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quote: Originally posted by bjm:
OK how about following up these programmes with more on the same subject? Not every 40 years.
We're keen to do so - what angles are you interested in? |
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quote: Originally posted by Samir S:
What did people make of Rageh as a presenter?
Hi,I think you,ll find that Rageh, had his bbc head on big time!! during this PC rubbish. Not what i would expect from channel 4. "All it take for the bad guy to take over, is for the good guys to do nothing" |
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If we are all meant to be getting on planes to look for work, what is that going to do to global warming?
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quote: Originally posted by C4 Admin:
Hi everyone,
Samir and Ed will be finishing soon, if you have any last questions for them get them in now!
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After detailing some of the appalling effects of mass immigration, the program ended with some absurd 'economic reality' conclusion that we should all get on a plane.
The 'immigration expert' referenced in the program - author of 'Your country needs immigration' is a free market nut who would have free trade in nuclear weapons if he could get away with it.
There was no balance in the 'economic reality' presented of the above absurd views.
Many economists will tell you the reality of mass immigration is that per capita, it doesn't raise production (and hence wages) per person very much. Thats the economic reality, as pointed out recently by the House Of Lords report on mass immigration - also not mentioned in the program.
In fact people see prices of real resources (not in the inflation measure) rising.
Very Dissapointing - not for the view, but the lack of balance at the end.
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ok cu later fellas... going to work now to earn some brithish pounds while you go to sleep and keep being lazy ... all you can do is just talk and debate ... U could all live in no. 10  have a good night and get to work |
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hi, i havnt got to watch all the documentrys yet but could you please tell me was there much said on the EU's affect on immigration and migrants, inlcuding funding and the awarness made on the importance of cultural differences. im doing an assigment and if your programmes contained this info it would be great. please answer me |
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Overall a watchable series but predicatble in its conclusions. A lot was said without really saying anything. It was just too shallow in its analysis. We did not get a sense of the recent european dynamics which have given rise to these phenomena.
What is undeniable is the complete loss of community both in UK and elsewhere. There was a spirit of self-promotion everywhere from the immigrants, the film makers, the social commentators and even from the quango leaders you interviewed. Absolutely no reflection on community as a living entity.
The UK, and most other countries, are being seperated into the managerial political classes who are uber-self-promoters and the rest of us who earn the money for them to play their increasingly dangerous games. Both UK citizens and the moveable citizens of other countries are victims to the tradgedy of modern politics and economic theorists. We are slowly being killed by an ideology which is just as poisonous as communism or facism.
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quote: Originally posted by C4 Admin:
Hi everyone,
Samir and Ed will be finishing soon, if you have any last questions for them get them in now!
C4 Admin
Please follow this excellent series with another very soon. Maybe some of the commentators on this blog could be invited to join in a debate. Or at least some of the issues raised here could be used in another series. It would be good maybe to follow one or two migrant-workers as they move around Europe, seeing what problems they face in other EU countries. I have lived and worked outside the UK - I never received any help with translation, I didn't expect to, I learnt the language before I went abroad and improved on it when I was there. |
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quote: Originally posted by Gouryella: quote: Originally posted by C4 Admin:
Hi everyone,
Samir and Ed will be finishing soon, if you have any last questions for them get them in now!
C4 Admin
 Do you have any plans for a docu about the numbers of British people leaving our sunny shores- due to the competition for jobs?.
I'll try something on Ed - see if he commissions me! |
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Rageh is the story. 87% of his fellow Somalis in the UK are not in employment. 52% of Asian Muslims are classed as 'not econimcally active' at anyone point here,38% claiming benefits, 19% claiming benefits that have never worked,according to the goverments own prison website. The Poles have been superb in taking up the slack in the UK economey and we applaud them. But the story is ten years from now, they too tired of doing tedious jobs, saturing benefit claims like the underclass Brits do. Will we be bringing in another burst of immigrants to fill those jobs?
The Poles hate the type of jobs we wont do as much as anyone else and because theres ten more to pick up the rifle the jobs get done. Labor invited them here to drive down the minimum wage and inflation, not start a new life.They are exploited, we are exploited. When Blair told big business he wanted a minimum wage ,they told him they wanted mass cheap labour,and its driving Brtis on to the dole.Ithas to be by the pure weight of numbers..So when we talk about the negatives of immigration lets have some facts on what the immigrants of thirty years ago are doing today in the uk.If you strip out the wealth generated in the City of London from immigrants from America and the commonwealth, the remaining immigrants are a huge drain on the UK. That fact has also not been reported. If this is about black and white deep down then thats relevent.
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quote: Originally posted by maningrey: quote: Originally posted by C4 Admin:
Hi everyone,
Samir and Ed will be finishing soon, if you have any last questions for them get them in now!
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Re earlier request for information. The sustainable number for the UK as a whole is 40 million persons (based upon infrastructure analysis in 2006 ) |
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quote: Originally posted by Ed B.: quote: Originally posted by bjm:
OK how about following up these programmes with more on the same subject? Not every 40 years.
We're keen to do so - what angles are you interested in?
Well how about a serious look at the expectancy of many foreigners to tap into our benefits system? Our Education system? Our national health system? real issues faced by ordinary British people every day. |
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To Michaeleks:
It's very nice of you to say to British people that they should accept change but British and Polish people come from different backgrounds.
Many British people have grown up in an increasinsly comfortable environment since WWII and have become used to this. At the same time, most Polish people appear to have grown up under an oppressive and arguably backward political system.
Perhaps if you had any empathy at all, you'd be able to look at it from the average British person's perspective. The perspective of someone with everything to lose and whose security in this world is being slowly eroded by people from less comfortable origins who have everything to gain.
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quote: Originally posted by Ed B.: quote: Originally posted by bjm:
OK how about following up these programmes with more on the same subject? Not every 40 years.
We're keen to do so - what angles are you interested in?
A follow up of of exactly the same issues. Its changing all the time. Most of us have waited years to have any sort od debate on immigration lasting more than five minutes. You can attack it from any angles you like. But just recognise that this is the most talked about and controversial subject of our time! |
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quote: Originally posted by ozeki: quote: Originally posted by Boja:
More ammunition for BNP - courtsy of C4!
Now BNP doesn't need a party election broadcast - c4 has done a fantastic job for them.
What were you thinking?
Thank you Ozeik, point noted! I wouldn't worry - the BNP get, what, 1% of the vote? Based on those figures it would seem migration is not the issue the BNP or this programme want it to be. This programme continued the myth that 'ordinary' white Brits are being silenced by the PC brigade. I think it's the other way around. The anti-immigration lot have their own political party, tabloid newspapers, etc. All we ever hear about are the problems with migrants! As I said earlier, where are the stories about ordinary people happy to live in a multicultural society?
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quote: Originally posted by Samir S:
Well, the evidence is that more and more British workers are going abroad for jobs. I think the figure from the Home Office was 400,000 every year. So it is happening in some parts of the economy. The question is whether that kind of determination will spread to others
Sure, some Britons can get jobs abroad. (I suspect that there are more people working here than there are Britons working abroad though?) But are these the same people who are finding themselves disadvantaged by large numbers of immigrants? It would have been interesting to have a better analysis of who the winners and losers are. I'd suspect the results would be that middle classes do well (from a purely economic standpoint), and working class people are worse off? I don't know for sure, but it would have been interesting to get this analysis. |
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As stated and can be felt the wealthy are trying to squeeze us all even further than we are being squeezed now.Longer hours for less pay and struggling to survive leaving us with less time for those that matter
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quote: Originally posted by Scott_B: quote: Originally posted by C4 Admin:
Hi everyone,
Samir and Ed will be finishing soon, if you have any last questions for them get them in now!
C4 Admin
Please follow this excellent series with another very soon. Maybe some of the commentators on this blog could be invited to join in a debate. Or at least some of the issues raised here could be used in another series. It would be good maybe to follow one or two migrant-workers as they move around Europe, seeing what problems they face in other EU countries. I have lived and worked outside the UK - I never received any help with translation, I didn't expect to, I learnt the language before I went abroad and improved on it when I was there.
I like theses forums - more ideas for programmes. It's a good thought |
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quote: Originally posted by magic_uk-pl: Dog Bite- that polish car did not required Uk tax disc cause it was insured in Poland
Vehicles that are registered and taxed in their home countries and brought into the UK temporarily are usually exempt from UK registration and licensing, and may be used in the UK for up to six months in any twelve month period. All vehicles must carry a minimun of 3rd party insurance for the UK not Poland. I think if you check your insurance policy, it won't cover you for driving around in Poland for 6+ months. Do you seriously believe Polish insurance companies are any different? |
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Dear Boja, actually being a foreign worker in Spain definately does not mean more money in fact the tax I paid was higher than that of the locals whilst my take home pay was lower than that of my fellow spaniards for doing the same job, no extra handouts for me, the uk would be best to look towards the continents attitudes
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quote: Originally posted by MIDGEBW: quote: Originally posted by Ed B.: quote: Originally posted by bjm:
OK how about following up these programmes with more on the same subject? Not every 40 years.
We're keen to do so - what angles are you interested in?
Well how about a serious look at the expectancy of many foreigners to tap into our benefits system? Our Education system? Our national health system? real issues faced by ordinary British people every day.
On the list! |
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I’m afraid the programme overlooked one or two basic economic facts.
Firstly, the immigrants are answering the economic laws of ‘Supply and Demand’, whereby the rewards of meeting UK work requirements are high enough to induce them to make the decision to leave their home countries. These rewards are also high enough that living and travel costs aside they are able to save enough to transfer back to their home countries, which can then provide the freedom of choice to return home should that desire arise.
Secondly, the world is experiencing a major economic crisis at present, as a result of the credit crunch. A result of which Sterling is losing ground against the Euro making the UK less desirable as a work location for ‘early adopters’ but still provides an incentive for late comers e.g. Bulgarian immigrants.
Thirdly, for indigenous UK people to become immigrants the rewards need to be high enough to allow them to save enough to meet the high cost of living in the UK. This may be achievable in the not to distant future as a result of the Credit Crunch and the falling house prices, mean that a major part of the cost of living suddenly becomes affordable. However, in the meantime there are few areas of employment that allow UK citizens to meet this need, so from a UK perspective the decision becomes a more permanent decision to emigrate usually to an ‘English’ speaking country for a better standard of living, where that standard can be achieved on a salary which on conversion would not achieve much from a sterling perspective.
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quote: Originally posted by Samir S: quote: Originally posted by israelstar:
Hi Samir,
I believe that this immigration dispatches has been a great sucess. Personally I believe some people make the comments they do because they are uneducated in the sense when it comes immigration. A lot of people fail to realise that the uk are apart of the European union along with 26 other member states. There are many articles within the E.u treaty which gives rights to the 27 members states of the E.u. To move,live, work and recieve the same social benefits in their host country. I feel some people feel insecure within themselves and that is my some people make ignorant comments about immigrants. I also feel immigrants maybe our foundation because a lot people take for granted the domestic jobs that some of them do i.e bin men and street cleaners. It does not matter about your race, it all depends on the individual person.
Good points, well made
so thats why spain has removed its health support of the british that have retired there |
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