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quote: Originally posted by hardwon:
Which numbers would you like?
Accurate net ones quote: For example, in Scotland, we were originally told that 80,000 Polish Migrant workers had arrived - now, apparently, that figure can be multiplied by 10.
What 800,000 have come. That's more than England! And you're assuming that all have stayed and none have gone back? |
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quote: Originally posted by Adriana111:
Just numbers? How about some equations? For example :
Brits + Poles = (Mutual respect) x Love = Future Economical Profits
Very good. In principle I agree. However I always think with love, two's fine, three's a crowd.  |
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quote: Originally posted by Transient Reveries: quote: Originally posted by hardwon:
Which numbers would you like?
Accurate net ones quote: For example, in Scotland, we were originally told that 80,000 Polish Migrant workers had arrived - now, apparently, that figure can be multiplied by 10.
What 800,000 have come. That's more than England! And you're assuming that all have stayed and none have gone back?
Why? Are YOU assuming otherwise? |
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quote: Originally posted by hardwon:
Why?
Are YOU assuming otherwise?
Not assuming anything. "The wave of immigration that helped to fuel Britain’s early 21st century boom is over, as the Polish plumber and thousands like him go home. The Times has established that, for the first time since they began arriving en masse four years ago, more UK-based Poles are returning to their homeland than are entering Britain. Statistics show that only 38,680 Poles signed up to the Government’s register of migrant workers in the third quarter of 2007, a slump of 18 per cent from the previous year. Polish officials say that Poles leaving the country outnumber thoses coming in." StoryAlso nearly every poll has only 5-15% of Poles intending to stay more than 5 years. |
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quote: Originally posted by Transient Reveries: quote: Originally posted by Adriana111:
Here are my some of my thoughts : Generally speaking the idea of "Multi-culturalism" is tiresome if one tries to take it all at once. It requires patience to feel in harmony with everyone in a multicultural group. Actually , no. It takes positive attitude fueled by one's involvement in higher culture with its music, art, poetry, leveled and informed disscussion, healthy competition in strive for excellence... What else?
I believe it also means that you have get away from assuming that your culture is the "best" and have a willingness to respect other cultures. That's not to say you should degenerate your own culture though!
Yes absolutely, it is coming to terms with that the Earth is not flat and therefore own "culture" , or country if one prefers, is not in the middle of it. How many times I was shocked when traveling to a different country what a totally different perspective the people there had on the same matters. |
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quote: Originally posted by bjm: quote: Originally posted by Adriana111:
Just numbers? How about some equations? For example :
Brits + Poles = (Mutual respect) x Love = Future Economical Profits
Very good. In principle I agree. However I always think with love, two's fine, three's a crowd.
Totally agree. Who else is there apart from Brits and Poles on this board? |
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quote: Originally posted by Transient Reveries: quote: Originally posted by hardwon:
Why?
Are YOU assuming otherwise?
Not assuming anything. "The wave of immigration that helped to fuel Britain’s early 21st century boom is over, as the Polish plumber and thousands like him go home. The Times has established that, for the first time since they began arriving en masse four years ago, more UK-based Poles are returning to their homeland than are entering Britain. Statistics show that only 38,680 Poles signed up to the Government’s register of migrant workers in the third quarter of 2007, a slump of 18 per cent from the previous year. Polish officials say that Poles leaving the country outnumber thoses coming in." StoryAlso nearly every poll has only 5-15% of Poles intending to stay more than 5 years.
So what? For at least 4 years this country has been put under tremendous pressure to provide Healthcare/Housing/Education and various benefits for Migrant Poles - and in numbers far in excess of what was expected. If they are choosing to go home now that their own country is getting back on its' feet, then I'm happy for them. All we need to do now is exchange the Polish Translators for Bulgarian/Rumanian and we're set eh? |
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quote: Originally posted by Adriana111: quote: Originally posted by bjm: quote: Originally posted by Adriana111:
Just numbers? How about some equations? For example :
Brits + Poles = (Mutual respect) x Love = Future Economical Profits
Very good. In principle I agree. However I always think with love, two's fine, three's a crowd.
Totally agree. Who else is there apart from Brits and Poles on this board?
I've no idea. Hopefully no one, otherwise its going to get copmplicated. |
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quote: Originally posted by bjm: quote: Originally posted by Adriana111:
Just numbers? How about some equations? For example :
Brits + Poles = (Mutual respect) x Love = Future Economical Profits
Very good. In principle I agree. However I always think with love, two's fine, three's a crowd.
bjm, is there a ruler in your hand? right, I am off. did not signed up to this class in the first place anyway. |
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quote: Originally posted by bjm: quote: Originally posted by Adriana111: quote: Originally posted by bjm: quote: Originally posted by Adriana111:
Just numbers? How about some equations? For example :
Brits + Poles = (Mutual respect) x Love = Future Economical Profits
Very good. In principle I agree. However I always think with love, two's fine, three's a crowd.
Totally agree. Who else is there apart from Brits and Poles on this board?
I've no idea. Hopefully no one, otherwise its going to get copmplicated.
no one? thats a sad vision of the future , a bit reclusive . Are you a hermit ? |
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quote: Originally posted by hardwon: quote: Originally posted by Transient Reveries: quote: Originally posted by hardwon:
Why?
Are YOU assuming otherwise?
Not assuming anything. "The wave of immigration that helped to fuel Britain’s early 21st century boom is over, as the Polish plumber and thousands like him go home. The Times has established that, for the first time since they began arriving en masse four years ago, more UK-based Poles are returning to their homeland than are entering Britain. Statistics show that only 38,680 Poles signed up to the Government’s register of migrant workers in the third quarter of 2007, a slump of 18 per cent from the previous year. Polish officials say that Poles leaving the country outnumber thoses coming in." StoryAlso nearly every poll has only 5-15% of Poles intending to stay more than 5 years.
So what? For at least 4 years this country has been put under tremendous pressure to provide Healthcare/Housing/Education and various benefits for Migrant Poles - and in numbers far in excess of what was expected. If they are choosing to go home now that their own country is getting back on its' feet, then I'm happy for them. All we need to do now is exchange the Polish Translators for Bulgarian/Rumanian and we're set eh?
I have never been to a doctor in the UK. |
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quote: Originally posted by hardwon:
So what? For at least 4 years this country has been put under tremendous pressure to provide Healthcare/Housing/Education and various benefits for Migrant Poles - and in numbers far [QUOTE]in excess of what was expected.
As to benefits here's a question for; Between May 2004 and June 2006 how many EU accession immigrants applied for Income Support, Jobseeker's Allowance and Pension Credit? And how many were allowed to proceed "for further consideration" and appeal? The fact is that it has been gross figures that have been bandied around for the last 4 years therefore magnifying any problems out of all proportion. quote: If they are choosing to go home now that their own country is getting back on its' feet, then I'm happy for them. All we need to do now is exchange the Polish Translators for Bulgarian/Rumanian and we're set eh?
Unlikely since Bulgarians and Romanians have had access to other EU countries since their accesstion. |
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2005:
England 84% of the population 50.1 million
Polish people who arrived in the whole UK since 2004 are not identified by exact number because the last census was in 2001.
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BRITISH DOCTORS = SCARY = POLISH WOMAN CONVENIENTLY LOST HER NHS NUMBER 4 YEARS AGO = POLISH WOMAN HEALTHY = HURRAY !!!
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4 years ago a Polish woman, me, was granted a permanent resident card (green), went to the US Embassy and was told to bring her Polish certificates of vaccination. Polish woman traveled to Poland to fetch her vaccination card. She brought it home (England) and had it translated . Brought it to the US Embassy and English doctor dissmissed the document on the grounds: THERE WAS NO AGREEMENT BETWEEN POLISH AND BRITISH (NOT USA) AUTHORITIES TO RESPECT THOSE DOCUMENTS AS LEGITIMAT, therefore British woman got very upset. British doctor said that unless Polish woman has all vaccinations done again (all 5 of them) at high cost Polish woman will not be able to get her green card. Therefore Polish woman had all the vaccinations, payed a lot of money and got very ill after 3 months. Diagnosis by a Polish doctor was it was scandallous to have some of the vaccinations done more than once in her life. Polish woman also was coerced by the British doctor at the end of her visit to have to be inspected for lumps in her breast. Polish woman was traumatized by the way British doctor at the USA Embassy treated her. He really wanted to have Polish woman money and was a dirty man. Polish woman will never go to British doctor because she is scared and disgusted. End of story. No NHS number here , thank you but no thank you.
Now, if Poland was in the EU earlier, and if the regulations were in place corrupt person who is a doctor in the US embassy would not have rights to treat Polish woman, me, like he did.
You do the maths.
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Polish woman is now British. She spends 100£ every three months on supplements due to weak immune system since the now unlawful vaccinations.
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quote: Originally posted by Adriana111: quote: Originally posted by bjm: quote: Originally posted by Adriana111: quote: Originally posted by bjm: quote: Originally posted by Adriana111:
Just numbers? How about some equations? For example :
Brits + Poles = (Mutual respect) x Love = Future Economical Profits
Very good. In principle I agree. However I always think with love, two's fine, three's a crowd.
Totally agree. Who else is there apart from Brits and Poles on this board?
I've no idea. Hopefully no one, otherwise its going to get copmplicated.
no one? thats a sad vision of the future , a bit reclusive . Are you a hermit ?
Not exactly, but I was hoping not to have any rivals in our new found relationship. As per your equation.  |
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quote: Originally posted by Londoner1001: quote: Originally posted by Adriana111: quote: Originally posted by tompaine: quote: Originally posted by hardwon: quote: Originally posted by dee111:
Rageh Omar missed the big picture with a misguided and weak conclusion. Better solutions exist for everyone, but unfortuneately not in the UK.
That is exactly the point I put to Samir Shah in the opening debate. The first 2 programmes were (mostly) balanced, but one couldn't help but feel that the whole series was leading up to those final words!!! And I for one am outraged at the suggestion that we should pack up our tents and move on in order to facilitate Multi-culturalism and the Global market!!!
What I particularly object to is the above. 'Mutli-culturalism', or objection to it is just a euphemism, for something that is completely and utterly offensive and ignorant.
Yes, generally speaking the idea of "Multi-culturalism" is tiresome if one tries to take it all at once. It requires patience to feel in harmony with everyone in a multicultural group. Actually , no. It takes positive attitude fueled by one's involvement in higher culture with its music, art, poetry, leveled and informed disscussion, healthy competition in strive for excellence... What else?
What is multiculturalism? Its such an over used word.
Here is a good site that says about what multiculturalism is and isn't:http://www.multiculturalbunk.com/#1 |
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quote: Originally posted by Piotr/Peter: Bjm, sine Adriana seemed to catch your eye I demand a nice British lass so I could evaluate on my own Adriana's equation! 
That sounds fair enough. I'll make the necessary arrangements. |
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Well I'm signing off from this lively debate ... I'm planning my escape from London ... Do widzenia
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Londoner wrote: quote: Well I'm signing off from this lively debate ... I'm planning my escape from London ... Do widzenia
Why, where, what for? Hope not due to us. Ta-ra! |
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