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You said in the Dispatches program that we have 1.5 million unemployed in UK what you don't say is that 10 million adults are econmically inactive. We have over half a million illegal immigrants and half a million failed asylum seekers many just economic migrants.
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I thought the first 2 programmes were balanced and informed.
This 3rd programme seems to have been something of a "turnaround" in that it effectively suggests that British people need to become Immigrants in order to fit in with the Global picture?
Or am I taking Rajeh's comment out of context somehow?
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quote: Originally posted by shef06:
I think the use of powells speech was a good standpoint as it showed that public opinion has seemingly reached the level at which he was condemmed for.
Interesting - but I don;t think the evidence we showed was that categorical. I feel we also demonstrated the limits of what Powell said, and the impact those limiations have had on thinking in the UK. |
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What did people make of Rageh as a presenter?
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The nail was hit one the head,if we cant commpete in the global labour market we are in trouble........well done great programe
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If you've seen all three episodes of this programme, have your opinions changed at all over the past 3 weeks?
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quote: Originally posted by hardwon:
I agree that Immigration is a "delicate2 subject, made more so by the fact that one cannot express an opinion without being called racist or worse!
Do you agree that it is difficult for many of the White British population to express concerns re the additional demand for; Social Housing/Education/Health Services, without being called racists??
I think there is a new climate of discourse emerging where immigration can be discussed without the issue of "race" autmatically being invoked. In part, that was what our programme was trying to deminstrate ..... |
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quote: Originally posted by nyunyu:
I found this programm really SAD. I am not Polish, but I am from the europian union.Rageh Ommar described the Polis like a useless, parasite monsters. THEY ARE NOT! Most of them working hard. I wish to Rageh Omar and to the people, who think that the Polish and the east-europians will take there job, to live just 3 month, like how they lived in their country, then leave all the friends and family behinde.
I respect your opinion and your post but just answer me one question please? How would you and your fellow country fellows feel if this was the other way round? I know who put us in this position...the bliddy goverment!!
Be Yourself Coz Those Who Mind Don't Matter and Those Who Matter Don't Mind.
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Yes but many nations throughout the world are economically in a worse state than the uk, so what do you suggest, we allow everyone to come to the uk for 2 to 3 years and earn as much as they can (which will be send back to their own country). Im no economist but surely thats never going to help our economy.
It seems to me the EU is some rebranded idea of communism where we are being forced to find it shocking that people in eastern Europe earn less. Therefore means its okay for anyone who wants more to come to the UK. Im not sure where this is all going but this 'Gold Rush' syndrome of the worlds population cannot be a positive thing for economies of more prosperous nations. Maybe we are heading towards some marxist utopia.
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quote: Originally posted by hardwon:
I thought the first 2 programmes were balanced and informed.
This 3rd programme seems to have been something of a "turnaround" in that it effectively suggests that British people need to become Immigrants in order to fit in with the Global picture?
That's about right - the reality of living in
a global economy
Or am I taking Rajeh's comment out of context somehow?
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in media perception i thin the public are made out to embody that level of discontent but it obviously ranges from different people. i used powells ideas as the start of my disertation in the sense that their is a debate to be had
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quote: Originally posted by penyfan:
Hi do you think that this country is in the process of Europeanisation.
More we are in the process of being turned into a worldwide monoculture of capitalist mass consumerism. The government acts for and on the behalf of big business and they want a cheap labour pool to exploit in order to maximize their profits. The British people need to realise that their opinons don't really count for anything. Preserving a way of life and national culture doesn't even register on the balance sheet therefore it is not really given any thought in the decision making process. The rich get richer the poor remain economically enslaved. |
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The programme ended up trying to mesh immigration and globalisation together and trying to explain that the latter was the solution to the former. No need to worry then!
Wrong - it is really 2 very serious challenges to life in Britain. The first victims are the unskilled British labour - but that is just the start.
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quote: Originally posted by Ed B.: quote: Originally posted by hardwon:
I agree that Immigration is a "delicate2 subject, made more so by the fact that one cannot express an opinion without being called racist or worse!
Do you agree that it is difficult for many of the White British population to express concerns re the additional demand for; Social Housing/Education/Health Services, without being called racists??
I think there is a new climate of discourse emerging where immigration can be discussed without the issue of "race" autmatically being invoked. In part, that was what our programme was trying to deminstrate .....
Blimey..........being able to spell obviously isn't one of the criteria for C4 Commissioners!!! |
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One thing people often forget (although it was touched on in the programme) is how hard it is to move country, especially when you don't speak the language.
No one would do it if there wasn't a strong work ethic and determination to suceed, and that is something that can benefit the host country.
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i have not changed my opinion over the last three weeks, the country is full to bursting, i am not a racist just a realist
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Excellent progame.
I am Serb who has been living in England since 2003 because at that time Croatia was against us just for being Serbs.
I believed i have settled here but now i feel that England is not as good as it used to be.
For example-it is more expensive than ever(council tax,service charges...)it is not easy to find a decent job,public transport is useless and they are just too many"economical refugues" that i thinking to leave everything behind and buy something in Serbia or even Croatia(that was unthinkable before even to think).
For this mess i blame Labour Party and Tony Blair-English people are just too tolerant.
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look at the state of english football nowadays-so many foreigners that even if i was excelent football player i would have no chance:-)
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quote: Originally posted by Samir S: quote: Originally posted by SquezedOut:
What Powell was worried about was the native populations of these Isles being squeezed out of their homelands. Ragehs advice at the end was effectively the natives should move out if all the housing is too crowded for them.
I dont think you really adressed Powells main concerns.
That wasn't quite what Rageh said. He said that we are now facing a global market place in which we will all have to work wherever we can get jobs
Is that his conclusion, or that of an expert. Rageh is a reporter not, one assumes, an expert on demographics. |
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Hi, As far as I remember, the EU was 6 countries wanting free trade ! Now half the world either belongs, or wants to belong to Europe. No politician has asked me if I wanted Poland or the rest of them to join the EU! Undoubtedly we have many of our own politicians with jobs, directorships and squiddgy hands in all sorts of pies that make them money, but when will the Brits ever get the opportunity to say what they think???
With regards to the Poles, Bulgarians and Romanians etc, then if they want to come to this country to work, then fine, just let's operate a similar system to the USA where they get a green card, emergency medical attention only, no priority for living 24 to a house, no translators, and more fundementally, no family allowances either here or to be sent back home unless they have worked and paid taxes for at least 5 years.
If I went to Poland and asked for a council house, I would not be understood, I would not get a translator, I would not get benefits and I would have to sleep on the street.
Why are we so damned stupid? purely because of people like Teflon Tony, God Gordon and every stupid MP who doesn't have to live near them, compete for housing, benefits, work and most importantly equality for UK Citizens amongst them.
No wonder Brits are leaving in drones, but I bet they can't take their family allowances with them !!!!
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The point was well made that Polish immigrants come to the UK primarily to make money to take or send back to Poland (which economy is now booming). Please can you tell us where is this magical utopian land of milk and honey awaiting British plumbers and British white van men which will pay salaries large enough to enable them to send or take back fortunes (relative to the cost of living) to the UK? I'm sure Poland is not the answer?
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quote: Originally posted by Samir S:
What did people make of Rageh as a presenter?
  I thought he was very good,he usually is. |
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Hello
I don't remember Rageh asking the immigrants why it was Britain they came to as opposed to France, Germany etc (although I think I know the answer).
Also the program showed why immigration has brought no benefit to the country. Immigrants living several to a house to keep down costs and then sending as much money as they can back home means they are not buying the goods and services to benefit OUR economy. Yes they pay tax but that is not enough as we need people spending their disposable income here. So they get instant access to the NHS and free school education for their children but contribute much less to the overall pot than the indigenous people. It's a recipe for disaster and the pressure is rising.
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quote: Originally posted by hardwon: quote: Originally posted by Ed B.: quote: Originally posted by hardwon:
I agree that Immigration is a "delicate2 subject, made more so by the fact that one cannot express an opinion without being called racist or worse!
Do you agree that it is difficult for many of the White British population to express concerns re the additional demand for; Social Housing/Education/Health Services, without being called racists??
I think there is a new climate of discourse emerging where immigration can be discussed without the issue of "race" autmatically being invoked. In part, that was what our programme was trying to deminstrate .....
Blimey..........being able to spell obviously isn't one of the criteria for C4 Commissioners!!!
Speeling is a criterion ..... tipin isn't! |
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hi, i havnt got to watch all the documentrys yet but could you please tell me was there much said on the EU's affect on immigration and migrants, inlcuding funding and the awarness made on the importance of cultural differences. im doing an assigment and if your programmes contained this info it would be great.
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In concluding Rageh suggested that we will in the future all become economic migrants travelling around looking for work. This outlook is deeply floored in that it does not take into consideration the role of women in raising families. Once you have children it is not possible to move around the globe at a whim. In fact in this entire programme women were very poorly represented and in tonights edition English working women were left out completely.
If you are young, single, male this globetrotting lifestyle is certainly feasible, but for older people,the disabled or those with families it is a different ball game.
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