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quote: Originally posted by hardwon:
Enoch Powell was 100% right. Immigration IS Britain's Funeral Pyre.
If Britains are now to be expected to pack up and leave and become immigrants ourselves in order to prove that immigration is a sound concept?
I to wonder if channel 4 should be voicing such ideas.that would lead to futher break-up of the british comunitys familys,why don,t we just do away with the non pc British alltogether.Rageh seems to think it best!!!
Oh dear.
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quote: Originally posted by Samir S: quote: Originally posted by Gouryella: quote: Originally posted by Samir S:
What did people make of Rageh as a presenter?
  I thought he was very good,he usually is.
The boy did good ......played a blinder  Thank you - I shall pass that on to Rageh
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quote: Originally posted by Cerddaf:
Thank you for an interesting programme.
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1, My mother's family come from Wales, and frankly I also feel the link to her country, to the extent of learning the language. I can see where the Punjabis were coming from.
2, It is unfortunate that the whole immigration business became tied into skin colour. It should not have been. I remember my parents generation who objected to Pakistanis and Irish for exactly the same reason. The are here to take over our country. (There is also colour prejudice, but that is not the whole story)
3, I've also worked as an immigrant worker in Germany, for exactly the same reason and the Poles. I do however still feel a connection to Germany, and have considered going back there permanently.
4, Separate Communities are, you argue, dangerous. Presumably because any incident can be so easily blown up.
I used to live in Lozells. The account of the riot reminded me of the Medaeval stories of Christian babies being sacrificed by Jews. What is worrying is the ease with which the stoy was believed without any hard evidence.
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Given the separate communities, how do you see them in the future:
- permanent feature.
- withering away over the next 100 years
- destroyed by pogroms
The use of the word "pogrom" always gives me chills ...... so I hope not. I would prefer to think that an open - rather than highly charged - discussion of immigration would alleviate potential problems over time. |
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Brilliant show as ever. I don't understand why people find it so easy to criticise immigration when if it was not for the schooling system in this country then there would not be such a need for businesses to employ people from other countries. A capable work force in Britain can only be the product from an efficient schooling system.
I would also like to see a dispatches on 'illegal immigrants', to my knowledge there has not been one yet. Though I would like to thank those involved in this series as it was extremely thoughtful and cleared my mind of a lot of issues given from different sides of society.
I went to a primary school in Reading which had complete racial harmony, its a shame some of the children who attended with me will lose that childhood serenity having to fight for jobs because the schooling system let them down.
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The program presented by Jon Snow opened withan account of a Somali woman, who cmae here as a asylum seeker and then had five children, by different fathers - none of whom are around now and who gets £32,000 per annum in benefits - asn thinks she should get more.
That is more than I get to keep from my £55,000 salary.
Why does her family get more than mine when she has contributed zero to our economy?
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Rageh concluded that the effect of immigration, has not impacted on Britain the way in which Enoch Powell visualised.
But he is quite wrong. Indigenous British folk are now victims of political correctness. And every thing we say or do is scrutinised by one dept. or another. Yet we have to stand by and watch people parade around the streets of our capital city, carrying placards which call for our beheading, or our deaths. And nothing is done to stop this. Political corectness is extremely one sided, built against the very people, to which this land is their BIRTHRIGHT. Our fathers fought and died for our freedom, and this land. But now it is being given away wholesale, to foreigners who have no interest in staying here, or improving Britain.
That is one side of it.
The other side is that traditional communities are being broken up by people coming and going, and British people feel that they are being forced to leave our shores, to better themselves abroad, because they are being undercut by foreign workers.
So the Brits who leave, feel like they have no roots in Britain no more. We all need to feel rooted to something familliar. Foreign workers still have their roots in other countries. As many have said, they are only here to work, their roots lie in their homeland.
But British people feel that their homeland is being eroded, and that we no longer matter anymore. We are just cogs in a global machine. But at no time have we been asked if we wanted these changes, or if we wanted to be part of a "new world order". It is dispicable that the very people who built this country up, should be treated in this way, by money hungry business owners, and Vile politicians.
I for one am extremely angry. Britain is my HOME, and my BIRTHRIGHT, not a commodity for some self serving politicians to float on the stock market.
I would be interested to know how many other indigenous Britons felt like this.
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Would we get the same benefits in Poland or any other country that these people get here in the UK? I think not! Its one thing to claim that because their country is in the EU they have the right to housing, education, health care and benefits at our expense. France and Germany are member states as well. Do you think the migrants would travel as far as the UK if they could get the same benefits in France and Germany. We are a soft touch and I don't blame the Polish or any other nationality taking advantage. Its our own government thats at fault. Charity begins at home.
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Who's bright idea was all this immigration anyway?? I find foreigners quite interesting and variety is the spice of life as they say. But I live in a building that is occupied by approx 80% foreigners (Mainly Somali & other Africans). I feel like I've emigrated already!
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if they want to come to this country then they should sign up and fight for this country for a minimum of 5 years FRONT LINE, pay their way in hospitals and education, walk, talk and dress the way we do and then convert to the church of england, how many would want to stay then????!!!!
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I blame the goverment for wanting more cheap labour for the only people they are interested in their pals with estates and fruit farms.They do really think we are stupid if people are escaping danger in their own country why aint they stopping at the first safe country they come to.?
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Dear oh me, not a balanced programme. You featured a polish mother with two children, one in his teens the other younger. She didn't speak the language but the sub-titles translated how she expected life to get easier "when the benefits came" and that she thought that Polish should receive "equality" as they pay taxes. She didn't speak English, did not claim to be working and contributing to our economy but thought thta as Poland is now in the EU that she and her family should get everything........and what would we get for nothing if we moved to another part of the EU, say Poland?
I'm almost 60 and my wife(57) has worked since turning 16 save for less than two years when she bore our children. I've worked and contributed to our economy for 44 years non-stop. The EU has a lot to answer for, but not as much as the politicians who signed us up to it. The UK is a bleeding heart that will soon bleed to death.
That's why tonight's skewed programme was an insult to myself and mine....especially when fronted by someone who doesn't have a proper heritage in this land and wants to spoon-feed us the thoughts who want to take before they have given.....
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Well how about this, i had heard rumours but when i was there it was becoming quite clear, the EU has its sights on north africa and it pushing east towards Turkey and maybe further. Whats going on????
I bet there's some guy in a huge room sitting in a big black chair stroking a white fluffy cat. Theres something very sinister about the EU.
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after having watched tonights programme I felt I had to point out that as a briton who has worked abroad for five years, that despite paying my taxes in that country I was not entitled to any benefits such as child benefit, working tax credits, child tax credit etc, nor was I offered council housing or any type of assisted housing and if I needed a translator for anything then I had to pay out of my own pocket, I'm not complaining because I chose to work there and I feel strongly that if you chose to live and work abroad then you do so on the understanding that if you use the services expect to pay for them, the trouble with the UK is that its to easy to enter and take take take while putting very little back in and I think that someone needs a reality check on immigration numbers!!!!! Its got to the point where most uk citizens feel afraid to speak up for fear of being labeled a racist and because of this the uk is a tinder box waiting to ignite.
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More ammunition for BNP - courtsy of C4!
Now BNP doesn't need a party election broadcast - c4 has done a fantastic job for them.
What were you thinking?
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The first two programmes were indeed interesting and well informed.
One point missing was the key link between immigration and integration. Higher levels of immigration = Less integrated ethnic minorities. Simply because the current rate of immigration swamps the rate of integration.
A second important point, would have been exploring immigration via arranged marriages from the Asian subcontinent - This immigration produces some of the least integrated communities in the whole country, with the highest birth rates.
The third programme made a number of simplistic points about everybody being global citizens, coming and going, and generally moving around all the time, so therefore immigration is ok, and inevitable. More relevant would be to contrast current immigration from the new-EU, where immigrants generally work for a while and go home, with non-EU immigration from developing world countries from where people tend to stay.
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quote: Originally posted by mrpetenick: quote: Originally posted by hardwon:
Enoch Powell was 100% right. Immigration IS Britain's Funeral Pyre.
If Britains are now to be expected to pack up and leave and become immigrants ourselves in order to prove that immigration is a sound concept?
I to wonder if channel 4 should be voicing such ideas.that would lead to futher break-up of the british comunitys familys,why don,t we just do away with the non pc British alltogether.Rageh seems to think it best!!!
Oh dear.
What community ....what neighbours........do you know the names of you you nearest 3 neighbours? |
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quote: Originally posted by M1dge: quote: Originally posted by Joshh:
One thing people often forget (although it was touched on in the programme) is how hard it is to move country, especially when you don't speak the language.
No one would do it if there wasn't a strong work ethic and determination to suceed, and that is something that can benefit the host country.
But if I were to move country I would learn the language before I went and try and speak it when I got there. A lot of the immigrants on the show had to be translated. I am planning on moving to Japan at some point and so I am starting Japanese lessons in the near future.
M1dge, learning the language makes sense if you're planning to treat the destination country as a semi/permanent home. However if, as we saw earlier, the object is just to work, earn, and then leave, then learning the language is not necessarily economically useful. Especially if there is already an established community you can link into. The question is, are the people already here calling home with the message, "If you come here and work hard you'll make good money" or are they calling home and saying "come to the UK, get benefits and housing life is easy". I may be wrong, but I don't think it's the second one. |
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Hi Samir,
I believe that this immigration dispatches has been a great sucess. Personally I believe some people make the comments they do because they are uneducated in the sense when it comes immigration. A lot of people fail to realise that the uk are apart of the European union along with 26 other member states. There are many articles within the E.u treaty which gives rights to the 27 members states of the E.u. To move,live, work and recieve the same social benefits in their host country. I feel some people feel insecure within themselves and that is my some people make ignorant comments about immigrants. I also feel immigrants maybe our foundation because a lot people take for granted the domestic jobs that some of them do i.e bin men and street cleaners. It does not matter about your race, it all depends on the individual person.
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quote: Originally posted by Kufah:
Rageh concluded that the effect of immigration, has not impacted on Britain the way in which Enoch Powell visualised.
But he is quite wrong. Indigenous British folk are now victims of political correctness. And every thing we say or do is scrutinised by one dept. or another. Yet we have to stand by and watch people parade around the streets of our capital city, carrying placards which call for our beheading, or our deaths. And nothing is done to stop this. Political corectness is extremely one sided, built against the very people, to which this land is their BIRTHRIGHT. Our fathers fought and died for our freedom, and this land. But now it is being given away wholesale, to foreigners who have no interest in staying here, or improving Britain.
That is one side of it.
The other side is that traditional communities are being broken up by people coming and going, and British people feel that they are being forced to leave our shores, to better themselves abroad, because they are being undercut by foreign workers.
So the Brits who leave, feel like they have no roots in Britain no more. We all need to feel rooted to something familliar. Foreign workers still have their roots in other countries. As many have said, they are only here to work, their roots lie in their homeland.
But British people feel that their homeland is being eroded, and that we no longer matter anymore. We are just cogs in a global machine. But at no time have we been asked if we wanted these changes, or if we wanted to be part of a "new world order". It is dispicable that the very people who built this country up, should be treated in this way, by money hungry business owners, and Vile politicians.
I for one am extremely angry. Britain is my HOME, and my BIRTHRIGHT, not a commodity for some self serving politicians to float on the stock market.
I would be interested to know how many other indigenous Britons felt like this.
I do for one.  |
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I felt it more than like turn the British people against the Polish poeple. And I can see in this forum that is quite successful.UK is part of the EU. There are people from UK who work in the other EU country.
Just think about USA.How is it looks like if people are going to live from Utah (where is not good the economical position) to California. And in California they do the same telly programm.
Seconed think. Soldiers from Poland was alliance of the British army in the II WW. But Britania forget them after Yalta.And what do you think about it? Poland never did a big problem of it. But this is the result, that they are here now.
And you can have a look on the statistic, how many people from the EU work in the care homes to look after the british very ill erderly people.
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Hello, just a few points trying to tell us it's not immigration, but long distance commuting, you were listening too much to the employers who employ low paid workers.
Comparing low paid workers to very high paid City workers, was simply ridicules.
How can the tax a very low paid work pay cover all the housing benefit, schooling and health care costs of the families coming with them. The benefits system is part of the problem here, with the scraping of the 10p rate people we are expected to claim credits or somthing like that, something I will never do, to top up your income. I don’t want to scrounge of the tax payers I want to keep the money I earn, the only way a low paid family can survive in this country immigrant or not is to take handouts.
If some one is here for a week or 10 years to work they are an immigrant! If they come here to live and want to integrate into British culture then they are British! If they come to live and don’t want to integrate then they are a fifth column of the culture they came from, and it’s foolish not to realise this.
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quote: Originally posted by mojo101: quote: Originally posted by Ed B.:
I disagree. Our point by the end of the series was that Enoch Powell turned out to be limited in his perspective and that, in turn, means that perhaps he should no longer be deployed as a cornerstone in the immigration debate. And should we go abroad? what about Australia? Or the US? Nothing new .... but perhaps we should have a longer and more critical historical perspective.
You may have been onto something when you say that not all of the immigrants are coming to stay and become citizens, although I think people know that. Travel has become a lot easier since the 1960s, when emigration used to mean you'd never see someone again. In the programme I think some of the facts could have been interpreted differently. For example, you say that 82% (or whatever the number was) of current immigrants intend on going home. But that means 18% of a very big number intends to stay. If you just take the numbers intending to stay, how does this compare with the numbers in the past? And does it matter if people are intending on going home, if new ones are coming all the time? I highly doubt that the 10% of all people in Britain being foreign figure will go down. Finally, as others have said, I found the programme's conclusion that low-skilled British workers should go and get a better job abroad (where exactly is this mythical place where they will they get paid more than here?), totally absurd. Was this conclusion based on any sort of research?
Well, the evidence is that more and more British workers are going abroad for jobs. I think the figure from the Home Office was 400,000 every year. So it is happening in some parts of the economy. The question is whether that kind of determination will spread to others |
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I think the Goverment are to blame on a lot of issues...they dish out this, dish out that, who would not come over here if you are going to get PAID for it!
Be Yourself Coz Those Who Mind Don't Matter and Those Who Matter Don't Mind.
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