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Greetings and peace be with all of you,

I'm a Muslim so feel free to ask me any questions and I will endeavour to respond to them.

Regards


The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said:

"Shall I inform you of the best morals of this world and the hereafter?

They are to forgive he who oppresses you, to make a bond with he who severs from you, to be kind to he who insults you, and to give to he who deprives you."
 
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I should add that my nationality is British. I was born in England and have lived here all my life.


The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said:

"Shall I inform you of the best morals of this world and the hereafter?

They are to forgive he who oppresses you, to make a bond with he who severs from you, to be kind to he who insults you, and to give to he who deprives you."
 
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Originally posted by Osman8491:
Greetings and peace be with all of you,

I'm a Muslim so feel free to ask me any questions and I will endeavour to respond to them.

Regards



Do you have any good stew recipes?

Nic
 
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Greetings Nic,

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Originally posted by Tequila_nic:
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Originally posted by Osman8491:
Greetings and peace be with all of you,

I'm a Muslim so feel free to ask me any questions and I will endeavour to respond to them.

Regards



Do you have any good stew recipes?

Nic


Unfortunately, no. I haven't learned to cook yet, although I intend to do so very soon.

I recommend the Saturday Kitchen website on the BBC for some good stew recipes. Big Grin

Regards


The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said:

"Shall I inform you of the best morals of this world and the hereafter?

They are to forgive he who oppresses you, to make a bond with he who severs from you, to be kind to he who insults you, and to give to he who deprives you."
 
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LMAO nice reply Big Grin
 
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Originally posted by Tequila_nic:
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Originally posted by Osman8491:
Greetings and peace be with all of you,

I'm a Muslim so feel free to ask me any questions and I will endeavour to respond to them.

Regards



Do you have any good stew recipes?

Nic


That,s not nice Nic...he comes in peace..invite him to the other threads,I've been appealing for some sanity there.
 
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Greetings and peace be with all of you,

I'm a Muslim so feel free to ask me any questions and I will endeavour to respond to them.

Regards


Hello Osman.

Why do Muslims claim that the crusades was an offensive war waged by Christians against the Muslims when in reality Muslims were the aggressors?

Do you think it is important to educate Muslims about historical realities and help them forgo the 'comfort' of always seeing themselves as the victims?

Would such education aid Muslims be more peaceful and less angry?
 
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Originally posted by Geeza..:... the crusades was an offensive war waged by Christians against the Muslims ....

and yet they still were unable to confine their "offensive" to muslims Big Grin
the crusades in the holy land may have been a response to muslim aggression but not all crusades were. At the end of the day they were usually instigated by the roman church to assert it's authority when threatened by any groups they considered heretical.


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Hi Geeza,

Thank you for your post. Smile

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Originally posted by Geeza..:
Why do Muslims claim that the crusades was an offensive war waged by Christians against the Muslims when in reality Muslims were the aggressors?


Muslims probably make this claim because they perceive it to be the truth. Personally, I don't have a great deal of in-depth historical knowledge, least of all about the crusades. I have always believed the inhabitants of Christian Europe to be the aggressors from what I have read and heard. However, I am not one to shy away from the truth. To that end, perhaps you can educate me about how exactly the Muslims were the aggressors.

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Originally posted by Geeza..:
Do you think it is important to educate Muslims about historical realities and help them forgo the 'comfort' of always seeing themselves as the victims?


I think it is important that everyone is educated about historical realities, including, but not restricted to Muslims. The truth should always prevail, no matter what. I think it is important to refrain from 'tarring all Muslims with the same brush', though. I'm sure that not all Muslims always see themselves as the victims. Personally, I think Muslims are often victims, but at the same time, Non-Muslims have been subject to unacceptable actions performed by Muslims. I think that's a real travesty, since Islam as a religion condones these kinds of actions.

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Would such education aid Muslims be more peaceful and less angry?


Again, I think it's important to realise that Muslims are not a universal entity. They are individuals, and you will find that many of these individuals are peaceful. It's a great shame that the 'angry' ones tend to make the most noise, thereby attracting a greater proportion of the media's attention.

To me, it seems that the anger of Muslims today is rooted more in politics. They feel that there are injustices done against Muslim countries by the 'western world'. I think that is the real root of their anger, and so the key to making them peaceful is to attack the problem at that very root.

Regards


The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said:

"Shall I inform you of the best morals of this world and the hereafter?

They are to forgive he who oppresses you, to make a bond with he who severs from you, to be kind to he who insults you, and to give to he who deprives you."
 
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Hi Osman,

Thanks for offering to answer any questions. I would like to take up your offer.

I am interested in Islam, I understand quite a lot about it and find that I like and agree with a lot of the principles. I have been a devout Christian in the past and a lot of the personal morality is very similar. In some ways the Islamic tradition is more pragmatic about everything. But the difficulty I am having at the moment is the idea that Islam from the beginning was an empire. I know that Arabia at the time was tribal and there was no over-arching political system or governing power like there was when Christianity emerged. So the Muslims very quickly had to become a self-governing community. But I don't understand why they felt the need to expand and conquer other territories. I realise that they didn't generally force conversion, but the status of non-Muslims under Muslim rule (dhimmi) was not very good. And would you blame the people for fighting back? A lot of Muslims feel bitter about European colonialism and the neo-colonialism that characterises western military action in Iraq. But what is the difference between that and the way that Muslim empires operated? Why was it OK for them to go and conquer other places? They may have replaced bad regimes with better ones in some cases, but does the end really justify the means? If everyone surrenders and accepts Muslim rule, it works fine, but if there is resistance - if more than one civilisation wants control - that model of operation will not bring world peace, quite the opposite. How can a non-believer be convinced that that is God's will? Is there something I haven't understood here?

Thanks again for the offer of a discussion.


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ANOUNCEMENT!....
tonight (tues 5 august)21.30 radio 4 ,repeat of this morning's broadcast.Dutch anti -extremist ,talks about problems in Holland & death threats.
 
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Originally posted by Osman8491:
Greetings and peace be with all of you,

I'm a Muslim so feel free to ask me any questions and I will endeavour to respond to them.

Regards

I see why you have made this thread, and I'm not knocking you...but what is the point of broadcasting your Muslim? I am not surprised you got sarcastic and witty responses at first. I mean, I am...but I dont think you need to make a thread about it. In the other discussions, I have said 'speaking as a Muslim....' << I think thats good enough. But I also feel your posts can be offensive to non muslims, sometimes.
Sorry, but thats my opinion.


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Well I was pleased to see the thread (it may have been a response to some people on other threads requesting Muslims to debate with them), but I didn't get my answer anyway. Perhaps the poster was put off by earlier replies.


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Originally posted by Osman8491:... perhaps you can educate me about how exactly the Muslims were the aggressors...

I hope Geezer doesn't mind my two penneth worth here.
Most of the Muslim Empire by the time of the crusades had been christian prior to muslim takeover. The land wasn't given, it was taken, usually by force. In this respect Islam was the aggressor. However, they were only doing what christianity had done before. Much of christendom was previously pagan or jewish. With the exception of those areas that adopted christianity by "choice", the rest was taken or converted by force (The teutonic knights eventually became good at this).
It does appear however that countries under Islam fared quite well compared to those under Christianity at the time. While much of christian europe was in the dark ages, Islam was having it's "golden age". Shame it didn't last.


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Well I was pleased to see the thread (it may have been a response to some people on other threads requesting Muslims to debate with them), but I didn't get my answer anyway. Perhaps the poster was put off by earlier replies.

Exactly - whats the point of acting as if you have ALL the answers and just because some people have put him off, he doesn't reply. Then why make a thread in the first place if you can't handle any criticism. You may have not noticed but, not everyone agrees with Islamic views, so I thing Osman has a little bit of growing up to do, and accept not everyone agrees with Islam.

PS - For future reference, if you are someone who gets put off quickly dont bother making a thread open for debate.
That really infuriates me BECAUSE, when someone takes them up on that offer, they dont reply. Mad


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3rd line should read ...."so I think Osman...." not "I thing"
I apologise for that grammatical error Blush


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^^
Actually thats a very good point
 
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your'e MUSLIM...so what, does that make you special somehow?

I don't care about religion....you can follow whatever you like but....where's the proof who made us and the world?

we'll never know, we are not meant to know....
 
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Muslims consider themselves special because they are going to heaven and everyone is going to hell.

So, they feel sorry for the "doomed" people.

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Let's all stick to common sense
 
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Omrow, what kind of Muslim do you call yourself by saying things like that?
I don't think thats whats Islam teaches and you are giving the wrong message.
However, most religions DO believe that 'Non believers' can never go to Paradise.
Some Muslims believe (not all) that all religons have some light and have the right path towards Heaven
I'd appreciate if if you (Omrow) stop spreading messages like that which is what causes so many arguments!!


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Omrow, what kind of Muslim do you call yourself by saying things like that?
I don't think thats whats Islam teaches and you are giving the wrong message.
However, most religions DO believe that 'Non believers' can never go to Paradise.
Some Muslims believe (not all) that all religons have some light and have the right path towards Heaven
I'd appreciate if if you (Omrow) stop spreading messages like that which is what causes so many arguments!!


DOND my friend, you're a lovely guy (and I am that honestly I am not being sarcastic) but I belive you a re wrong and Omrow is correct!!

Well actually it would have been more correct if he'd said Islamic litertaure teaches us that all non beleivers will go to hell (as opposed to all Muslims actually believe we're going to hell (as he was including you)).
 
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"We are God's chosen few!
All others will be damned:
There is no place in heaven for you -
We can't have heaven crammed ..."

Sorry, Omrow - couldn't resist that, I love that little rhyme! Angel

But it's a fair point if you believe it - I know there's nothing personal intended! Hug

Christians are an exception to your general rule, DOND_#1_FAN - by far the majority of them say only God knows who gets to Heaven ... It ain't necessarily reserved for them! Thumbs Up
 
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Exactly - not all Muslims are granted paraside! I think thats what Omrow thinks!
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christians are an exception to your general rule, DOND_#1_FAN - by far the majority of them say only God knows who gets to Heaven ... It ain't necessarily reserved for them!

The 3 religions; Christianity, Judaism and Islam are very similar and within a marriage contract Muslims are allowed to marry a Christian, a jew and obviously a Muslim.
What my point is (which is why I have mentioned the marriage concept) is that many people believe different religions are different paths to heaven and no-one really knows who is going to heaven - that includes Muslims - so Omrow