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It (paedophilia) is a recognized psychological disease according to the American Psychiatric Association.
I don't see that this has much to do with culpability for their crimes. (I don't think that's what you were saying either.)
And it is not at all related to homosexuality, assuming that there is no unwanted act forced on anybody.
For what it's worth, there is an article right now on the website for Science News magazine in which they describe sexual activity among rams. It seems that about 10% of them prefer other rams to ewes, which is about the same percentage that I've heard quoted for humans.
Who knows?
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quote: Originally posted by MrRhodes: quote: Originally posted by nursery cryme:
Speaking as a practising Catholic I would go along with what the Church says on homosexuality.
What you do behind closed doors is your own business.
However, if you choose a homosexual lifestyle then you should rule out child rearing. That is a job for a man and women. Basic science, you know.
Well first I would like to say I didn't 'choose' a homosexual lifestyle(whatever that may be)and neither did any gay person. Why would anyone 'choose' a lifestyle where you are ridiculed by society and attacked physically and verbally? If you had choice, surely you would choose the 'acceptable' option. I presume you are straight (sorry if I am wrong for presuming) but could you choose to be something that is not in your nature? God chose that for us - if you believe in her. And I wholeheartedly agree - child rearing is for a man and a woman - that is one thing I can choose not to be involved with. I have never understood why gay people want kids, usually we enlist you straights to breed for us and you do it all the time. 
My friend, I wasn't trying to attack you or disparage your lifestyle. As I said, that's your business and that of those who are close to you. As for child rearing - yes some heterosexuals have made pretty crap parents. I still believe, that in the main that children should be brought up by a man and a woman - balance I think. |
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quote: Originally posted by kellyf355:
WOW this has turned into a debate on homosexuality.
Rturning to the original debate, Muslims are clearly being victimised and alienated in their own country. A very similar story to the Jews in Europe. Will we have another Cristallnacht in Britain. Will we make Muslims wear a cresent stitched on to their clothes so we know who they are?
Oh we're talking about creating a fascist state.
Some of the people on this forum spend a lot of time trying to demonstrate their narcissistic personalities for the benefit of others.
Simple - if you condemn the majority for the crimes of a few -you are a fascist, bigoted, racist. And we all know who those people are after reading this thread.
Muslims are here to stay, this country belongs to them as it belongs to you. You have NO MORE claim than them. Muslims will not compromise their religion because you cannot compromise the word of God. Christians have tried it and look what a sorry mess theyre in now.
If your are scared of Muslims then thats a deep rooted problem within yourself. Look into yourself and find the deficiencies within. Then there may be some hope for you.
Personally, I don't care whether youre scared of Islam or not ....its the fastest growing religion on the planet and the biggest practising religion on earth May be, may be not. However about 1bilion people are Muslims. The other 5 billion aren't, and don't want to be.....so if you can't get over that then carry on being terrified for the rest of your life, I pity you and your ignorance. I would however implore you to educate yourself as a tool to overcome your ignorance and bigotry.
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quote: Originally posted by LionKing07:
What about paedophiles, do they choose to be attracted to prepubescents???
Ask Mo
A good way to deter predators is to taste awful
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quote: Originally posted by silmii: quote: What's your view on discrimination toward gay people?
I am not discriminate towards gays, are they not people? Yes i may not agree with the concept of homosexuality, just as it declares in the Bible, and in the Quran, because personally i believe that it does not co-exist with nature. By that i mean, when you look at the animal kingdom you do not see any mating of the same sex species. But that is my personal view. But when it comes to people who are gay, i have no problems with them, becos they are who they are. You should accept people for what they are. I have worked with many gay people, and get on fine with them. You cant expect someone to change because of your beliefs. Only their beliefs can change of their own will. Hope it made sense :S
What's your view on the continue genocide murderous campaign being waged against Black Africans in Darfur by Arab muslims as we speak? I notice the entire muslim world have been silence on that front (the on-going genocide in Darfur)  |
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quote: Originally posted by nursery cryme: quote: Originally posted by kellyf355:
WOW this has turned into a debate on homosexuality.
Rturning to the original debate, Muslims are clearly being victimised and alienated in their own country. A very similar story to the Jews in Europe. Will we have another Cristallnacht in Britain. Will we make Muslims wear a cresent stitched on to their clothes so we know who they are?
Oh we're talking about creating a fascist state.
Some of the people on this forum spend a lot of time trying to demonstrate their narcissistic personalities for the benefit of others.
Simple - if you condemn the majority for the crimes of a few -you are a fascist, bigoted, racist. And we all know who those people are after reading this thread.
Muslims are here to stay, this country belongs to them as it belongs to you. You have NO MORE claim than them. Muslims will not compromise their religion because you cannot compromise the word of God. Christians have tried it and look what a sorry mess theyre in now.
If your are scared of Muslims then thats a deep rooted problem within yourself. Look into yourself and find the deficiencies within. Then there may be some hope for you.
Personally, I don't care whether youre scared of Islam or not ....its the fastest growing religion on the planet and the biggest practising religion on earth May be, may be not. However about 1bilion people are Muslims. The other 5 billion aren't, and don't want to be.....so if you can't get over that then carry on being terrified for the rest of your life, I pity you and your ignorance. I would however implore you to educate yourself as a tool to overcome your ignorance and bigotry.
NurseryCrime,NurseryCrime, By all means quote my posts, but do me the courtesy of not interfering with them, in order to make a feeble and crass retort concerning the number of muslims in the world today. And For your information the figure is 1.4 billion and rising.
want to learn about religious brutality and genocide? Start with the Christian 1st Crusade and end up with the atheist Hitler...
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quote: Originally posted by kellyf355: quote: Originally posted by nursery cryme: quote: Originally posted by kellyf355:
WOW this has turned into a debate on homosexuality.
Rturning to the original debate, Muslims are clearly being victimised and alienated in their own country. A very similar story to the Jews in Europe. Will we have another Cristallnacht in Britain. Will we make Muslims wear a cresent stitched on to their clothes so we know who they are?
Oh we're talking about creating a fascist state.
Some of the people on this forum spend a lot of time trying to demonstrate their narcissistic personalities for the benefit of others.
Simple - if you condemn the majority for the crimes of a few -you are a fascist, bigoted, racist. And we all know who those people are after reading this thread.
Muslims are here to stay, this country belongs to them as it belongs to you. You have NO MORE claim than them. Muslims will not compromise their religion because you cannot compromise the word of God. Christians have tried it and look what a sorry mess theyre in now.
If your are scared of Muslims then thats a deep rooted problem within yourself. Look into yourself and find the deficiencies within. Then there may be some hope for you.
Personally, I don't care whether youre scared of Islam or not ....its the fastest growing religion on the planet and the biggest practising religion on earth May be, may be not. However about 1bilion people are Muslims. The other 5 billion aren't, and don't want to be.....so if you can't get over that then carry on being terrified for the rest of your life, I pity you and your ignorance. I would however implore you to educate yourself as a tool to overcome your ignorance and bigotry.
NurseryCrime,NurseryCrime, By all means quote my posts, but do me the courtesy of not interfering with them, in order to make a feeble and crass retort concerning the number of muslims in the world today. And For your information the figure is 1.4 billion and rising Still means 4.6 billion non-Muslims..
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quote: Originally posted by kellyf355:
Muslims are here to stay, this country belongs to them as it belongs to you. You have NO MORE claim than them. Muslims will not compromise their religion because you cannot compromise the word of God. Christians have tried it and look what a sorry mess theyre in now.
On the one hand you say non-Muslims have no more right to this country as you do. Then on the other hand you state that Muslims will not compromise their religion since it is the "word of god". Could you possibly restate this part of your post?...At the least, since your post shows how Fundamentalist Islam can be as conservative as the Spanish Inquisition. Which part of the word of God did you mean has no room for compromise? How big a stick to beat your wife with? How much to sell your daughter into slavery? That you can have slaves from a different country? This seems to be particularly popular among the Sudanese Arabs since they enslave the Black Sudanese. I know, we always seem to go back to examples of how Middle-Eastern Muslims act towards their neighbours and each other.
“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
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For anyone interested there has been a very interesting thread on the Guardian Comment is Free site.
There is a piece "Contempt for our culture" (In his remarks on British Muslims, David Cameron betrays a familiar Tory hostility to pluralism) by Soumaya Ghannoushi. Some of the comments are very interesting, concentrating on the UK. See posts by Haardvaark and Orwell's Ghost re the fostering of a victim mentality that seems to be pretty prevalent and the subject of pluralism.
Not sure if this will be deleted but here goes anyway.
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Still means 4.6 billion non-Muslims..
[/QUOTE] Congratulations Cryme on your subtraction capabilities. I'm sure there's a point somewhere apart from your arithmetical prowess.
want to learn about religious brutality and genocide? Start with the Christian 1st Crusade and end up with the atheist Hitler...
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quote: Originally posted by Lorenzo De La Cruz: quote: Originally posted by kellyf355:
Muslims are here to stay, this country belongs to them as it belongs to you. You have NO MORE claim than them. Muslims will not compromise their religion because you cannot compromise the word of God. Christians have tried it and look what a sorry mess theyre in now.
On the one hand you say non-Muslims have no more right to this country as you do. Then on the other hand you state that Muslims will not compromise their religion since it is the "word of god". Could you possibly restate this part of your post?...At the least, since your post shows how Fundamentalist Islam can be as conservative as the Spanish Inquisition. Which part of the word of God did you mean has no room for compromise? How big a stick to beat your wife with? How much to sell your daughter into slavery? That you can have slaves from a different country? This seems to be particularly popular among the Sudanese Arabs since they enslave the Black Sudanese. I know, we always seem to go back to examples of how Middle-Eastern Muslims act towards their neighbours and each other.
Lorenzo, I don't make posts in order to revise them after they have been read. TO MAKE IT CLEAR - you cannot compromise the word of God. If however due to your limited understanding of Islam, you present media-borne presentations of Islam as true Islam, then you will be forever confused. FYI, slavery in the 8th century was not the slavery we think of today. It was a form of employment that Islam certainly made clear that did not warrant anyless respect. This is true of Christian slavery also. The distortion came about when the imperialist white men of relatively recent history, ripped indiginous peoples from their lands, chained them up, and took them halfway round the world to abuse them. Hazrat Bilal, one of the most dear companions of the Prophet(SAW) was a slave. He invented the Hazaan or Call to Prayer - the beautiful melody now rings across the world as demonstration of the sole practising religion. If I tried to beat my wife I would probably end up worse off. I'll not dwell on this because you will know that violence especially against women is abhorred in Islam. I have little patience for the tabloid descriptions of Islam. At least do me the courtesy of investigating the religion for yourself instead of reading the Daily Mail crusade (!) for all the poor subjugated women of Islam!
want to learn about religious brutality and genocide? Start with the Christian 1st Crusade and end up with the atheist Hitler...
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Atiladhun: quote: Originally posted by silmii: quote: What's your view on discrimination toward gay people?
I am not discriminate towards gays, are they not people? Yes i may not agree with the concept of homosexuality, just as it declares in the Bible, and in the Quran, because personally i believe that it does not co-exist with nature. By that i mean, when you look at the animal kingdom you do not see any mating of the same sex species. But that is my personal view. But when it comes to people who are gay, i have no problems with them, becos they are who they are. You should accept people for what they are. I have worked with many gay people, and get on fine with them. You cant expect someone to change because of your beliefs. Only their beliefs can change of their own will. Hope it made sense :S
What's your view on the continue genocide murderous campaign being waged against Black Africans in Darfur by Arab muslims as we speak? I notice the entire muslim world have been silence on that front (the on-going genocide in Darfur)
Heres another one where does it compute that if we don't unilaterally condemn every action of a criminal act committed by a Muslim around the world, then we are condoning it? How simplistic and naive is that. Your lack of insight staggers me. Let us assume you are a christian - do you condemn every crime committed by christians on every inch of the globe? If you are Gay - when a gay person commits armed robbery - do you take out a full page spread in the Times condemning him? Do you want me to condemn the goings-on in Darfur. Have you been there? Are you privy to the situation there? For your information, I was there last month as part of a relief effort and as usual, the situation is VERY DIFFERENT to that presented by the mainstream media. But I do condemn the acts of torture and violence wholeheartedly - you may be assured of that.
want to learn about religious brutality and genocide? Start with the Christian 1st Crusade and end up with the atheist Hitler...
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Why is it that when we criticise Islam; we would end up being accused of being anti-Muslim, daily mail reading bigots? I am not ashamed to acknowledge that I have never been to the Sudan. We are not simply condemning a crime; we are condemning the genocide of a people. I fear I only need refer to the BBC in order to find cases showing what the current affairs are in that country. Since you claim to have been there; could you please, provide any data from a reputable source? Another question we could ask: Why do we see in the media complaints about the treatment of the Palestinians by the Israelis from Islamic organisations, but do not see anything about the Muslims treatment of Africans in the Sudan? On another note: Discussions about how big a stick to beat your wife have occurred in Saudi Arabia. Slavery as practiced hundreds of years ago in the Muslim world may have been “benign” compared to the Atlantic slave trade, but not acceptable practice in the 21st century. The Princes of the U.A.E. are being pursued in a litigation case for child slavery. Are you stating that this is an acceptable practice? These are the excuses I keep reading about the Islamic practices: It is cultural and not in the Quran. You interpret the writings incorrectly. The writings have been mis-interpreted. You have to read the Quran in Arabic. You have misquoted the imam. Which is true Islam to you? In your opinion, does any country exist where Islam is practiced correctly? And that Britain should emulate?
“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
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perhaps we would be better quoting media coverage from Al Jazeera which is renowned as being unbiased in its reporting. Then no-one would complain.
Would they?
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quote: Originally posted by Null by mouth:
perhaps we would be better quoting media coverage from Al Jazeera which is renowned as being unbiased in its reporting. Then no-one would complain.
Would they?
I can't find the link anymore, but they were one of the organisations, along with the Catholic Church claiming that Christianity is growing faster than Islam in Africa. I can't cite the Catholic webiste, since it is biased and would prefer to use a site trusted by the more mainstream Muslims.
“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
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quote: Originally posted by kellyf355:
Some of the people on this forum spend a lot of time trying to demonstrate their narcissistic personalities for the benefit of others.
Is that not an oxymoron?
A good way to deter predators is to taste awful
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quote: Originally posted by Lorenzo De La Cruz:
Why is it that when we criticise Islam; we would end up being accused of being anti-Muslim, daily mail reading bigots?
I am not ashamed to acknowledge that I have never been to the Sudan. We are not simply condemning a crime; we are condemning the genocide of a people.
I fear I only need refer to the BBC in order to find cases showing what the current affairs are in that country.
Since you claim to have been there; could you please, provide any data from a reputable source?
Another question we could ask:
Why do we see in the media complaints about the treatment of the Palestinians by the Israelis from Islamic organisations, but do not see anything about the Muslims treatment of Africans in the Sudan?
On another note:
Discussions about how big a stick to beat your wife have occurred in Saudi Arabia.
Slavery as practiced hundreds of years ago in the Muslim world may have been “benign” compared to the Atlantic slave trade, but not acceptable practice in the 21st century.
The Princes of the U.A.E. are being pursued in a litigation case for child slavery. Are you stating that this is an acceptable practice?
These are the excuses I keep reading about the Islamic practices:
It is cultural and not in the Quran.
You interpret the writings incorrectly.
The writings have been mis-interpreted.
You have to read the Quran in Arabic.
You have misquoted the imam.
Which is true Islam to you?
In your opinion, does any country exist where Islam is practiced correctly?
And that Britain should emulate?
The best excuse and most used has to be "Taken out of context" followed up by a refusal to put the said comments into a context that would be acceptable. |
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Lorenzo, I fear I only need refer to the BBC in order to find cases showing what the current affairs are in that country.A suboptimal technique of availing youself of the truth. Whilst I do not claim everything broadcasted by the BBC is absolute fairytale, it makes common sense to obtain multiple news sources in order to eliminate bias. It a simple statistical fact that increasing the population size, reduces the chances of error. Since you claim to have been there; could you please, provide any data from a reputable source?I would not expect you to take my word for it - the information was given to demonstrate the original point. Why do we see in the media complaints about the treatment of the Palestinians by the Israelis from Islamic organisations, but do not see anything about the Muslims treatment of Africans in the Sudan?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!you make my point exactly! Media organisations have their own agendas - THEY SHOULD highlight the problems elsehwere in the world including the Sudan - but thats the problem isn't it? Discussions about how big a stick to beat your wife have occurred in Saudi Arabiammm...I think this one is born of frustration Lorenzo, but I will say that I have openly condemned the action of the Saudi elite ( even on this forum elsewhere)and by no means consider them to be admirable exponents of Islam The Princes of the U.A.E. are being pursued in a litigation case for child slavery. Are you stating that this is an acceptable practice?Ditto As for your 'excuses' about Islamic practices...and I guess you are beginning to get a little frustrated here, don't post questions asking Muslims for answers only to label them as excuses when you don't like the fabric of them. That demonstrates an alternative purility to your agenda, which has no aspect of enlightenment associated with it. Which is true Islam to you?A potentially massive essay question there but answerable with subliminal brevity - The Islam In The Holy Koran. In your opinion, does any country exist where Islam is practiced correctly?I fear not, but that comes from a forced humility - we can never be perfectly practising Muslims because of our inherent deficiencies. But that should not stop us trying to strive for a closer, purer relationship to our Lord. Best Wishes Lorenzo
want to learn about religious brutality and genocide? Start with the Christian 1st Crusade and end up with the atheist Hitler...
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quote: Originally posted by MrRhodes: quote: Originally posted by kellyf355:
Some of the people on this forum spend a lot of time trying to demonstrate their narcissistic personalities for the benefit of others.
Is that not an oxymoron?
Oh Dear Mr Rhodes, are you being forced to the periphery of this debate?
want to learn about religious brutality and genocide? Start with the Christian 1st Crusade and end up with the atheist Hitler...
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Common Sense , I believe Lorenzo's questions were directed at me, but feel free to browse my responses. If there is anything I can help YOU with let me know. 
want to learn about religious brutality and genocide? Start with the Christian 1st Crusade and end up with the atheist Hitler...
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