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Originally posted by tompaine:

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Originally posted by TrevGo:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Piotr/Peter:

The only folk who don't want to integrate is the British? Here you go again.
Can you give me one example of a country in which so many creeds and nationalities co-exist with so little trouble?

France, Italy, America, Germany....the list is endless really, its just we seem to get so uptight about our so called superiority. I thought being british was having reason, rationality and a stiff upper lip. I do, and so everyone I know who regards immigration as an inevitable fact of contemporary society. You can either except it- your throw up your hands in ill-concieved despair lamenting at your long dead 'cultural identity'. Most of us are out their making real acquaintences with real people, regardless of their nationality or race- we're going to shisha bars, and eating lebanese, morrocan cuisine- drinking in russian tea rooms: all essentially realising that this era of false and misguided nationalism is coming to a long awaited end. And I'm bloody glad im not old.

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Originally posted by TrevGo:

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Originally posted by tompaine:

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Originally posted by TrevGo:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Piotr/Peter:

The only folk who don't want to integrate is the British? Here you go again.
Can you give me one example of a country in which so many creeds and nationalities co-exist with so little trouble?

France, Italy, America, Germany....the list is endless really, its just we seem to get so uptight about our so called superiority. I thought being british was having reason, rationality and a stiff upper lip. I do, and so everyone I know who regards immigration as an inevitable fact of contemporary society. You can either except it- your throw up your hands in ill-concieved despair lamenting at your long dead 'cultural identity'. Most of us are out their making real acquaintences with real people, regardless of their nationality or race- we're going to shisha bars, and eating lebanese, morrocan cuisine- drinking in russian tea rooms: all essentially realising that this era of false and misguided nationalism is coming to a long awaited end. And I'm bloody glad im not old.

I thought my reply may suffer at the hands of the mods, and I am grateful they edited your rant as well as deleting mine (though the original appears in this quote, so I don't know what will happen to that).

I am not prepared to let an attack like that go without comment however.

You totally misunderstand the nature of this debate. I do not yearn for a sepia coloured 1950s Britain. London has improved beyond recognition in the 30 years I have lived here. I enjoy the fruits of multiculturalism, but I do not want to see the ghettoisation of the UK as is the case in America. As for Germany, France and Italy - they are far more protective of their culture than we are. When the BNP reaches the level of the Front Nationale I will concede you have a point. Until then, it makes my point perfectly.

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Originally posted by phillydun:

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Originally posted by TrevGo:

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Originally posted by tompaine:

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Originally posted by TrevGo:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Piotr/Peter:

The only folk who don't want to integrate is the British? Here you go again.
Can you give me one example of a country in which so many creeds and nationalities co-exist with so little trouble?

France, Italy, America, Germany....the list is endless really, its just we seem to get so uptight about our so called superiority. I thought being british was having reason, rationality and a stiff upper lip. I do, and so everyone I know who regards immigration as an inevitable fact of contemporary society. You can either except it- your throw up your hands in ill-concieved despair lamenting at your long dead 'cultural identity'. Most of us are out their making real acquaintences with real people, regardless of their nationality or race- we're going to shisha bars, and eating lebanese, morrocan cuisine- drinking in russian tea rooms: all essentially realising that this era of false and misguided nationalism is coming to a long awaited end. And I'm bloody glad im not old.

I thought my reply may suffer at the hands of the mods, and I am grateful they edited your rant as well as deleting mine (though the original appears in this quote, so I don't know what will happen to that).

I am not prepared to let an attack like that go without comment however.

You totally misunderstand the nature of this debate. I do not yearn for a sepia coloured 1950s Britain. London has improved beyond recognition in the 30 years I have lived here. I enjoy the fruits of multiculturalism, but I do not want to see the ghettoisation of the UK as is the case in America. As for Germany, France and Italy - they are far more protective of their culture than we are. When the BNP reaches the level of the Front Nationale I will concede you have a point. Until then, it makes my point perfectly.

They got rid of mine too, and I didn't even say anything. Just asked is Marcel Duchamp really at the Tate? I can not see Britain suffering with ghettos like America has. As long as British people are welcoming enough then this shouldn't happen. Though we have ghettos I don't think and can't see them getting so out of hand as in America. America has more of a capitalist structure and thus more poverty.

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Originally posted by tompaine:
One more thing- if some of you Jeremy Clarkson types actually talked to a Polish person, or actually went there on holiday instead of going to Margate or blackpool or the cost del sol (incidentally exporting your truly vulgar british contempt for foreigner langauge abroad) Or whereever it is you philistines go, instead of giving them passive aggressive guilt trips about why their here- then you would find that they are some of the most friendly and hospitable people in the world. You could try reading some Adam Mickiewicz, or Ignaci krasicki, Boleslaw Prus, Tadeusz Borowski- czelsaw Milosz (noble Laureate)- wathcing the excellent films of Andrejz Wajda or listening to some Chopin.

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Originally posted by Adriana111:

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Originally posted by phillydun:

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Originally posted by TrevGo:

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Originally posted by tompaine:

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Originally posted by TrevGo:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Piotr/Peter:

The only folk who don't want to integrate is the British? Here you go again.
Can you give me one example of a country in which so many creeds and nationalities co-exist with so little trouble?

France, Italy, America, Germany....the list is endless really, its just we seem to get so uptight about our so called superiority. I thought being british was having reason, rationality and a stiff upper lip. I do, and so everyone I know who regards immigration as an inevitable fact of contemporary society. You can either except it- your throw up your hands in ill-concieved despair lamenting at your long dead 'cultural identity'. Most of us are out their making real acquaintences with real people, regardless of their nationality or race- we're going to shisha bars, and eating lebanese, morrocan cuisine- drinking in russian tea rooms: all essentially realising that this era of false and misguided nationalism is coming to a long awaited end. And I'm bloody glad im not old.

I thought my reply may suffer at the hands of the mods, and I am grateful they edited your rant as well as deleting mine (though the original appears in this quote, so I don't know what will happen to that).

I am not prepared to let an attack like that go without comment however.

You totally misunderstand the nature of this debate. I do not yearn for a sepia coloured 1950s Britain. London has improved beyond recognition in the 30 years I have lived here. I enjoy the fruits of multiculturalism, but I do not want to see the ghettoisation of the UK as is the case in America. As for Germany, France and Italy - they are far more protective of their culture than we are. When the BNP reaches the level of the Front Nationale I will concede you have a point. Until then, it makes my point perfectly.

They got rid of mine too, and I didn't even say anything. Just asked is Marcel Duchamp really at the Tate? I can not see Britain suffering with ghettos like America has. As long as British people are welcoming enough then this shouldn't happen. Though we have ghettos I don't think and can't see them getting so out of hand as in America. America has more of a capitalist structure and thus more poverty.

Marcel Duchamp is at the Tate Modern not at the Tate Britain, but you one can travel between both Tates in no time on the Thames on the river bus.

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Originally posted by bigberther:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by tompaine:
One more thing- if some of you Jeremy Clarkson types actually talked to a Polish person, or actually went there on holiday instead of going to Margate or blackpool or the cost del sol (incidentally exporting your truly vulgar british contempt for foreigner langauge abroad) Or whereever it is you philistines go, instead of giving them passive aggressive guilt trips about why their here- then you would find that they are some of the most friendly and hospitable people in the world.

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It's a shame some of those friendly hospitable Polish people haven't come to Britain, instead we get people like you who do nothing but insult Britain and the British If I was working and living in Poland I would respect them and their country.

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Originally posted by bigberther:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by tompaine:
One more thing- if some of you Jeremy Clarkson types actually talked to a Polish person, or actually went there on holiday instead of going to Margate or blackpool or the cost del sol (incidentally exporting your truly vulgar british contempt for foreigner langauge abroad) Or whereever it is you philistines go, instead of giving them passive aggressive guilt trips about why their here- then you would find that they are some of the most friendly and hospitable people in the world.

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It's a shame some of those friendly hospitable Polish people haven't come to Britain, instead we get people like you who do nothing but insult Britain and the British If I was working and living in Poland I would respect them and their country.

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Originally posted by tompaine:
Yes-well theres your first mistake buddy boy, I am british; born and bred.

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Originally posted by Adriana111:
Marcel Duchamp is at the Tate Modern not at the Tate Britain, but you one can travel between both Tates in no time on the Thames on the river bus.

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Originally posted by Transient Reveries:

And not knowing that Spain has taken far more immigrants than Britain has.....and survived.

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Originally posted by TrevGo:
I am well aware of the immigration Spain has absorbed thankyou. And it has not been without problems, though I confess it was not the best example. Their tolerance of the worst this country can produce has to be admired, I admit.

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Originally posted by TrevGo:

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Originally posted by tompaine:

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Originally posted by TrevGo:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Piotr/Peter:

The only folk who don't want to integrate is the British? Here you go again.
Can you give me one example of a country in which so many creeds and nationalities co-exist with so little trouble?

France, Italy, America, Germany....the list is endless really, its just we seem to get so uptight about our so called superiority. I thought being british was having reason, rationality and a stiff upper lip. I do, and so everyone I know who regards immigration as an inevitable fact of contemporary society. You can either except it- your throw up your hands in ill-concieved despair lamenting at your long dead 'cultural identity'. Most of us are out their making real acquaintences with real people, regardless of their nationality or race- we're going to shisha bars, and eating lebanese, morrocan cuisine- drinking in russian tea rooms: all essentially realising that this era of false and misguided nationalism is coming to a long awaited end. And I'm bloody glad im not old.

I thought my reply may suffer at the hands of the mods, and I am grateful they edited your rant as well as deleting mine (though the original appears in this quote, so I don't know what will happen to that).

I am not prepared to let an attack like that go without comment however.

You totally misunderstand the nature of this debate. I do not yearn for a sepia coloured 1950s Britain. London has improved beyond recognition in the 30 years I have lived here. I enjoy the fruits of multiculturalism, but I do not want to see the ghettoisation of the UK as is the case in America. As for Germany, France and Italy - they are far more protective of their culture than we are. When the BNP reaches the level of the Front Nationale I will concede you have a point. Until then, it makes my point perfectly.

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Originally posted by tompaine:
One the note of the blatent censorship that is occuring. Where were you last night, when other people were typing the most despicablly offensive views i have ever had the displeasure of reading. I thought channel four was supposed to be a sentinal of free-speech- yet you are slowly turning into FOX news. Whats the matter- have some vested interest in maintaining the Daily Mail, arm-chair racist demographic?

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Originally posted by Transient Reveries:

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Originally posted by tompaine:
Yes-well theres your first mistake buddy boy, I am british; born and bred.

His first mistake was asking questions that just highlighted his ignorance of the subject such as

"Do you think the French or Spanish would have been more welcoming to a sudden influx of 1 million?"

And not knowing that Spain has taken far more immigrants than Britain has.....and survived.

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Originally posted by Anonimouse:

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Originally posted by TrevGo:

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Originally posted by tompaine:

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Originally posted by TrevGo:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Piotr/Peter:

The only folk who don't want to integrate is the British? Here you go again.
Can you give me one example of a country in which so many creeds and nationalities co-exist with so little trouble?

France, Italy, America, Germany....the list is endless really, its just we seem to get so uptight about our so called superiority. I thought being british was having reason, rationality and a stiff upper lip. I do, and so everyone I know who regards immigration as an inevitable fact of contemporary society. You can either except it- your throw up your hands in ill-concieved despair lamenting at your long dead 'cultural identity'. Most of us are out their making real acquaintences with real people, regardless of their nationality or race- we're going to shisha bars, and eating lebanese, morrocan cuisine- drinking in russian tea rooms: all essentially realising that this era of false and misguided nationalism is coming to a long awaited end. And I'm bloody glad im not old.

I thought my reply may suffer at the hands of the mods, and I am grateful they edited your rant as well as deleting mine (though the original appears in this quote, so I don't know what will happen to that).

I am not prepared to let an attack like that go without comment however.

You totally misunderstand the nature of this debate. I do not yearn for a sepia coloured 1950s Britain. London has improved beyond recognition in the 30 years I have lived here. I enjoy the fruits of multiculturalism, but I do not want to see the ghettoisation of the UK as is the case in America. As for Germany, France and Italy - they are far more protective of their culture than we are. When the BNP reaches the level of the Front Nationale I will concede you have a point. Until then, it makes my point perfectly.

You are right Trev but I fear you will never make inroads into other's intransigence. It is rather like sitting through one of those 70s Open University Social Sciences lectures, an agony of condescension and name dropping, an antipathy to any but the approved opinion. Discussion by diatribe.

You could ask for example why Italy is so keen to remove Albanians or how the French treated black colonial soldiers but I far it would get you nowhere.