Geeza wrote:

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You exhibit the same intolerant and vulgar opinionated fascistic aggressive; my way or the highway clap trap as 'those' you are attacking.

Don't you know that once children have enough of playing nicely, they pull their hair, kick and keep screaming. Once both have suffered enough pain they feel deeply offended with each other for the whole eternity that lasts 5 minutes and start playing nicely again

Well I so much hope we all will play with each other nicely!

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Originally posted by Adriana111:

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Just numbers? How about some equations? For example :

Brits + Poles = (Mutual respect) x Love = Future Economical Profits

Very good. In principle I agree. However I always think with love, two's fine, three's a crowd.

Totally agree. Who else is there apart from Brits and Poles on this board?

I've no idea. Hopefully no one, otherwise its going to get copmplicated.

no one? thats a sad vision of the future , a bit reclusive . Are you a hermit ?

Not exactly, but I was hoping not to have any rivals in our new found relationship. As per your equation.

You look like you are cuddly teddy bear! Life is full of paradoxes.

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Originally posted by Piotr/Peter:
Bjm, sine Adriana seemed to catch your eye I demand a nice British lass so I could evaluate on my own Adriana's equation!

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Well I so much hope we all will play with each other nicely!

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Originally posted by Geeza..:
-- The Friends of Voltaire, 1906

Voltaire's mates must have had a really good innings bearing in mind Voltaire died 128 years beforehand!

It is about time you added something of value.

Off you go, the floor is yours ---->

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Originally posted by Londoner1001:
Well I'm signing off from this lively debate ... I'm planning my escape from London ... Do widzenia

C'mon Lon you will love it. Don't be a hermit ! xx

By the way Peter and Adriana, I'm sorry you have experienced negativity and/or insensitive comments from my countrymen and women, I hope things will get better over time and you feel more at home and welcome.

Please also try to understand the effects of massive unprecedented levels of immigration for the people of this country and how it is changing our country and how people feel helpless because they were not consulted over this.

Geeza wrote:

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By the way Peter and Adriana, I'm sorry you have experienced negativity and/or insensitive comments from my countrymen and women, I hope things will get better over time and you feel more at home and welcome.

Thanks a lot. See, this ain't your fault. I believe everybody holds responsibility for their actions on their own. So, please spread sometime a "good word" and you'll find it germinating

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Please also try to understand the effects of massive unprecedented levels of immigration for the people of this country and how it is changing our country and how people feel helpless because they were not consulted over this.

I'll wager we all apprehend at some levels this is a brand-new situation for all of us. As Adriana says: the key to the success is a levelled and informed discussion, also good will. Otherwise children point out fingers at each other and recriminate

I'll be better off now, so good night all of you folk!

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Originally posted by Geeza..:
By the way Peter and Adriana, I'm sorry you have experienced negativity and/or insensitive comments from my countrymen and women, I hope things will get better over time and you feel more at home and welcome.

Thank you for this . Mostly appreciated . Thank you for this . Mostly appreciated .

Please also try to understand the effects of massive unprecedented levels of immigration for the people of this country and how it is changing our country and how people feel helpless because they were not consulted over this.

And, as I mentioned in one previous post: it is impossible to give exact number of Polish migrants in the UK because the last census was in 2001. Would you really like to change the frequency with which the census is conducted? That would be just mad in my opinion. Besides all those issues are raised as a spin, to stir with peoples minds and get apolitical citizens to vote. That is my view point on this.

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Originally posted by Geeza..:
By the way Peter and Adriana, I'm sorry you have experienced negativity and/or insensitive comments from my countrymen and women, I hope things will get better over time and you feel more at home and welcome.

Many thanks for this.


Please also try to understand the effects of massive unprecedented levels of immigration for the people of this country and how it is changing our country and how people feel helpless because they were not consulted over this.

Geeza, I believe that the government did all the necessary calculations before letting us in. I would like to hear why you think the migration is so unprecedented. Do you feel as if you have found yourself living inside of "polish ghetto" of some kind, do you go to a cafe and people only speak polish and are unkind to you in any way, is it really like a scenario described in the rivers of blood speech only with polish people? or are your assertions based on what everyone is saying and in tv ? I live an Irish part of London, all pubs are Irish, half of the street speaks with an Irish accent, there is an Irish church on my street but I do not mind that some of these folks are hanging out together in groups. I go to the local supermarket and generally have a lovely time and chats, most of the guys there are Bangladeshi or Pakistani in Sainsbury's and every time I try to learn Urdu or Bengoli, there is one guy who is English and he also likes to chat and one South African, Sri Lankas and Persians run Budgens, Organic shop is run by African Jewish family and they wear their traditional African attire, I just love it. This is true London for me.

Guys, I have just realized it is 1.30am. I must be mad. Good night.

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Originally posted by Adriana111:
Geeza, I believe that the government did all the necessary calculations before letting us in. I would like to hear why you think the migration is so unprecedented. Do you feel as if you have found yourself living inside of "polish ghetto" of some kind, do you go to a cafe and people only speak polish and are unkind to you in any way, is it really like a scenario described in the rivers of blood speech only with polish people? or are your assertions based on what everyone is saying and in tv ?

The government gave us the estimated calculation of Polish migrants to the UK before your country was admitted to the EU.

The annual estimate was ~ 13,000 - 15,000 or 30,000 - 35,000 people per annum. Sorry can't remember the exact estimate this was back in 2005.

This isn't just about Polish people, please understand this point, it is about English people becoming a minority in their own areas of the country, segregated communities and the tensions that arise from this, there are other immigrants not just from Poland.

We really are a tolerant bunch but I think we are being badly treated by our representatives in government.

In all honesty would you agree that annually 13K - 15K or 30K - 35K Poles are coming to the UK or do you think the government got it wrong?

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i dodnt like the way C4 seemed to say capatalisation and immigration was inevitable we should let countries develop at their own rate.

Yeah, and of course please lock up your borders tightly and cease global trade cos otherwise you're be flooded with products and have nothing to offer so to pay for them back. There are major economies emerging on the horizon like India and China. And you don't think you have to stay competitive, right? Erm, perhaps you think you're so competitive that you don't need any more growth cos it's not sustainable ... perhaps you think people cannot give out of themselves more than you do ... oh well .. they can and they will and if you continue believing that you can rest now, you'll be deeply sorry of this in the future.

I believe we should let in the right people. I think the british people have been creative pioneers. i am wary of throwing this away on a dream that globalisation and capatilisation is a good thing i think the british charisma should not be played with to fast.. Whats happening in china and india has begung so i will support it, maybe immigration is enevitable but i think we are mad if we dont control our borders and continue to allow a lot of good Brits to leave at the current rate.

Why does anyone think they are owed a council house in this country, native or non naitive? Even some refugees my friend works with moan about having to wait too long for a council house, because they hope to buy them due to the big discounts you get. Make do with private housing like most of us and goverment should stop selling off social housing.

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we are too soft in this country, my family are hardworking and pay our way, BUT we are overcrowded in our council house and have been for over 2 years but cant get a larger property as they are being taken up by all the immigrants that are flooding OUR once fine country,it makes me sick to think the WE are the second rate citizens here and have to watch every word we say for fear of "offending"

Ken has had a good run. He got to the stage where he thought he had no opposition and no longer cared what anyone thgought of him or his policies. Make no mistake he will be a bad loser if someone else gets his job.

Paddick really has no experience and is a bit too loud about things. Can he listen to others opinions?

Boris is an unknown quantity really. He likes to play the joker, which is a refreshing change from the poker faced regime of Ken and cohorts. He could be much more successful than his image suggests. I don't think for one minute he would dicriminate against any section of the community.

The Greens shouldn't be allowed anywhere near power in their current position. When do you ever hear them have anything to say about anything? Climate change and all the things that brought them into being are headline news, and what do you get from the Greens? Not a squeak. That is until a job like this comes up.

Thats my opinion. If I had a vote I would vote Boris. Never mind his politics. He would be great fun and maybe a good mayor.

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Originally posted by bjm:
Ken has had a good run. He got to the stage where he thought he had no opposition and no longer cared what anyone thgought of him or his policies. Make no mistake he will be a bad loser if someone else gets his job.

Paddick really has no experience and is a bit too loud about things. Can he listen to others opinions?

Boris is an unknown quantity really. He likes to play the joker, which is a refreshing change from the poker faced regime of Ken and cohorts. He could be much more successful than his image suggests. I don't think for one minute he would dicriminate against any section of the community.

The Greens shouldn't be allowed anywhere near power in their current position. When do you ever hear them have anything to say about anything? Climate change and all the things that brought them into being are headline news, and what do you get from the Greens? Not a squeak. That is until a job like this comes up.

BNP and the rest. No. Unless anyone wants to register a protest vote.

Thats my opinion. If I had a vote I would vote Boris. Never mind his politics. He would be great fun and maybe a good mayor.

Hi Bjm,
Thanks for the insight. Somehow I cannot take Boris seriously. Also another thing, has he been born in London? That is why Paddick would be more appealing to me as a mayor. He certainly must have some good connections rooted deep inside here. And as a feemason perhaps higher moral standards. He makes me think about these old black and white movies with British policeman as pillar of the society, quite romanticed image. Well.. on the second thought though there is also this caricaturish YMCA angle to the picture but perhaps it is good thing... Although I must say all this LibDem association is a bit gray area to me. What do you think?

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Originally posted by Adriana111:

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Originally posted by bjm:
Ken has had a good run. He got to the stage where he thought he had no opposition and no longer cared what anyone thgought of him or his policies. Make no mistake he will be a bad loser if someone else gets his job.

Paddick really has no experience and is a bit too loud about things. Can he listen to others opinions?

Boris is an unknown quantity really. He likes to play the joker, which is a refreshing change from the poker faced regime of Ken and cohorts. He could be much more successful than his image suggests. I don't think for one minute he would dicriminate against any section of the community.

The Greens shouldn't be allowed anywhere near power in their current position. When do you ever hear them have anything to say about anything? Climate change and all the things that brought them into being are headline news, and what do you get from the Greens? Not a squeak. That is until a job like this comes up.

BNP and the rest. No. Unless anyone wants to register a protest vote.

Thats my opinion. If I had a vote I would vote Boris. Never mind his politics. He would be great fun and maybe a good mayor.

Hi Bjm,
Thanks for the insight. Somehow I cannot take Boris seriously. Also another thing, has he been born in London? That is why Paddick would be more appealing to me as a mayor. He certainly must have some good connections rooted deep inside here. And as a feemason perhaps higher moral standards. He makes me think about these old black and white movies with British policeman as pillar of the society, quite romanticed image. Well.. on the second thought though there is also this caricaturish YMCA angle to the picture but perhaps it is good thing... Although I must say all this LibDem association is a bit gray area to me. What do you think?

What do I think, Adriana?

In this country when you are undecided the tradition is to take a pin with you, shut your eyes, and stick the pin in the ballot paper. Where the pin sticks, thats your man, or woman. And you can mark that with an X.

Its as good a method as any. Because whoever gets in they will forget everything they said beforehand.

And another thing. You might think freemasonry is a qualification for leadership, but many people will disagree with you. Personally I don't care whether he belongs to Alcoholics Anonymous, the League of Empire Loyalists, or whatever, but a lot of people do.

And a further thing. London is, and always has been, a cosmopolitan city. Whether you have been born there or not doesn't usually carry much weight.

I hope that helps.

And I thought I lived in the James Bond's country. Would love to go jogging at 6am in the park one morning though...

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Hi Bjm,
Thanks for the insight. Somehow I cannot take Boris seriously. Also another thing, has he been born in London? That is why Paddick would be more appealing to me as a mayor. He certainly must have some good connections rooted deep inside here. And as a feemason perhaps higher moral standards. He makes me think about these old black and white movies with British policeman as pillar of the society, quite romanticed image. Well.. on the second thought though there is also this caricaturish YMCA angle to the picture but perhaps it is good thing... Although I must say all this LibDem association is a bit gray area to me. What do you think?[/QUOTE]

What do I think, Adriana?

In this country when you are undecided the tradition is to take a pin with you, shut your eyes, and stick the pin in the ballot paper. Where the pin sticks, thats your man, or woman. And you can mark that with an X.

Its as good a method as any. Because whoever gets in they will forget everything they said beforehand.

And another thing. You might think freemasonry is a qualification for leadership, but many people will disagree with you. Personally I don't care whether he belongs to Alcoholics Anonymous, the League of Empire Loyalists, or whatever, but a lot of people do.

And a further thing. London is, and always has been, a cosmopolitan city. Whether you have been born there or not doesn't usually carry much weight.

I hope that helps. [/QUOTE]

I agree with you completely that freemasonary is not a qualification for leadership, but it should be an indication of higher moral ethics and conduct. However if the latter is of any importance if one wants to be a leader is a separate matter isn't it? From what I have been thaught since I was a child freemasonary operates quite well in the case of total chaos such as sudden war for example. thats all...

hi adrianna..I think you should vote for who you feel the most at ease with...I know who I am going to vote for..Over here it is very much "old boys network" which basically means if you went to the right school,have friends in high places, then you are in! But the old boy school network can just as quickly turn against you over night! especially if there is money involved, which there usually is...good luck!

Adriana, I have no knowledge of freemasonry, which of course is the idea unless you belong.

One or two people close to me were masons, and they were good reliable citizens. If Paddick is a freemason I would say its a plus rather than a minus. But you can guarantee there will be people who disagree.