefathers for that, along with the government of today.
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quote: Originally posted by ada111: quote: Originally posted by SquezedOut:
Ada111 "Besides why should a German immigrant have more rights in this country or French than a Pole?"
The European Union was created as a trading partnership. No one has ever asked us that it be anything different. There is no real reason that that should mean free movement of labour.
If Europe is to integrate and in the long term form a Political block other than just being a way of trading goods then maybe some sort of leveling of wealth is desirable or required.
However what the British government did wrong in my view was allow unlimited immigration from the new countries. The difference between France, Germany and Poland being the difference in Wealth / Poverty levels. I.e. that is the big driving force behind migration and so that has caused a lot larger migration from Poland than from say France or Germany.
What the government should have done is limited the levels. I.e. as we where the only country to allow unlimited immigration and none of the other EU members did, we ended up with everyone elses share of the migration burden. (Burden being everyone trying to share limited available housing, schools, translaters, roads conjestion, maternity wards etc).
But at the end of the day none of this is the fault of any Poles, it is the fault of mismanagement by the government (new labour), which at the end of the day is supposed to be looking after the British people.
And I appreciate that you like the other Poles comming over, but the question I have is what do you see the long term future if Europe looking like ? Lots of little enclaves of different Peoples ? What identity will you have then. Will you feel part of the Polish people ? Will you discard your Polish identity and feel European ?
The problem with the way its going at the instant is that our identities are being destroyed. So instead of the peoples of Europe controlling Europe the peoples of Europe will no longer know who they are and will be controlled by the powers that be. The ruling elites !
We are but sheeple being herded as they wish!
I do not know. Nobody can predict the future. I am just a loaf of confused soul, please stop making me want to hate my compatriots, it hurts my feelings, makes me blue, fills my heart with sorrow. I know you English tend to be emotionally unavailable but have some heart for God sake. You also like to fight , so do Poles that is a part of our identities. Mine now is Polish emigrant in Britain and will stay like this I think... What do you call London Bridge in Nevada? Is it still London Bridge?... I have pledged my allegiance to the Queen but will not join the very right wing of the British society and shout to get rid off new immigrants like some shameless posters here just because I, since becoming British am already safe, that would be equal with loosing my integrity or simply hypocritical, I do however have lots of respect to British people but do believe in the individual. I think the questions you re rising are important and at the heart of everyone who lives in multicultural society.
Also would like to add that I also have a green card as one of my parents is a Polish emigrant in the USA. Now take that. It seems that for the people like myself it is only either extreme excitement and happiness of having my family spread out so nicely in such great places as London , Warsaw and LA or extreme sadness of not being able to feel permanently glued to any of the above places. |
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ada111 Currently the peoples of the world are migrating around like a game of musical chairs with he music playing. Someday the music will stop and we will have to sit down decide who we are again !
Btw its your childrens identities if they are brought up in foreign country that are most at stake. Will they be English, British, Polish, Brolish Pinglish ? Ultimatley we gain our stength and our rights in the world through our collective identities. If these are destroyed we are in the lap of the gods.
Im guessing your identities are (in no particular order ) Catholic, Christian , White, Polish, British, European, but for defence a member of Nato.
Currently the music is playing and our identities are all in a state of flux, someday the music will stop though. We all need to try to make sure we have a have a chair left to sit on.
(Btw when I say flux I mean you may think you are white and British but there are a lot of black British, so do you think they are your people ?.
You may think you are Polish, but what if Britain votes UKip and breaks off from Europe ?
You may think you are British but what if Scotland declares inependance and only the English are allowed to remain in England ?
You may think you are christian, but do you think yourself the same as say Evangelical Christians ?
In the end the destruction of our identities doesnt make us better off, just easier for the powers that be to manipulate. We become dependant on them. And when they are finished with us and can find someone cheaper, they will discard us like a used tissue !
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What an awful predicament Ada.
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quote: Originally posted by freespirit45: quote: Originally posted by an immigrant:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dansue:
HHi Dansue,
YOur question was: HOw much net contribution is made by the Polish family with 2 children who is waiting for the child benefit?
My answer would be: Exactly the same amount as the contribution made by an English person. My husband and I both work and pay the same taxes as English people do. Why can your taxes pay for your children's education but my taxes cannot pay for my chilren's education is beyond me. PLease explain.
Let me explain - 4 or 5 generations of taxes paid by my family enable me to send my child to school without the need for an interpreter. How long have you and your family been contributing to the British economy? Why should you receive child benefit, NHS or free schooling?
my feelings exactly,i have been doing my family tree and we were still living in west sussex in 1506 and i still havent finished yet...and they were probably paying taxes even then so i think us ENGLISH people are well within our rights to be voicing our opinions and waving our banners for our right of free speech that we are supposed to be able to have, |
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