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Hi do you think that this country is in the process of Europeanisation.
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Enoch Powell was 100% right. Immigration IS Britain's Funeral Pyre.
If Britains are now to be expected to pack up and leave and become immigrants ourselves in order to prove that immigration is a sound concept?
Oh dear.
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i live in herefordshire, school leaver's who do not go on to further education etc are unable to find unskilled job's as they are taken up by migrant workers, is this not an inbalance and how do they get job's locally ?
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quote: Originally posted by Bobby S.:
Very interesting three programmes.
However, I have two points to raise.
1) Where have the Africans gone? Near to where I live, in Hertfordshire, we used to have a lot of Africans waiting outside employment agencies before they opened, presumably in the quest for work. Of course, as soon as the Eastern Europeans started to come to England, the Africans disappeared, almost overnight. Where have they gone to? Have they gone to Poland - to do the work left behind over there? Or have they slipped further down the economic scale in England?
2) Also, more should have been made of positive changes, as in the field of mixed marriages. My own wife is Nigerian and I am a white punk rocker - you could not get two more diverse people in a marriage. However, it works. This message should have been got across more, with the inclusion of a few couples, such as ourselves, to stress the positives of immigration. You can read more about such matters in the book: One Love Two Colours, by Margaret Oshindele-Smith.
I don't think they have left the country! They may have slipped down a bit. But their rnumbers in places like London is growing Yes, the mixed race phenomenon is interesting. But we were examing the issues surrounding immigration this time. Maybe the next programme. |
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I saw a news article recently that stated the rise in crime had nothing to do with the migrants...how did they come to that conclusion? there are so many living over here ilegally wedo not even have records of IDs nothing!
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quote: Originally posted by bagel queen:
Evening Samir...what was your overall opinion of the attitudes of the people you interviewed for the programme?
Ed answering rather than Samir: it's not so much my opinion of any one individual that counts as whether or not we felt we saw a comprehsneive selection of voices. I believe we did .... from suprising and counter-intuitive points of view to extreme frankness. And, in a series which deals with so delicate a subject, that is worth remarking upon I think. |
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quote: Originally posted by penyfan:
Hi do you think that this country is in the process of Europeanisation.
Yes, I think we may well be |
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Why did the producers think Enoch Powell's infamous speech was a suitable, or even useful, frame of reference for 3 hours of television about immigration in modern Britain? Surely the issue is of wide enough interest and is controversial enough without lumbering ALL 3 programmes with that old albatross?
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quote: Originally posted by Luvleigh:
Hi Samir, congatulations on the programme. It was a big step toward opening a dialogue and allowing British people to express themselves about a matter that they have felt gagged. My opinions are probably a little contraversial to write in here (after looking at the level of censorship people are complaining about) but I think it's really, really important that we British ARE allowed to have a say...even if people are upset by what is said. There's growing resentment about the 'gagging'.
Thanks for the praise. Very welcome |
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I found this programm really SAD. I am not Polish, but I am from the europian union.Rageh Ommar described the Polis like a useless, parasite monsters. THEY ARE NOT! Most of them working hard. I wish to Rageh Omar and to the people, who think that the Polish and the east-europians will take there job, to live just 3 month, like how they lived in their country, then leave all the friends and family behinde.
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quote: Originally posted by hardwon:
Enoch Powell was 100% right. Immigration IS Britain's Funeral Pyre.
If Britains are now to be expected to pack up and leave and become immigrants ourselves in order to prove that immigration is a sound concept?
Oh dear.
I disagree. Our point by the end of the series was that Enoch Powell turned out to be limited in his perspective and that, in turn, means that perhaps he should no longer be deployed as a cornerstone in the immigration debate. And should we go abroad? what about Australia? Or the US? Nothing new .... but perhaps we should have a longer and more critical historical perspective. |
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Your Harvard reference to the programme is: The Inconvenient Truth (2008) Channel 4, 21 April 2005, 20:00 (name of programme italicised)
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quote: Originally posted by magic_uk-pl: Dog Bite- that polish car did not required Uk tax disc cause it was insured in Poland 
I have heard it all now!! 
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What Powell was worried about was the native populations of these Isles being squeezed out of their homelands. Ragehs advice at the end was effectively the natives should move out if all the housing is too crowded for them.
I dont think you really adressed Powells main concerns.
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I think the use of powells speech was a good standpoint as it showed that public opinion has seemingly reached the level at which he was condemmed for.
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we are too soft in this country, my family are hardworking and pay our way, BUT we are overcrowded in our council house and have been for over 2 years but cant get a larger property as they are being taken up by all the immigrants that are flooding OUR once fine country,it makes me sick to think the WE are the second rate citizens here and have to watch every word we say for fear of "offending"
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Steve Powell- you could not track it cause none of the polish people ever gives their real details etc. ) |
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I agree that Immigration is a "delicate2 subject, made more so by the fact that one cannot express an opinion without being called racist or worse!
Do you agree that it is difficult for many of the White British population to express concerns re the additional demand for; Social Housing/Education/Health Services, without being called racists??
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quote: Originally posted by V Profane:
Why did the producers think Enoch Powell's infamous speech was a suitable, or even useful, frame of reference for 3 hours of television about immigration in modern Britain? Surely the issue is of wide enough interest and is controversial enough without lumbering ALL 3 programmes with that old albatross?
When I first considered the idea I didn't think Powell's speech had enough in it. But I think it did and it was a good peg to examine the issues. Although as you will have seen from the last programme, we did think that his particular view was now obsolete |
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quote: Originally posted by nyunyu:
I found this programm really SAD. I am not Polish, but I am from the europian union.Rageh Ommar described the Polis like a useless, parasite monsters. THEY ARE NOT! Most of them working hard. I wish to Rageh Omar and to the people, who think that the Polish and the east-europians will take there job, to live just 3 month, like how they lived in their country, then leave all the friends and family behinde.
I am sorry your felt this. This was not our intention nor is it, on close examination, what we said. Our point was that Polish people were sensibly taking advantage of new economic realities .... |
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quote: Originally posted by SquezedOut:
What Powell was worried about was the native populations of these Isles being squeezed out of their homelands. Ragehs advice at the end was effectively the natives should move out if all the housing is too crowded for them.
I dont think you really adressed Powells main concerns.
The programme was not about Powell per se --- other programmes (on the BBC) have done that. Oir point was to examine the impact his rhetoric, his TEXT, has had on the immigration debate. |
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quote: Originally posted by Ed B.:
We did feature Paul Gilroy in the series ... and I am not sure whether Homi NBaha's particular brand of posst colonialism would be readily understood by non literary theorists. But there were other informed voices in the programmes as well.
2, The programme was designed to confront some hard questions, not least the degree to which the debate in this country has been framed in sime respects by Powell, pro and ante.
3, The point we highlighted in Toxteth was not that there were no white people involved but rather than it marked a particular response by black people to the way in which they had been treated. Not to mention the whites is not to misrepresent the issue.
I missed Gilroy - my apologies. But to suggest ordinary viewers would not understand Bhabha is a bit patronising. His ideas on hybridity strike me as really important, especially in relation to episode 2 where it seemed to be a case of either / or: you're British or not. Point 2: I'm not talking about pro or anti Powell. Why does it have to be reduced to a pro / anti immigration discussion? I'm saying that ordinary mixed marriages weren't discussed and ordinary lives where we all get on together weren't discussed. My point still stands that the programme had a limited focus and the programme focused on the negatives rather than the banal everyday experience of multicultural Britain where rivers of blood are simply not happening. Point 3: you did misrepresent the issue. Toxteth was presented as a race riot. It wasn't and most of it didn't happen in Toxteth anyway - it mainly occured in Canning. The entire riot was presented as a race issue rather than about class.
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Thanks for the reply.
If you make a programme on mixed marriages we would make the ideal couple to focus on!!
Egotistical?
Maybe!
However, the book I mentioned will convince you otherwise!
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quote: Originally posted by SquezedOut:
What Powell was worried about was the native populations of these Isles being squeezed out of their homelands. Ragehs advice at the end was effectively the natives should move out if all the housing is too crowded for them.
I dont think you really adressed Powells main concerns.
That wasn't quite what Rageh said. He said that we are now facing a global market place in which we will all have to work wherever we can get jobs |
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